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Simone Biles: Quitter or Mental Health Hero?

I’m feeling ya Twelfth but her peers are lauding her choice.

I think the difference is that these people know what she has been through and understand where she is coming from. A lot of the people being critical of her are loafy dudes who wouldn't be able to match her accomplishments if they had 5 lifetimes, but somehow feel like THEY know what it takes to be at her level.
 
I think the difference is that these people know what she has been through and understand where she is coming from. A lot of the people being critical of her are loafy dudes who wouldn't be able to match her accomplishments if they had 5 lifetimes, but somehow feel like THEY know what it takes to be at her level.
Dudes that once played High school football on a crappy team but think they know what it takes to have mental toughness....
 
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You gotta love it: Some fatass sitting in his recliner has the gall to blast the mental toughness of the greatest gymnast of all time. :rolleyes:

Tell me, how mentally tough was this rape victim last Olympics?
Everyone here is having a nice conversation except you.
 
I think the difference is that these people know what she has been through and understand where she is coming from. A lot of the people being critical of her are loafy dudes who wouldn't be able to match her accomplishments if they had 5 lifetimes, but somehow feel like THEY know what it takes to be at her level.
Nobody is comparing themselves to Biles. But she’s brought the comparisons to the best athletes in history on herself with the GOAT talk.

She’s clearly an athlete numerous tiers above myself. Nobody can cite anywhere I’ve said otherwise.

I also don’t know first hand what kind of pressure she’s under. But I have seen elite athletes face what at least appears to be more difficult circumstances than this (from the outside, anyway) and put on amazing performances.

I’ve rarely seen them back down. That’s what’s so unique about this situation.

You’re right, I don’t have the first clue what it takes to reach her level. But I have given up on things and stopped trying. I know what comes from that.
 
Nobody is comparing themselves to Biles. But she’s brought the comparisons to the best athletes in history on herself with the GOAT talk.

She’s clearly an athlete numerous tiers above myself. Nobody can cite anywhere I’ve said otherwise.

I also don’t know first hand what kind of pressure she’s under. But I have seen elite athletes face what at least appears to be more difficult circumstances than this (from the outside, anyway) and put on amazing performances.

I’ve rarely seen them back down. That’s what’s so unique about this situation.

You’re right, I don’t have the first clue what it takes to reach her level. But I have given up on things and stopped trying. I know what comes from that.

Her sport isn't like most sports. If a basketball player has a bad night they end up with a poor shooting performance, a QB might have a low completion percentage, a golfer might miss more fairways than usual etc etc. A gymnast has a bad night and they could cause serious and even permanent injury.
 
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Nobody is comparing themselves to Biles. But she’s brought the comparisons to the best athletes in history on herself with the GOAT talk.

She’s clearly an athlete numerous tiers above myself. Nobody can cite anywhere I’ve said otherwise.

I also don’t know first hand what kind of pressure she’s under. But I have seen elite athletes face what at least appears to be more difficult circumstances than this (from the outside, anyway) and put on amazing performances.

I’ve rarely seen them back down. That’s what’s so unique about this situation.

You’re right, I don’t have the first clue what it takes to reach her level. But I have given up on things and stopped trying. I know what comes from that.
I was a USOC elite athlete in the 90's competing world-wide in a similar, though somewhat less dangerous, sport that was also profiled in the book "Little Girls in Pretty Boxes." (thank god for sponsors because we were poor as dirt through most of it and I couldn't have done it without them). I also coached athletes at all levels for more than a decade. So I have a bit more insight into this than most.

These sports are both physical and extremely technique-related. Most of what you're doing is muscle memory, instinct, and reflex. Most of the time when you're in the air rotating (in my case for triple jumps), you're in the zone, it's super easy, and you have all the time in the world to make adjustments to the point where you'll never miss. Then there's those other times, when the jumps are moving quickly and you're just off. Even in my sport that can get painful and even more so when we're doing pairs. You arrange the entire year to ensure that you're at your peak when you need to be, meaning the entire year is built up to 5 or 10 minutes of performance that have to be perfect (although Ms Biles is so much better than everyone else she didn't have to be perfectly perfect).

I've had experiences where I couldn't hit a jump in the warmup to save my life and then gone out and skated clean to win. It's a confidence thing and I'm sure she's had this experience in the past. I can't think that there's any way that you go years without losing without having a time where you've had that happen. So part of me thinks that she could've figured it out and she's running the risk of always regretting not making that effort. But it was her choice.

Most skaters careers end when they go to college (although the very best make careers out of it). They may try to keep going but the world opens up to them and they get distracted by a ton of outside things. Also, the grind of keeping yourself at the top of your game for years tends to wear on you and eventually you give up. A couple of the recent Olympic pairs hopefuls were like nieces to me growing up and the older one was in line for the Olympics when she retired because she just couldn't do it anymore. She was in one of the old school systems where they weighed them daily and then she lived skating. But she wanted a life and she couldn't be successful in skating without being fully immersed in it.

In my most candid opinion, I think the terrible things that she went through and the world that couldn't wait until she was done to put her into hero roles for which she was not ready did her a great disservice. With the little I've seen from her but what I've seen with other athletes, I think she needed to get back to that place where life was gymnastics and nothing else. From what I've read of the articles up to the Olympics and her comments since, that didn't happen. Which is a shame because the Olympics are everything to the athletes in Olympic sports (and I really do mean that they consume your thoughts, actions, and dreams for more than a decade) and you only get so many shots at it (if at all). It really wasn't fair of the world (as seen in the Yahoo Sports article) to place the mantles on her that they did. Let her be a gymnast until she can't anymore, then she can be your social champion.
 
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I don't see a problem with what she did:
1. she didn't wake up and say "I can't do it". Even if she was not "feeling it", she tried to do 1 vault and did poorly. The way I see it, Simone decided she was a liability for the team because she couldn't perform and gave team a chance to go for silver. She could have tried to do the other 3 apparatus and doomed the team.
2. She withdrew and allowed the alternate to compete. That alternate won the gold medal.
3. Simone may try to compete on the individual events where she doesn't hurt anybody but herself.

Think about the UCF-ND game in Ireland: Dinovo kept going out there even though he sucked. I know it was GOl's decision but think what could have happened if after the first series Dinovo had said " coach send Holman out there in my place"
 
I don't see a problem with what she did:
1. she didn't wake up and say "I can't do it". Even if she was not "feeling it", she tried to do 1 vault and did poorly. The way I see it, Simone decided she was a liability for the team because she couldn't perform and gave team a chance to go for silver. She could have tried to do the other 3 apparatus and doomed the team.
2. She withdrew and allowed the alternate to compete. That alternate won the gold medal.
3. Simone may try to compete on the individual events where she doesn't hurt anybody but herself.

Think about the UCF-ND game in Ireland: Dinovo kept going out there even though he sucked. I know it was GOl's decision but think what could have happened if after the first series Dinovo had said " coach send Holman out there in my place"

I could have gone the rest of my life without a reminder of how fuking bad Pete DiNothrow was in that game. The fact that GOL and the rest of his staff looked at Pete and Justin and thought the former was the starter is absolutely beyond me.
 
I’m feeling ya Twelfth but her peers are lauding her choice.

Lost in the threads was where I said I was ok with her decision (like it's my place to make that judgement!) She and her peers are saying it was the right decision and they are tremendously more qualified than I. People pull out of events all the time. It takes an alignment of certain physical and mental states to surpass the rest of the world on any given day. This apparently happened with Suni Lee, so she is the champion today.
 
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I could have gone the rest of my life without a reminder of how fuking bad Pete DiNothrow was in that game. The fact that GOL and the rest of his staff looked at Pete and Justin and thought the former was the starter is absolutely beyond me.
I was at a number of practices leading up to that game and Holman couldn’t hit the side of a barn. I don’t think it was as much DiNovo being a starter as Holman being so bad in practice that the coaches had to make a really tough choice. Which ended up being the wrong choice.
 
I was at a number of practices leading up to that game and Holman couldn’t hit the side of a barn. I don’t think it was as much DiNovo being a starter as Holman being so bad in practice that the coaches had to make a really tough choice. Which ended up being the wrong choice.
I saw some of those practices as well. And you are correct; however, I never thought that GOL and co. utilized his proper skill set. The vast majority of the plays he ran were infinitely more difficult than those for Pete. There never was a throw in practice that Pete had to make that was over 15 yds. So, naturally, he looked better.

But as we saw, that kid urinated all over himself in about 10 seconds and clearly couldn’t hack it. And it cost us bigly against Pedo St. when we probably should have won that game comfortably.
 
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I saw some of those practices as well. And you are correct; however, I never thought that GOL and co. utilized his proper skill set. The vast majority of the plays he ran were infinitely more difficult than those for Pete. There never was a throw in practice that Pete had to make that was over 15 yds. So, naturally, he looked better.

But as we saw, that kid urinated all over himself in about 10 seconds and clearly couldn’t hack it. And it cost us bigly against Pedo St. when we probably should have won that game comfortably.
Sure, but Holman was throwing rockets on quick slant routes 5 yards downfield. The kid had no touch that year at all. He was obviously more talented but he could not complete a pass, even in shells.
 
Sure, but Holman was throwing rockets on quick slant routes 5 yards downfield. The kid had no touch that year at all. He was obviously more talented but he could not complete a pass, even in shells.
Eh, I think that’s a bit much. No doubt he had a rocket arm but we still won the conference that year with him under center. It was extremely telling that they NEVER went back to Pete and his career ended in 2 football series.
 
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Eh, I think that’s a bit much. No doubt he had a rocket arm but we still won the conference that year with him under center. It was extremely telling that they NEVER went back to Pete and his career ended in 2 football series.
Yeah. Petey was really bad.
 
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Eh, I think that’s a bit much. No doubt he had a rocket arm but we still won the conference that year with him under center. It was extremely telling that they NEVER went back to Pete and his career ended in 2 football series.
Yeah. Petey was really bad.
I was shocked when the announcement was made to start Dinovo. It was like yesterday for me. One of the worst moves GOL ever made and it sort of ruined my Ireland trip. Holman played in 2013. He should have been given the starting job. What the hell is “fieldmanship” anyway?” Never heard that term before or since
 
I was shocked when the announcement was made to start Dinovo. It was like yesterday for me. One of the worst moves GOL ever made and it sort of ruined my Ireland trip. Holman played in 2013. He should have been given the starting job. What the hell is “fieldmanship” anyway?” Never heard that term before or since
Fieldmanship is an O’Leary-ism for getting the guys to the line with the right play and getting the ball snapped within the 25 or 40 seconds without a false start.
 
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