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Trump declassified and removed all reactions from the documents. Doesn’t look anything like what we were told.

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Trump authorizes declassification of all Russia collusion, Hillary Clinton email probe documents

President Trump on Tuesday said he has “full authorized the total declassification” of “any & all” documents related to the Russia investigation and the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.
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Gregg Jarrett: Declassification of Russia probe documents could prove Hillary Clinton committed felony

President Trump's announcement on Twitter Tuesday that he had fully authorized the declassification of all documents related to the Russia investigation is bad news for Hillary Clinton, Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett told "Hannity" Tuesday.
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Trump declassified and removed all reactions from the documents. Doesn’t look anything like what we were told.

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Trump authorizes declassification of all Russia collusion, Hillary Clinton email probe documents

President Trump on Tuesday said he has “full authorized the total declassification” of “any & all” documents related to the Russia investigation and the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.
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Gregg Jarrett: Declassification of Russia probe documents could prove Hillary Clinton committed felony

President Trump's announcement on Twitter Tuesday that he had fully authorized the declassification of all documents related to the Russia investigation is bad news for Hillary Clinton, Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett told "Hannity" Tuesday.
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He did this ages ago. You're being presented a "look over there" topic and you're falling for it like a dumb bitch because you're weak minded.
 
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Trump declassified and removed all reactions from the documents. Doesn’t look anything like what we were told.

www.foxnews.com

Trump authorizes declassification of all Russia collusion, Hillary Clinton email probe documents

President Trump on Tuesday said he has “full authorized the total declassification” of “any & all” documents related to the Russia investigation and the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.
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Gregg Jarrett: Declassification of Russia probe documents could prove Hillary Clinton committed felony

President Trump's announcement on Twitter Tuesday that he had fully authorized the declassification of all documents related to the Russia investigation is bad news for Hillary Clinton, Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett told "Hannity" Tuesday.
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So what's the meat on the bones here? Is the argument that because Hillary made a political decision to use oppo research against Trump, that it's a crime?

Jarrett said Clinton may have committed a felony in disseminating false information, depending on “how it [the information] was leaked and to whom.” ​
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Boosted87 said:
So what's the meat on the bones here? Is the argument that because Hillary made a political decision to use oppo research against Trump, that it's a crime?

Jarrett said Clinton may have committed a felony in disseminating false information, depending on “how it [the information] was leaked and to whom.” ​
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No, it’s that she approved a scheme to create a scandal wrapped around some invented Russia scandal in order to distract everyone from her own issues with mishandling classified information. Then, even though the Obama administration knew full well this was a political ploy, the DOJ and Administration ran with it as if it was real to the cost of 10’s of millions of dollars and a significant degradation in the public’s trust of many federal institutions. Not to mention the years of obstruction to the current administration’s ability to conduct the business of the executive branch of the government. Thats the meat here.
 
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Trump declassified and removed all reactions from the documents. Doesn’t look anything like what we were told.

www.foxnews.com

Trump authorizes declassification of all Russia collusion, Hillary Clinton email probe documents

President Trump on Tuesday said he has “full authorized the total declassification” of “any & all” documents related to the Russia investigation and the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.
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Gregg Jarrett: Declassification of Russia probe documents could prove Hillary Clinton committed felony

President Trump's announcement on Twitter Tuesday that he had fully authorized the declassification of all documents related to the Russia investigation is bad news for Hillary Clinton, Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett told "Hannity" Tuesday.
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This is all smoke and mirrors. I don’t believe any of it. Typical media bias and fake news. Trump is horrible and needs to go. You can’t show me anything to change that fact!!!
 
Crazyhole said:
Trump declassified and removed all reactions from the documents. Doesn’t look anything like what we were told.

www.foxnews.com

Trump authorizes declassification of all Russia collusion, Hillary Clinton email probe documents

President Trump on Tuesday said he has “full authorized the total declassification” of “any & all” documents related to the Russia investigation and the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

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Gregg Jarrett: Declassification of Russia probe documents could prove Hillary Clinton committed felony

President Trump's announcement on Twitter Tuesday that he had fully authorized the declassification of all documents related to the Russia investigation is bad news for Hillary Clinton, Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett told "Hannity" Tuesday.
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Oh and I may add. Biden is going to win. GOP will lose the senate
 
sk8knight said:
No, it’s that she approved a scheme to create a scandal wrapped around some invented Russia scandal in order to distract everyone from her own issues with mishandling classified information. Then, even though the Obama administration knew full well this was a political ploy, the DOJ and Administration ran with it as if it was real to the cost of 10’s of millions of dollars and a significant degradation in the public’s trust of many federal institutions. Not to mention the years of obstruction to the current administration’s ability to conduct the business of the executive branch of the government. Thats the meat here.
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That narrative seems like a dramatic stretch of the facts into partisan fantasy land though, doesn't it? There were questions related to Trump and Russia during the 2016 campaign. Hillary weaponizing that for political purposes as part of her campaign is hardly surprising.

Despite that, virtually non of the serious accusations came out until after the election. Did the Crossfire Hurricane investigation exist? Absolutely. But if the raw intent of that investigation by those involved was purely political, why didn't all the damaging information leak prior to the election? If the purpose was to distract for Hillary, they did a pretty crappy job on the "deep state" side.

The opposite happened. Comey felt pressure to drop the email/laptop bomb right before the election, because he was certain it would leak. So was that the corrupt deep state working to help Trump?

You see a narrative of corrupt actors trying to sabotage a campaign/president. I see life-long public officials operating in non-partisan positions trying to make sense of deeply troubling intelligence that strikes at the core of our National Security. Compare Obama's documented effort to de-politicize this by staying hands off, compared to Trump's personal involvement with Rudy/Ukraine/Biden. The contrasts are stark.
 
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You see a narrative of corrupt actors trying to sabotage a campaign/president. I see life-long public officials operating in non-partisan positions trying to make sense of deeply troubling intelligence that strikes at the core of our National Security. Compare Obama's documented effort to de-politicize this by staying hands off, compared to Trump's personal involvement with Rudy/Ukraine/Biden. The contrasts are stark.
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^^^^^^^Well said! 👍
 
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Trump declassified and removed all reactions from the documents. Doesn’t look anything like what we were told.

www.foxnews.com

Trump authorizes declassification of all Russia collusion, Hillary Clinton email probe documents

President Trump on Tuesday said he has “full authorized the total declassification” of “any & all” documents related to the Russia investigation and the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

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Gregg Jarrett: Declassification of Russia probe documents could prove Hillary Clinton committed felony

President Trump's announcement on Twitter Tuesday that he had fully authorized the declassification of all documents related to the Russia investigation is bad news for Hillary Clinton, Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett told "Hannity" Tuesday.
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At the time of his inauguration, Donald Trump, his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner and companies under their control owed Deutsche Bank a combined $659 million-$699 million according to a Forensic News analysis. The vast majority, if not all of this money was owed to DBTCA specifically:

Trump and Kushner alone appear to comprise about 1.6%-1.7% of DBTCA’s entire portfolio, which has total assets of $40 billion. Kushner’s mother also has a line of credit with Deutsche Bank, worth up to $25 million.

Two of the loans to Trump entities for the Doral resort in Florida mature in 2023, before a potential second-term would end. Trump still owes at least $55 million of those loans, with their due date approaching in 3 years. Those loans have come under previous media scrutiny, in large part due to their alleged management by Rosemary Vrablic, a private banker at DBTCA, and not Deutsche Bank’s commercial real estate division. Vrablic’s former boss at DBTCA, Tom Bowers, recently committed suicide in California.

Deutsche Bank pushed back on connections between scrutinized DBTCA loans and separate cash management services like it provided for Gazprombank. Both areas of banking, however, occured under DBTCA.

For me, this is more Important and was not included in Russian investigation...DBTCA is a Russian bank that is Russian Intelligence backed.
 
Boosted87 said:
That narrative seems like a dramatic stretch of the facts into partisan fantasy land though, doesn't it? There were questions related to Trump and Russia during the 2016 campaign. Hillary weaponizing that for political purposes as part of her campaign is hardly surprising.

Despite that, virtually non of the serious accusations came out until after the election. Did the Crossfire Hurricane investigation exist? Absolutely. But if the raw intent of that investigation by those involved was purely political, why didn't all the damaging information leak prior to the election? If the purpose was to distract for Hillary, they did a pretty crappy job on the "deep state" side.

The opposite happened. Comey felt pressure to drop the email/laptop bomb right before the election, because he was certain it would leak. So was that the corrupt deep state working to help Trump?

You see a narrative of corrupt actors trying to sabotage a campaign/president. I see life-long public officials operating in non-partisan positions trying to make sense of deeply troubling intelligence that strikes at the core of our National Security. Compare Obama's documented effort to de-politicize this by staying hands off, compared to Trump's personal involvement with Rudy/Ukraine/Biden. The contrasts are stark.
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Obama's "documented" approach at staying hands-off isn't reality. We've seen emails and/or notes that Obama knew quite well what was going on and but made sure to be heard saying "don't tell me." You'd have to be an idiot to think that there was an investigation ongoing into someone that Obama had such public acrimony for who was running for President on the platform of destroying Obama's legacy and President Obama would just let events happen willy-nilly when Obama was all about fundamentally changing America forever.

As for the rest, how many of these public officials have come out as media contributors or in books as starkly partisan Democrats? No, it's not far-fetched that they would not apply a normal level of skepticism into information provided regarding Trump and allow themselves to be stirred up into using their hammers to strike Trump's nail. They don't all have to be coordinated for this to be very real. It just takes a few people that know what levers to pull to make the rest happen. Hillary knows federal government better than just about anyone and would be quite capable of getting the snowball rolling. I'm guessing that even she is totally surprised at how far it rolled.
 
sk8knight said:
Obama's "documented" approach at staying hands-off isn't reality. We've seen emails and/or notes that Obama knew quite well what was going on and but made sure to be heard saying "don't tell me." You'd have to be an idiot to think that there was an investigation ongoing into someone that Obama had such public acrimony for who was running for President on the platform of destroying Obama's legacy and President Obama would just let events happen willy-nilly when Obama was all about fundamentally changing America forever.

As for the rest, how many of these public officials have come out as media contributors or in books as starkly partisan Democrats? No, it's not far-fetched that they would not apply a normal level of skepticism into information provided regarding Trump and allow themselves to be stirred up into using their hammers to strike Trump's nail. They don't all have to be coordinated for this to be very real. It just takes a few people that know what levers to pull to make the rest happen. Hillary knows federal government better than just about anyone and would be quite capable of getting the snowball rolling. I'm guessing that even she is totally surprised at how far it rolled.
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I'm not interested in sainting Obama, but you're making HUGE assumptions here. Which is ironic, since the key to your criticism is that DOJ/FBI officials were jumping to conclusions on Trump, and taking actions the evidence didn't justify. Yet you are doing exactly that by ascribing your assumptions of Obama's motive.

It's not unreasonable that Obama placed confidence in those who worked for him, realized the political fireball this would be, and stayed hands off. His direct involvement would have zero impact on findings anyway (assuming he doesn't corruptly use his power to force something for personal benefit), so an astute political actor (in a pre-Trump era of presidential expectations) would have stayed out.

Your narrative requires the actors involved to not receive the benefit of the doubt. In a politically explosive investigation, I'm going to give non-political individuals the benefit of the doubt because it's unwinnable. There is a 100% chance the side who stands to lose will claim it's all political. Look at Mueller. Universally praised and sainted going in, now another victim in the pile of Trump anointed villains.

Here's what really bothers me about this narrative. You and I have had decent conversations on here. I have no doubt in real life we'd could have civil conversations. If you and I were randomly selected to review a set of facts that had political consequences, I have little doubt that the two of us would do our best to put aside biases and draw conclusion based on the facts.

I see people like Comey, Strzok, McCabe, Mueller as MORE than capable of doing the same thing. In fact, it was literally their job to do that, serving apolitically through multiple administrations. But they are still American citizens with a right to have opinions on the direction of the country. Investigating political figures will ALWAYS have accusations of bias. It's unavoidable because that is the #1 defense that will be claimed by the target.

Is having someone that personally dislikes Trump investigating him a good thing? No really. But neither is having someone that personally likes him either. Strzok didn't like Hillary either per his texts, but he investigated her as well. But what really matters is if those people are capable of being objective. I think you and I could be objective despite our opinions. Why do you think people who rose to the top of politically neutral organizations like the FBI were acting in bad faith?
 
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I'm not interested in sainting Obama, but you're making HUGE assumptions here. Which is ironic, since the key to your criticism is that DOJ/FBI officials were jumping to conclusions on Trump, and taking actions the evidence didn't justify. Yet you are doing exactly that by ascribing your assumptions of Obama's motive.

It's not unreasonable that Obama placed confidence in those who worked for him, realized the political fireball this would be, and stayed hands off. His direct involvement would have zero impact on findings anyway (assuming he doesn't corruptly use his power to force something for personal benefit), so an astute political actor (in a pre-Trump era of presidential expectations) would have stayed out.

Your narrative requires the actors involved to not receive the benefit of the doubt. In a politically explosive investigation, I'm going to give non-political individuals the benefit of the doubt because it's unwinnable. There is a 100% chance the side who stands to lose will claim it's all political. Look at Mueller. Universally praised and sainted going in, now another victim in the pile of Trump anointed villains.

Here's what really bothers me about this narrative. You and I have had decent conversations on here. I have no doubt in real life we'd could have civil conversations. If you and I were randomly selected to review a set of facts that had political consequences, I have little doubt that the two of us would do our best to put aside biases and draw conclusion based on the facts.

I see people like Comey, Strzok, McCabe, Mueller as MORE than capable of doing the same thing. In fact, it was literally their job to do that, serving apolitically through multiple administrations. But they are still American citizens with a right to have opinions on the direction of the country. Investigating political figures will ALWAYS have accusations of bias. It's unavoidable because that is the #1 defense that will be claimed by the target.

Is having someone that personally dislikes Trump investigating him a good thing? No really. But neither is having someone that personally likes him either. Strzok didn't like Hillary either per his texts, but he investigated her as well. But what really matters is if those people are capable of being objective. I think you and I could be objective despite our opinions. Why do you think people who rose to the top of politically neutral organizations like the FBI were acting in bad faith?
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I'm a guy on a message board. I can make whatever jumps I want to make. The DoJ and FBI, on the other hand, have a duty to be a hell of a lot more diligent with their activities. You mentioned that you think that the figures around this investigation are more than capable of putting aside their politics for their job. I will propose to you that they work, eat, sleep, and breathe politics inside the Washington, DC bubble. None of them got to where they were in their organization without masterful manipulation of the levers of politics. DC and federal bureaucracies are simply not meritocracies. I think that we can all expect their politics to permeate their work depending upon the whims, real or imagined, of the people that keep them in their powerful positions.

I suspect that you know this happens, at least subconsciously, and it's one of the reasons why you doubt most of the federal institutions in the Trump era, even though they are staffed throughout with "lifetime" bureaucrats.

Here's another example. There were credible accusations that CENTCOM was filtering intel through political bias filters before presenting it up the chain to the President. These are lifelong military personnel in a non-partisan organization. Why would they agree to take information that would make the President look bad out of their reports? Obama wasn't that adept of a political operator; he was someone who was charismatic and worked in a town and with a media that was heavily biased in his favor. There have been breadcrumbs of this all along but no one outside of some obscure conservative authors have even wanted to investigate. In the end, this particular instance doesn't affect my life one way or the other. My worry is that there have been no penalties for those in the political class for escalating behavior for quite some time. Our tolerance of different standards for favored classes in politics and in media is creating a de facto ruling class. So many are afraid of Trump being some dictator when the exact thing that would allow it is being increasingly tolerated.

I have no issues disagreeing with people without passing judgement and that's why we've had good conversations. I wish all were so.
 
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Here's what really bothers me about this narrative. You and I have had decent conversations on here. I have no doubt in real life we'd could have civil conversations. If you and I were randomly selected to review a set of facts that had political consequences, I have little doubt that the two of us would do our best to put aside biases and draw conclusion based on the facts.
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No joke, as I read the first couple of interactions between you two this is exactly what I wanted to propose. Not to genuinely try and change hearts and minds but really for no other reason than I think you both are intellectually honest and try really hard to stay above the fray....something that's refreshing in here. As mentioned in the Daniel Schmachtenberger video I posted, I'm genuinely trying to be more intentional in understanding how people get to their conclusions.
 
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I'm a guy on a message board. I can make whatever jumps I want to make. The DoJ and FBI, on the other hand, have a duty to be a hell of a lot more diligent with their activities. You mentioned that you think that the figures around this investigation are more than capable of putting aside their politics for their job. I will propose to you that they work, eat, sleep, and breathe politics inside the Washington, DC bubble. None of them got to where they were in their organization without masterful manipulation of the levers of politics. DC and federal bureaucracies are simply not meritocracies. I think that we can all expect their politics to permeate their work depending upon the whims, real or imagined, of the people that keep them in their powerful positions.

I suspect that you know this happens, at least subconsciously, and it's one of the reasons why you doubt most of the federal institutions in the Trump era, even though they are staffed throughout with "lifetime" bureaucrats.

Here's another example. There were credible accusations that CENTCOM was filtering intel through political bias filters before presenting it up the chain to the President. These are lifelong military personnel in a non-partisan organization. Why would they agree to take information that would make the President look bad out of their reports? Obama wasn't that adept of a political operator; he was someone who was charismatic and worked in a town and with a media that was heavily biased in his favor. There have been breadcrumbs of this all along but no one outside of some obscure conservative authors have even wanted to investigate. In the end, this you areinstance doesn't affect my life one way or the other. is that there have been no penalties for those in the political class for escalating behavior for quite some time. Our tolerance of different standards for favored classes in politics and in media is creating a de facto ruling class. So many are afraid of Trump being some dictator when the exact thing that would allow it is being increasingly tolerated.

I have no issues disagreeing with people without passing judgement and that's why we've had good conversations. I wish all were so.
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While you are right on the old politics have to die. The only thing I see wrong is not enough information was gathered to present for a warrant. Obama could have opened Trumps' income Tax and found enough information to get a warrant. He did not exercise his power. Trump would have. Trump may have won a case against this warrant. But it would be equivalent of letting a killer go on technicalities.
 
As i have posted above. There is more than enough information linking Russian Intelligence to Trump's debts. Its something that bothers me deeply. Also, Russian Olgethorpes may have a hand in propping up stock markets. Sadly no one cares.
 
ElprofesorJuan said:
At the time of his inauguration, Donald Trump, his daughter Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner and companies under their control owed Deutsche Bank a combined $659 million-$699 million according to a Forensic News analysis. The vast majority, if not all of this money was owed to DBTCA specifically:

Trump and Kushner alone appear to comprise about 1.6%-1.7% of DBTCA’s entire portfolio, which has total assets of $40 billion. Kushner’s mother also has a line of credit with Deutsche Bank, worth up to $25 million.

Two of the loans to Trump entities for the Doral resort in Florida mature in 2023, before a potential second-term would end. Trump still owes at least $55 million of those loans, with their due date approaching in 3 years. Those loans have come under previous media scrutiny, in large part due to their alleged management by Rosemary Vrablic, a private banker at DBTCA, and not Deutsche Bank’s commercial real estate division. Vrablic’s former boss at DBTCA, Tom Bowers, recently committed suicide in California.

Deutsche Bank pushed back on connections between scrutinized DBTCA loans and separate cash management services like it provided for Gazprombank. Both areas of banking, however, occured under DBTCA.

For me, this is more Important and was not included in Russian investigation...DBTCA is a Russian bank that is Russian Intelligence backed.
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Deutsche bank is Russian? Might want to look at a map and find "Frankfurt Germany".
 
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Deutsche bank is Russian? Might want to look at a map and find "Frankfurt Germany".
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No look at the subsidiaries. In order to hide money, you use smaller banks. This is what Russian intelligence did. Read before commenting. Well if you care. It's up to u.
 
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Deutsche bank is Russian? Might want to look at a map and find "Frankfurt Germany".
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DBTCA is the subsidiary of Deutsche bank.This bank was also fined 150 million dollars for lending money to Epstein. Also, Kavanaugh was an Officer at Deutsche bank He is now Supreme Court Judge.He had a million-dollar line of credit. Too many coincidences.
 
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Deutche Bank isn't notorious for being a front for the Russian Government? Might want to look up this German bank's checkered history with Russia before making your next smartass comment.
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Lol. A multinational bank that does business with a world super power? Shocking! That certainly is proof that they aren't actually a German based bank.
 
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Deutsche bank is Russian? Might want to look at a map and find "Frankfurt Germany".
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You can say what you want. It's ok I just present evidence. I just want all informed.I encourage dialogue. If you tear my argument apart it's ok. Just present facts I promise I will hear all.
 
Crazyhole said:
Lol. A multinational bank that does business with a world super power? Shocking! That certainly is proof that they aren't actually a German based bank.
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As I mentioned in my previous post, you might want to check out the bank's history before poo-pooing their ties with the Russian Government.
 
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Lol. A multinational bank that does business with a world super power? Shocking! That certainly is proof that they aren't actually a German based bank.
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Follow the rabbit hole. It leads to how much money was sent to Deutsche Banks. You may also be surprised who worked for them...All information is on my Trump tax post...If u don't care it's fine as well. I also went after Obama after Fast and Furious. Many people were killed in my state in Mexico. Including a DEA Agent. Someone needs to pay for 800 lives lost in Mexico. All walked away with hands clean.
 
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He claims it is a Russian bank. Its not.
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Reread, it has smaller banks pumping money into it Yes I know its a German bank.Get past that point and follow the leads. Or don't if u are content. It's your choice we are in America.
 
ElprofesorJuan said:
Reread, it has smaller banks pumping money into it Yes I know its a German bank.Get past that point and follow the leads. Or don't if u are content. It's your choice we are in America.
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Let's quit obsessing over a German bank's innocent ties to Russia and get back to THE REAL STORY: How those damn Ukrainians meddled in our 2016 election!!!!!* :) :) :)
 
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