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Saturday Sporting Event: The Donald @ UCF Arena

Whether you like him or not it's good to see our university is recognized as place to visit and speak.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...blog-donald-trump-ucf-20160304-htmlstory.html

How many Big 12 schools are having political candidates visit?

No matter how much CNN tried to tell the Nation today that Kansas matters...all one has to do is see what voters from the small populated state elected in the last 2 primaries:

2008: Mike Huckabee (60%)

2012: Rick Santorum (51%)

Bill Clinton has been to UCF at least twice in the past...believe once speaking inside CFE Arena and one time outside.
 
It was a sh*t show. Trump performed way better than the basketball teams.
 
Lol how did you turn trump coming to UCF into a topic of big 12 expansion?

lol...big 12 expansion no but it certainly belongs in the entertainment section...I've been to plenty of political rallies but I haven't seen so many people thrown out of a rally since the 60's.....

as you would expect at the second largest university in America, plenty of "feel the Bern" supporters...as they disrupted, Donald simply said "get 'em out of here" and continued his speech hardly missing a beat...

yep, it was theme park level entertainment for free....
 
lol...big 12 expansion no but it certainly belongs in the entertainment section...I've been to plenty of political rallies but I haven't seen so many people thrown out of a rally since the 60's.....

as you would expect at the second largest university in America, plenty of "feel the Bern" supporters...as they disrupted, Donald simply said "get 'em out of here" and continued his speech hardly missing a beat...


yep, it was theme park level entertainment for free....

Yep...Libs are scared of Trump...Those in the GOP Establishment are scared of Trump...and life is good!
 
The Donald made a fool out of everybody attending the rally. Too bad it had to be at UCF. If you're voting for that idiot please don't expose yourself in public. The guy is a con artist feeding off people's stupidity. Makes you wish Mit Romney was running for president.
 
The Donald made a fool out of everybody attending the rally. Too bad it had to be at UCF. If you're voting for that idiot please don't expose yourself in public. The guy is a con artist feeding off people's stupidity. Makes you wish Mit Romney was running for president.

Scary choices this year...

1) Feel the socialist Bern. Wow, people are really voting for a freaking socialist?
2) Hillary should go to prison
3) Trump might get us into trade wars and overall his economic plan is lacking reality
 
The Donald made a fool out of everybody attending the rally. Too bad it had to be at UCF. If you're voting for that idiot please don't expose yourself in public. The guy is a con artist feeding off people's stupidity. Makes you wish Mit Romney was running for president.
Funny you should mention this. Almost all politicians are con artists. That's why we're 18 trillion dollars in debt and they don't even blink an eye when they pass budgets that spend like a trillion dollars more than the IRS brings in. We have three pathetic candidates at this point. None of them have a lot of positives for us. Thankfully, despite their intereference we have enough freedom to overcome the rules and obstacles they put in our way.
Hillary shouldn't even be allowed to run as her security clearance should have been suspended pending an investigation being completed...not started but run its full course. Without a clearance, and she requires every level of access (if required), you can't be President. I have worked in that world for nearly two decades and have seen how some of these situations went down. Upon an issue, security clearance was suspended until investigation was completed. Some were fired because they violated rules. I didn't know them outside of work so have no idea if charges were brought against them. They weren't bad people and weren't trying to do anything shady but the rules are the rules and they must be followed without question, and nobody should get to have a pass because they are in a certain position.
I agree if people want to talk about this the thread should be moved over to The Water Cooler. This is a sports forum afterall.
 
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The Donald made a fool out of everybody attending the rally. Too bad it had to be at UCF. If you're voting for that idiot please don't expose yourself in public. The guy is a con artist feeding off people's stupidity. Makes you wish Mit Romney was running for president.

1) He wants to listen to the people and speaks his mind

2) He wants to destroy ISIS

3) Wants to stop illegal immigration (drastically) which is a huge problem in this country in regards to dollars and crime

4) Wants to make America strong by conducting business affairs in the US. He will create jobs and heavily tax our companies that conduct business overseas and export those goods back to us.

A lot of the politicians and world leaders are scared of him. There was a time when America was feared and now we are a bunch of politically correct pussies getting pushed around by anyone and everyone

How do you think Trump got this far in the first place??? The American people are tired of the bullshit!!!
 
Yep...Libs are scared of Trump...Those in the GOP Establishment are scared of Trump...and life is good!

Yes., when they are scared of you, you're doing something right, because what we have now sucks! Status quo is
not cutting it. Nobody should be afraid to endorse Trump. Trust me.., it's not a dirty and dark little secret.
 
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The Donald made a fool out of everybody attending the rally. Too bad it had to be at UCF. If you're voting for that idiot please don't expose yourself in public. The guy is a con artist feeding off people's stupidity. Makes you wish Mit Romney was running for president.

You can make a fool out of yourself by telling us who YOU want. If you couldn't handle a guy who isn't politically correct talk, then that's your problem.
 
Speaking your mind does not make you right or qualified to be the leader of the free world, specially when nonsense spews out of your mouth. Look at his business record, it's full of failed ventures. Look it up. The guy knows real estate but that's about it. The thing that concerns me the most is how easily the average American citizen can be manipulated nowadays. That goes for everyone regardless of political affiliation. That being said I agree that this topic should go in the water cooler.
 
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Speaking your mind does not make you right or qualified to be the leader of the free world, specially when nonsense spews out of your mouth. If you look at his record running his ventures I don't know what makes him so appealing. The guy knows real estate but that's about it. The thing that concerns me the most is how easily the average American citizen can be manipulated nowadays. That goes for everyone regardless of political affiliation. That being said I agree that this topic should go in the water cooler.

That's fine. Who do you want to be president and when's the last time that we had someone in office that "qualifies?" BTW, what is the definition of "qualifying" to be a leader, because there is certainly a lot of leaders around the world that don't fit this mold. Obama certainly doesn't. Hilary "qualifies" as a liar and fraud. We need a strong leader.

Hey.., newsflash... maybe the "average" American citizen, the working class who are in the trenches keeping this country going, actually might know something. We have been ignoring the "average" American citizen for too long.

His views represent a lot of the American
people. That's the important part. He will have many people in his cabinet to run the country. No president had quite the control that you think. You can't just do anything that you want. It's quite the contrary actually.
 
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I'm not a politically motivated person, meaning I don't vote along party lines. I don't think that is the case with you given your last statement. I would be Ok with anyone winning sans Trump and Bern.
 
I'm not a politically motivated person, meaning I don't vote along party lines. I don't think that is the case with you given your last statement. I would be Ok with anyone winning sans Trump and Bern.
I am not a member of a particular party. I'm finding out more and more that average Americans aren't. They just want someone who thinks like one of them and understands them. It's funny how both a billionaire and the average American realize that we have become weak. More concerned about "hurting the feelings" of other countries, than taking care of our own.

Remember, a lot of these countries don't care if we even exist.
 
I don't disagree with you, however, guys like Trump play along people's fears and insecurities and use them to gain power. It's a con artist trick and it happens in poor countries with high proportions of uneducated people all the time. Trump could care less what the average American goes through on a daily basis. He's evicted, fired, and demeaned average Americans all his life. Look up his record. On that note, the world of international politics is a bit too complex for the average Joe.
 
I don't disagree with you, however, guys like Trump play along people's fears and insecurities and use them to gain power. It's a con artist trick and it happens in poor countries with high proportions of uneducated people all the time. Trump could care less what the average American goes through on a daily basis. He's evicted, fired, and demeaned average Americans all his life. Look up his record. On that note, the world of international politics is a bit too complex for the average Joe.

I knew you were going to bring up the evictions, etc.,

First of all, I wouldn't compare the mentality of the average American working class to say that of a 3rd world country.

Also, the fact that Trump doesn't care about what kind of day that the average American has isn't really the same as what's good for the country. What's good for the country is a much broader scale that eventually trickles down to Americans. Improving our safety, economy, jobs, etc., won't ever stop EVERY American from being able to pay their rent.

It's apples and oranges. Do you think any other politician truly cares about every single person's daily life and welfare? Trump was running a successful business. You wouldn't do the same if necessary?

If you do belive that, then you are the one being conned.
 
There is no substance in his rhetoric, zero, none. Can't even have an argument over it. Trust me, I guarantee it.
 
There is no substance in his rhetoric, zero, none. Can't even have an argument over it. Trust me, I guarantee it.

That's fine. Just remember. This is a democracy and the vote and say of the "Average Joe" matters. At least it should.
 
Like all the other leaders or potential leaders our society is responsible for creating them. I wont get into the obvious reasons why Donald is where he is whether we like him or not. I'm still not sure and I vote Republican at this point in my life. I've moved through three philosophies: Democrat, Independent and Republican and am leaning towards libertarian lately but they'll never win anything in this political environment.

Anyway, I tried to have a little fun with the Donald and mention the fact that UCF is a great environment and should be seriously considered for future expansion.

Frost is going to "Make Our Football Program Great Again!" Love all the talent he is approaching for 2017.
 
End of thread. It's this simple. Donald Trump is a horrible human being. If you vote for him, YOU are a horrible human being.

Thanks for the detailed rebuttal. So.., who do you like? I'm voting for him and I'm very far from being a horrible human being. YOU sir are acting like a pompous ass. Thank God I live in America and can post and vote as I choose [cheers] [laughing]
 
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I don't disagree with you, however, guys like OBAMA play along people's fears and insecurities and use them to gain power. It's a con artist trick and it happens in poor countries with high proportions of uneducated people all the time.

FIFY

Thanks for accurately describing the Obama campaigns of the past.
 
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LMAO Now it all makes sense. The stupid and ignorant people I've been talking to on here are Trump supporters!!! Enjoy the landslide loss in November
 
LMAO Now it all makes sense. The stupid and ignorant people I've been talking to on here are Trump supporters!!! Enjoy the landslide loss in November

Whatever you say Masterhilaryknight

Talking to??? No one wants you here or cares what you say or post, so you've been only talking to yourself
 
1) He wants to listen to the people and speaks his mind

2) He wants to destroy ISIS

3) Wants to stop illegal immigration (drastically) which is a huge problem in this country in regards to dollars and crime

4) Wants to make America strong by conducting business affairs in the US. He will create jobs and heavily tax our companies that conduct business overseas and export those goods back to us.

A lot of the politicians and world leaders are scared of him. There was a time when America was feared and now we are a bunch of politically correct pussies getting pushed around by anyone and everyone

How do you think Trump got this far in the first place??? The American people are tired of the bullshit!!!
WWIII coming if Trump gets in. I thought you were level headed Mike? :)
 
WWIII coming if Trump gets in. I thought you were level headed Mike? :)

I'm very level headed. So are millions of other Americans. Who do you want?
Hilary?? Will she even survive the E-mail scandal??

P.S. WWIII has been going on. ISIS, North Korea, etc. Where have you been??? What has the current administration's ideology, which will be continued under Hilary done to stop this???

Nothing!!!!!!!

These countries already hate us. Can't you see this??
 
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1) He wants to listen to the people and speaks his mind

2) He wants to destroy ISIS

3) Wants to stop illegal immigration (drastically) which is a huge problem in this country in regards to dollars and crime

4) Wants to make America strong by conducting business affairs in the US. He will create jobs and heavily tax our companies that conduct business overseas and export those goods back to us.

A lot of the politicians and world leaders are scared of him. There was a time when America was feared and now we are a bunch of politically correct pussies getting pushed around by anyone and everyone

How do you think Trump got this far in the first place??? The American people are tired of the bullshit!!!
This is exactly the problem. Ideas sound good until you realize the repercussions of your actions.

1) As with all politicians, you say (and often do) what will give you the most votes, regardless of what problems it will cause. For example, Obamacare has done nothing to stifle health care costs. In fact, I believe it has made things worse as the best doctors are moving away from accepting insurance at all.

2) Who doesn't want to destroy ISIS? But, how do you destroy ISIS without pissing off other countries/tribes/groups and creating new problems/terrorist groups/etc. Ground troops is an occupation and will make more enemies and could actually strengthen ISIS. Not only that, but this gang (which is all they are) has cells in pretty much every major country. We can't even control the smaller gangs in our own country which are causing more crime/deaths/insecurities than any terrorist organization ever has in our country.

3) How do you stop illegals when a major problem is when working visas come over to work in towns that rely on them heavily and then those workers skip town? Block working visas? Prices on food will double. Numerous towns throughout Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Nevada rely heavily on the cheap labor they bring in. To cut them off will destroy millions of livelihoods. If you just cut off services to the illegals, crime will skyrocket as illegals will need to find a way to support their families.

4) Do people realize that "conducting business affairs in the US" will cause consumer goods to skyrocket in price? Inflation will go through the roof and ultimately destroy an already unstable economy. Imports will get taxed which companies will just pass on to the consumer. Homemade goods will cost more because of higher wage requirements. Then these goods also reduce our exports because they will cost more to buy overseas plus other countries will tax our exports more since we are taxing theirs more.

Things may sound like great ideas, but are not as simple as people think... which is why Trump loves the poorly educated.
 
The Donald made a fool out of everybody attending the rally. Too bad it had to be at UCF. If you're voting for that idiot please don't expose yourself in public. The guy is a con artist feeding off people's stupidity. Makes you wish Mit Romney was running for president.
Terrible post. Romney. LMAO.[laughing]:joy:
 
1) He wants to listen to the people and speaks his mind

2) He wants to destroy ISIS

3) Wants to stop illegal immigration (drastically) which is a huge problem in this country in regards to dollars and crime

4) Wants to make America strong by conducting business affairs in the US. He will create jobs and heavily tax our companies that conduct business overseas and export those goods back to us.

A lot of the politicians and world leaders are scared of him. There was a time when America was feared and now we are a bunch of politically correct pussies getting pushed around by anyone and everyone

How do you think Trump got this far in the first place??? The American people are tired of the bullshit!!!

Yep! He's the only one addressing the issues. I'm glad that I took the Trump pledge. :raised_hands:
 
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This is exactly the problem. Ideas sound good until you realize the repercussions of your actions.

1) As with all politicians, you say (and often do) what will give you the most votes, regardless of what problems it will cause. For example, Obamacare has done nothing to stifle health care costs. In fact, I believe it has made things worse as the best doctors are moving away from accepting insurance at all.

2) Who doesn't want to destroy ISIS? But, how do you destroy ISIS without pissing off other countries/tribes/groups and creating new problems/terrorist groups/etc. Ground troops is an occupation and will make more enemies and could actually strengthen ISIS. Not only that, but this gang (which is all they are) has cells in pretty much every major country. We can't even control the smaller gangs in our own country which are causing more crime/deaths/insecurities than any terrorist organization ever has in our country.

3) How do you stop illegals when a major problem is when working visas come over to work in towns that rely on them heavily and then those workers skip town? Block working visas? Prices on food will double. Numerous towns throughout Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Nevada rely heavily on the cheap labor they bring in. To cut them off will destroy millions of livelihoods. If you just cut off services to the illegals, crime will skyrocket as illegals will need to find a way to support their families.

4) Do people realize that "conducting business affairs in the US" will cause consumer goods to skyrocket in price? Inflation will go through the roof and ultimately destroy an already unstable economy. Imports will get taxed which companies will just pass on to the consumer. Homemade goods will cost more because of higher wage requirements. Then these goods also reduce our exports because they will cost more to buy overseas plus other countries will tax our exports more since we are taxing theirs more.

Things may sound like great ideas, but are not as simple as people think... which is why Trump loves the poorly educated.

First of all. Number 1 and number 2 were caused by the past and present administrations. As far as ground troops in the Middle East, it's already been proposed by the generals in charge of fighting ISIS that we can't win with just air power, but this administration keeps delaying making decisions and taking baby steps as ISIS grows and spreads. Trump wants to end this in an all out bombing campaign and put a fear
back in these "savages".

On number 3. Unless you have all the financial facts, you can't make such a statement. The cost of supporting these illegals far outweighs the cost saved by paying their salaries. Do you realize that they aren't exactly working for free? They are taking jobs from Americans, not paying taxes, and clogging up the healthcare system in ERs, clinics, etc, further destroying MY and YOUR healthcare system. Not to mention the cost of fighting their crimes.
Who cares about their livelihoods? That's their own country's problem. Let them work there or another country if it's so desirable for a country to employ them.

Do you realize how many millionaires are saving money using thousands upon thousands of illegals to maintain their estates? What services are they actually performing and for who?? I never worked for a business that needed them nor have I ever employed them. I'm fine with a "legal working visa". It's the "illegals" that are destroying this country.

The pros vs cons of illegal immigration has already been studied and discussed in great detail by those who know a lot more than me and you.

4) There are plenty of legitimate businesses that are doing just fine utilizing emplyees right here in the US
Obviously, Michael Jordan needs illegals to make his shoes and Kathy Lee Gifford needs them for her clothing line.

"Then these goods also reduce our exports because they will cost more to buy overseas plus other countries will tax our exports more since we are taxing theirs more".

No... We are taxing exports from our own country conducting business outside of the US. Not other countries.

Do you realize once again, that it's already been studied for years that a country"s economic situation is better when they produce goods in their own countries and the consumer buys them?

It adds jobs and strengthens this country's economy and stimulates spending, etc., once again, saving this country many millions of dollars trying to support the unemployed.

Again, I'm sure all of my facts aren't 100% correct, that's why we can leave that up to a billionaire like Trump. Why not have a businessman type as president for once since what we have had hasn't exactly done wonders for the national debt?
 
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This is exactly the problem. Ideas sound good until you realize the repercussions of your actions.

1) As with all politicians, you say (and often do) what will give you the most votes, regardless of what problems it will cause. For example, Obamacare has done nothing to stifle health care costs. In fact, I believe it has made things worse as the best doctors are moving away from accepting insurance at all.

2) Who doesn't want to destroy ISIS? But, how do you destroy ISIS without pissing off other countries/tribes/groups and creating new problems/terrorist groups/etc. Ground troops is an occupation and will make more enemies and could actually strengthen ISIS. Not only that, but this gang (which is all they are) has cells in pretty much every major country. We can't even control the smaller gangs in our own country which are causing more crime/deaths/insecurities than any terrorist organization ever has in our country.

3) How do you stop illegals when a major problem is when working visas come over to work in towns that rely on them heavily and then those workers skip town? Block working visas? Prices on food will double. Numerous towns throughout Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and Nevada rely heavily on the cheap labor they bring in. To cut them off will destroy millions of livelihoods. If you just cut off services to the illegals, crime will skyrocket as illegals will need to find a way to support their families.

4) Do people realize that "conducting business affairs in the US" will cause consumer goods to skyrocket in price? Inflation will go through the roof and ultimately destroy an already unstable economy. Imports will get taxed which companies will just pass on to the consumer. Homemade goods will cost more because of higher wage requirements. Then these goods also reduce our exports because they will cost more to buy overseas plus other countries will tax our exports more since we are taxing theirs more.

Things may sound like great ideas, but are not as simple as people think... which is why Trump loves the poorly educated.

I agree that things don't always sound like great ideas, but that's politics. Who's better and who has better ideas?? Trump has some good sounding ideas to this educated American.

By the way, like it or not the votes of the "poorly educated" count in America which is a democracy last I checked. If we want only the upper class to vote, well we need to move to another country.
 
Yep! He's the only one addressing the issues. I glad that I took the Trump pledge. :raised_hands:

If you listen to Mike Bianchi, our soccer coach said that the people are tired of politicians who don't listen to their needs

Hurrah for democracy!!!!!
 
If you listen to Mike Bianchi, our soccer coach said that the people are tired of politicians who don't listen to their needs

Hurrah for democracy!!!!!
Exactly my point to #1. If politicians fulfilled peoples "needs"... which is actually their "wants"... which is greed... then we are headed for a socialistic government. Trump is telling everyone he will fill their needs to get elected... just like every politician before him... and then he will do what is best for himself and his fellow billionaires.
 
I agree that things don't always sound like great ideas, but that's politics. Who's better and who has better ideas?? Trump has some good sounding ideas to this educated American.

By the way, like it or not the votes of the "poorly educated" count in America which is a democracy last I checked. If we want only the upper class to vote, well we need to move to another country.
There are numerous studies and models that show what would likely happen if said things are executed. I'm not saying anything is right or wrong about what Trump has proposed, I just know it is more ear candy than reality. Things can work, but will cause things to get worse before they get better. And whether people will wait that long is highly doubtful. Once things get worse, the ideas get thrown away and more change happens... and more spending... and more loopholes... and more problems.

And it is the poorly educated that cause the biggest problems. I tell you what... elect me and nobody will ever have to work again and get free food, housing, and healthcare.... oh yeah, and free education for the poorly educated.
 
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