Star Wars (spoilers, obviously)
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Saw it today and really liked it. 2 hours of reliving my youth was great.
I have no problem with suspending reality during a movie. Honestly, I don't care if everything is explained to me all at once. I can live with " that's the way it is " as an explanation.
If we could've gotten a shower/bath scene with Rey, it would've put this over the top.
I have no problem with suspending reality during a movie. Honestly, I don't care if everything is explained to me all at once. I can live with " that's the way it is " as an explanation.
If we could've gotten a shower/bath scene with Rey, it would've put this over the top.
When they said that the Starkiller base destroyed the Republic capitol....I'm assuming that is Coruscant.
That's a huge loss of life...over 1 trillion; or has the Republic capitol moved since the empire dissolved?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant
That's a huge loss of life...over 1 trillion; or has the Republic capitol moved since the empire dissolved?
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant
It was clearly stated in the movie that it was the Hosnian system, so not Coruscant
Kylo is Being trained by Darth Vader..
When he killed his daddy, you hear, you can now start your training, and that voice is J. Earl Jones.
Also Rey is a Skywalker, whether Luke's Daughter, or Han's that he hadn't seen in years.. Why
The movie was good, but It had some ??
I disliked the Missiles, I liked the lasers better..
Also the main weapon destroying a complete system is a bit much, and it was way too like Ep. 4.
Seemed like they felt like copy and pasting a semi script..
Also I wish they did not finish the map in this episode, left that as a what the for the next movie..
Also it just needed more depth, it could have been another 15-25 min, and more depth, even though those with short attention spans may have not liked it, but we needed much better intro's to some of the new characters..
Also how Kylo was so powerful, yet weak vs Rey, was so bad..
She definitely needed some training of some sort..
As Lucas said he did not like it, but the fans would..
I agree, it has a lot of nice things for both those that saw the original 3, but I think it caters somewhat nicely to those in the moronic generation!
"Moronic Generation"- Actual people that take selfies! Know more about the Kardashians then they do American History. Know Justin Bieber & Taylor Swift, have no Idea who the Vice President is..
When he killed his daddy, you hear, you can now start your training, and that voice is J. Earl Jones.
Also Rey is a Skywalker, whether Luke's Daughter, or Han's that he hadn't seen in years.. Why
The movie was good, but It had some ??
I disliked the Missiles, I liked the lasers better..
Also the main weapon destroying a complete system is a bit much, and it was way too like Ep. 4.
Seemed like they felt like copy and pasting a semi script..
Also I wish they did not finish the map in this episode, left that as a what the for the next movie..
Also it just needed more depth, it could have been another 15-25 min, and more depth, even though those with short attention spans may have not liked it, but we needed much better intro's to some of the new characters..
Also how Kylo was so powerful, yet weak vs Rey, was so bad..
She definitely needed some training of some sort..
As Lucas said he did not like it, but the fans would..
I agree, it has a lot of nice things for both those that saw the original 3, but I think it caters somewhat nicely to those in the moronic generation!
"Moronic Generation"- Actual people that take selfies! Know more about the Kardashians then they do American History. Know Justin Bieber & Taylor Swift, have no Idea who the Vice President is..
That's the thing, they were NEVER considered canon. Only fans of the books considered them their own canon. I started reading those when they came out years ago, but after Lucas himself said they are not canon, I lost interest. Lucas wouldn't have followed the books either. He said his treatments for 7-9 weren't related to the books.
Darth Vader is dead and redeemed. You must've have been on something watching this. That voice is Snoke. In fact I have a theory that the calling to the light Kylo is experiencing has been Anakin/Darth Vader, the whole time. Yet, Kylo thinks Vader will help him go to the dark side. Nobody but Luke know he turned good.
I took Starkiller as a homage to Lucas, since that was originally Luke's last name and it was changed in pre-production.
I've seen the film three times now. My feelings really haven't changed.
As for the above, there is may too much indefensible Mary Sue in this film. Hmmm, the lightsaber "speaks" to her, but not to Luke, who is directly related to the most powerful Jedi ever. There are countless other examples. Her ability to fight hand to hand better than a soldier created solely to fulfill a military fighting function is another. I don't mind the anachronistic inclusion of 21st Century feminist themes, just don't force it like the argument about Finn grabbing her hand, especially when it doesnt make any sense. He is basically a clone. He doesnt have the patriarchal instinct of a male seeking reproduction.
And yes, I agree times have changed and opened up new markets. Episodes IV and V worked because the came along in a post-Vietnam era and they conjured up images of forces of good triumphing over a military force with strong parallels to Nazi Germany. America needed that at the time. It was one of the biggest reasons for its popularity. In this film, the opening scene with the Chinook helicopter inspired troop insertion, flame throwers in the village, and other images might as well announce that if the Empire was based on Nazi Germany, the First Order is based on post Clinton US foreign policy. I can turn on MSNBC for free to watch similar editorials. As for the Star Wars universe becoming more diverse, the bad guys all looked white and had English accents. The idiots on the Internet saying that the film is anti-white are morons. But if you are going to insert characters for diversity (and therefore increased profits) alone, as the post above suggests, do it on both sides.
Once the high of having new material to enjoy has subsided, (or should I say old material presented to a new audience in a new format) NerdNation will start to see that the film as unoriginal in parts, boring in others, and designed to open up markets (toys and merchandising, not just racial demographics) rather than extend the story. It is already starting to happen amongst science fiction film critics and others.
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A good friend of mine read through the novelization and developed a list of some solid revelations from the book that answer a load of questions the movie doesn't really answer well, but beware this list is a bit long:
- Lor San Tekka (Max Von Sydow's character in the opening scene on Jakku) is a "great solider of fortune". Tekka dismisses Poe with the knowledge that Tekka will soon be dead. Tekka's dialog with Ren is a genuine attempt to bring Ren back to light.
- Ren is more philosophical, abstract, and eloquent than his dialog in the movie indicates. His subsequent dialogs show an incredible amount of conceit / narcissism.
- Finn tries to play off his not-shooting the villagers as a blaster jam.
- When Rey rescues BB-8, it's driven by the Teedo insulting her with vulgarity, as well as being the right thing to do.
- When Rey tells BB-8 that she's waiting for her family to come back, she does so through masked tears.
- Rey actually counters Plutt's offer of 60 portions with 100 portions. Plutt agrees, and Rey ACCEPTS the 100 portions, before having a crisis of conscience that rejects Plutt's offer.
- Hux is worried that Finn's treason suggests that others in the ranks might harbor the same sentiment.
- While this is explicitly mentioned in the movie, concurrent dialog masks it: Rey mentions that she's flown lots of ships in the past, which is why she was able to fly the Falcon. In the book, she indicates shortly after this that at night, she'd poke around all the ships parked at the outpost to learn about them.
- When Ren learns that "a girl" helped BB-8 escape, it seems like he's afraid that the girl might be someone he knows. This tone is echoed later as well.
- Leia (and 3PO) has been keeping tabs on Poe and BB-8 the whole time. They knew about the destroyed X-Wing, but found no evidence of BB-8 wreckage. 3PO conceived of instructing Resistance-friendly droids to alert them on seeing BB-8. Hence the droid in Maz' cantina that signals the Resistance.
- Leia sends a delegate to the Hosnian system to emplore the Senate to take action against the First Order. This is the woman on the balcony in the movie who sees the sky turning orange right before her planet is destroyed.
- Snoke's philosophical motivation is essentially ancient Greek Stoicism - rejecting subjectivity and emotions in favor of logic and tangible, real things. Snoke blames the fall of the Empire on Vader having a failure of character - sentiment.
- Poe wakes up in the desert, and has a fun scene getting a lift to a nearby town, displaying further prowess as a tactician and pilot.
- When Rey first lands outside Maz' cantina, she's stunned by the smell of the planet. Han explains that she's never smelled so much oxygen before.
- Plutt tracked the Falcon to Maz' cantina, and arrives to take it back from Rey. He gets rough with her and she tries to shoot him with her new blaster. Plutt yanks the blaster out of her hands, and condescendingly explains that she needed to take the safety off. At this point, Chewie shows up and yanks the blaster out of Plutt's hands, and subsequently yanks Plutt's arm off.
- During Rey's vision, there's a boy at the end of the hallway (it's not clear if this is the Cloud City hallway, or some other hallway). When she hears a voice, it's known to her (it's not clear if the voice is Luke, Ben, Yoda, Ren, or what...).
- When Rey and Ren meet in the forest, their dialog is more philosophical. He essentially argues that her desire to kill him is out of ignorance, which is simply remedied. He has some ethical banter with her, and then seems to recognize who she is, but can't place it.
- BB-8 tracks the ships direction after they leave the atmosphere. Perhaps this is how Finn is positive where Ren took Rey.
- Maz survives the whole conflict, and tells Finn that she seems something different in his eyes now - the eyes of a warrior.
- During Han & Leia's dialog about Ren, Leia indicates that she'd known that Snoke posed a threat to their son since he was born. This indicates that Snoke has been around for a while, and is well-known to the Resistance. Further, she takes more of the blame for Ren than in the movie, because she kept this information from Han. She ultimately was afraid that Han wouldn't have the patience and understanding to handle it right.
- When Ren is interrogating Rey, he unlocks her bindings with a force gesture, and locks them back as he leaves.
- When Ren is trying to read Rey's mind, he encounters a barrier. The way this is written doesn't indicate that the barrier IS Rey - its ambiguity might imply that the barrier was placed there by some other means. It's also stated more explicitly that SHE got into Ren's mind, and had acquired knowledge from him.
- Snoke is terrified that Skywalker will return to the Resistance to challenge their power.
- Rey and Finn take a dangerous snowspeeder ride to a spot to unlock the doors that Han & Chewie go through before mining the columns of Starkiller Base.
- When Chewie and Han split up, they share a lingering "good luck" look that is heavy with foreshadowing.
- After Ren kills Han, he's stunned by his own action, and that the act didn't make him stronger.
- When Ren duels with Rey, he finally recognizes her (it's not clear what this means, but it's clear that he recognizes her). During the fight, her rage and fury are referred to several times. When Ren is on the ground, a vengeful voice in her head tells her to kill him. She recoils from this voice, and explicitly from the dark side.
- The stairs on the island where Rey finds Luke had been worn through thousands of years of use.
- Lor San Tekka (Max Von Sydow's character in the opening scene on Jakku) is a "great solider of fortune". Tekka dismisses Poe with the knowledge that Tekka will soon be dead. Tekka's dialog with Ren is a genuine attempt to bring Ren back to light.
- Ren is more philosophical, abstract, and eloquent than his dialog in the movie indicates. His subsequent dialogs show an incredible amount of conceit / narcissism.
- Finn tries to play off his not-shooting the villagers as a blaster jam.
- When Rey rescues BB-8, it's driven by the Teedo insulting her with vulgarity, as well as being the right thing to do.
- When Rey tells BB-8 that she's waiting for her family to come back, she does so through masked tears.
- Rey actually counters Plutt's offer of 60 portions with 100 portions. Plutt agrees, and Rey ACCEPTS the 100 portions, before having a crisis of conscience that rejects Plutt's offer.
- Hux is worried that Finn's treason suggests that others in the ranks might harbor the same sentiment.
- While this is explicitly mentioned in the movie, concurrent dialog masks it: Rey mentions that she's flown lots of ships in the past, which is why she was able to fly the Falcon. In the book, she indicates shortly after this that at night, she'd poke around all the ships parked at the outpost to learn about them.
- When Ren learns that "a girl" helped BB-8 escape, it seems like he's afraid that the girl might be someone he knows. This tone is echoed later as well.
- Leia (and 3PO) has been keeping tabs on Poe and BB-8 the whole time. They knew about the destroyed X-Wing, but found no evidence of BB-8 wreckage. 3PO conceived of instructing Resistance-friendly droids to alert them on seeing BB-8. Hence the droid in Maz' cantina that signals the Resistance.
- Leia sends a delegate to the Hosnian system to emplore the Senate to take action against the First Order. This is the woman on the balcony in the movie who sees the sky turning orange right before her planet is destroyed.
- Snoke's philosophical motivation is essentially ancient Greek Stoicism - rejecting subjectivity and emotions in favor of logic and tangible, real things. Snoke blames the fall of the Empire on Vader having a failure of character - sentiment.
- Poe wakes up in the desert, and has a fun scene getting a lift to a nearby town, displaying further prowess as a tactician and pilot.
- When Rey first lands outside Maz' cantina, she's stunned by the smell of the planet. Han explains that she's never smelled so much oxygen before.
- Plutt tracked the Falcon to Maz' cantina, and arrives to take it back from Rey. He gets rough with her and she tries to shoot him with her new blaster. Plutt yanks the blaster out of her hands, and condescendingly explains that she needed to take the safety off. At this point, Chewie shows up and yanks the blaster out of Plutt's hands, and subsequently yanks Plutt's arm off.
- During Rey's vision, there's a boy at the end of the hallway (it's not clear if this is the Cloud City hallway, or some other hallway). When she hears a voice, it's known to her (it's not clear if the voice is Luke, Ben, Yoda, Ren, or what...).
- When Rey and Ren meet in the forest, their dialog is more philosophical. He essentially argues that her desire to kill him is out of ignorance, which is simply remedied. He has some ethical banter with her, and then seems to recognize who she is, but can't place it.
- BB-8 tracks the ships direction after they leave the atmosphere. Perhaps this is how Finn is positive where Ren took Rey.
- Maz survives the whole conflict, and tells Finn that she seems something different in his eyes now - the eyes of a warrior.
- During Han & Leia's dialog about Ren, Leia indicates that she'd known that Snoke posed a threat to their son since he was born. This indicates that Snoke has been around for a while, and is well-known to the Resistance. Further, she takes more of the blame for Ren than in the movie, because she kept this information from Han. She ultimately was afraid that Han wouldn't have the patience and understanding to handle it right.
- When Ren is interrogating Rey, he unlocks her bindings with a force gesture, and locks them back as he leaves.
- When Ren is trying to read Rey's mind, he encounters a barrier. The way this is written doesn't indicate that the barrier IS Rey - its ambiguity might imply that the barrier was placed there by some other means. It's also stated more explicitly that SHE got into Ren's mind, and had acquired knowledge from him.
- Snoke is terrified that Skywalker will return to the Resistance to challenge their power.
- Rey and Finn take a dangerous snowspeeder ride to a spot to unlock the doors that Han & Chewie go through before mining the columns of Starkiller Base.
- When Chewie and Han split up, they share a lingering "good luck" look that is heavy with foreshadowing.
- After Ren kills Han, he's stunned by his own action, and that the act didn't make him stronger.
- When Ren duels with Rey, he finally recognizes her (it's not clear what this means, but it's clear that he recognizes her). During the fight, her rage and fury are referred to several times. When Ren is on the ground, a vengeful voice in her head tells her to kill him. She recoils from this voice, and explicitly from the dark side.
- The stairs on the island where Rey finds Luke had been worn through thousands of years of use.
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