Statistics to show our youth

[mattropolis]

Then if the recruiting is on point, the failure is coaching.

See, no matter how we look at this, it all falls on O'Leary's lap. He's the boss. That's just the way it works. Recruits suck; O'Leary's fault. Coaches suck; O'Leary's fault. He gets paid millions of dollars to prevent either or both those things from happening, yet somehow he manages to get away with fukcing one of those things up every other year. We should've never had a letdown after a BCS bowl win and back to back conference championships.

Dude's lost his mojo, simple.

See UF for letdown after winning two National Titles. It happens to every program. I'll keep reiterating this season as a good gauge for where our overall program sits. If we rebound it means we have the right things in place for a successful program. That does not mean everything, every coach and every player is successfull all the time but it does mean we can get back to where we were. If we don't next year, changes from the top down probably need to occur.

 

[SCKnight]

See UF for letdown after winning two National Titles. It happens to every program. I'll keep reiterating this season as a good gauge for where our overall program sits. If we rebound it means we have the right things in place for a successful program. That does not mean everything, every coach and every player is successfull all the time but it does mean we can get back to where we were. If we don't next year, changes from the top down probably need to occur.

 

[jetsaholic]

See UF for letdown after winning two National Titles. It happens to every program. I'll keep reiterating this season as a good gauge for where our overall program sits. If we rebound it means we have the right things in place for a successful program. That does not mean everything, every coach and every player is successfull all the time but it does mean we can get back to where we were. If we don't next year, changes from the top down probably need to occur.

Yes, and he guy quit before he got fired. Faked a heart attack and everything.

This isn't a let down. God dammit, people, stop calling this a let down. This is a proven pattern of mediocrity by a barely above .500 coach that most of you keep thinking we can't live without.

 

[jetsaholic]

But he isn't. You're just too dense to know better.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Yes, and the guy quit before he got fired. Faked a heart attack and everything.

This isn't a let down. God dammit, people, stop calling this a let down. This is a proven pattern of mediocrity by a barely above .500 coach that most of you keep thinking we can't live without.

0-12 is not a let down.

 

[coffeyucf]

The scary thing about next years team is how many of these guys we have coming back . Yikes!!!

 

[UCFhonors]

This is suppose to be the most talented underclassmen ever at UCF. It's pathetic that we can't get enough players to finish through their senior year. We probably lose half of them by their senior year, every year.

 

[HoseEmDown]

The hail with YOUTH!!! I'm tired of excuses, excuses, excuses for years and years! The Gators have zero offensive line experience and look how well the are coached. Our Offensive linemen are undersized (Recruiting!!!!!) YOU DON"T LOSE TO FURMAN AND FIU.....and last year we lost to UCONN with so many darned excuses!! WHEN DO WE TURN THE CORNER???? Under GOL and his ways we won't!! 10 years of progress to be 0-5 in the AAC. Any school we play, the QB has so much time to throw!!! This program is just run like crap under GOL!!!! Don't even get me started on play calling by an offensive line coach.

Tell me how many non P5 schools have 6'6 300lb offensive lineman or 6'3 300lb D tackles? If you're that big or close to it coming out of high school you're going to get a P5 offer. It's why we struggle with most P5 schools who have us outsized on both lines. It's not like the coaches don't want these kids and aren't recruiting them we just don't win those battles. What corner do you want to turn now? We've pretty much done everything any school could want except win the national title. The expectations some fans have for this program are unobtainable.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Tell me how many non P5 schools have 6'6 300lb offensive lineman or 6'3 300lb D tackles? If you're that big or close to it coming out of high school you're going to get a P5 offer. It's why we struggle with most P5 schools who have us outsized on both lines. It's not like the coaches don't want these kids and aren't recruiting them we just don't win those battles. What corner do you want to turn now? We've pretty much done everything any school could want except win the national title. The expectations some fans have for this program are unobtainable.

Really I just want to play a complete game. I can't tell you the last time that happened. I want to be competitive against P5 teams and dominate lower level G5 teams consistently. That's it.

 

[KnightsofGroveland]

Tell me how many non P5 schools have 6'6 300lb offensive lineman or 6'3 300lb D tackles? If you're that big or close to it coming out of high school you're going to get a P5 offer. It's why we struggle with most P5 schools who have us outsized on both lines. It's not like the coaches don't want these kids and aren't recruiting them we just don't win those battles. What corner do you want to turn now? We've pretty much done everything any school could want except win the national title. The expectations some fans have for this program are unobtainable.

Yep, those P5 barnburners like FIU, Furman, and Tulane.

 

[jetsaholic]

Tell me how many non P5 schools have 6'6 300lb offensive lineman or 6'3 300lb D tackles?

Boise State, BYU and pretty much every school in the MAC.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Tell me how many non P5 schools have 6'6 300lb offensive lineman or 6'3 300lb D tackles? If you're that big or close to it coming out of high school you're going to get a P5 offer. It's why we struggle with most P5 schools who have us outsized on both lines. It's not like the coaches don't want these kids and aren't recruiting them we just don't win those battles. What corner do you want to turn now? We've pretty much done everything any school could want except win the national title. The expectations some fans have for this program are unobtainable.

This reply is either sarcasm or you are on something. Really? "We've done everything any school could want except win the national title"??? Yes, we did some amazing things....but.....let's TURN THE CORNER AND STAY CONSISTENT! So we are never to have the expectation of NOT LOSING TO FURMAN, FIU, UCONN (insert recent bad losses here). We are never to have to expectations of a good offensive line, or play calling? Yes being G5 does affect our recruiting. For years and years many of the MAC schools and others have over 300lb lineman....recruiting!! I disagree that we can't out-recruit the MAC

 

[SCKnight]

So we are never to have the expectation of NOT LOSING TO FURMAN, FIU, UCONN (insert recent bad losses here).

Here is your problem. You think this is somehow warranted by UCF. It is a pompous and conceited statement. Something I might here from a Gator fan or an Ohio State fan.

 

[jetsaholic]

Here is your problem. You think this is somehow warranted by UCF. It is a pompous and conceited statement. Something I might here from a Gator fan or an Ohio State fan.

No, it's a statement that you hear from most football experts. UCF, as a football program, is supposed to beat Furman, FIU, Ucunt and all other lesser opponents. Don't take our word for it, do some research instead.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Here is your problem. You think this is somehow warranted by UCF. It is a pompous and conceited statement. Something I might here from a Gator fan or an Ohio State fan.

Call it what you like. It's the truth. And if it's not true, why are so many people upset? Obviously, you are a "settle for being mediocre" king of guy. That is your problem.

 

[HoseEmDown]

This reply is either sarcasm or you are on something. Really? "We've done everything any school could want except win the national title"??? Yes, we did some amazing things....but.....let's TURN THE CORNER AND STAY CONSISTENT! So we are never to have the expectation of NOT LOSING TO FURMAN, FIU, UCONN (insert recent bad losses here). We are never to have to expectations of a good offensive line, or play calling? Yes being G5 does affect our recruiting. For years and years many of the MAC schools and others have over 300lb lineman....recruiting!! I disagree that we can't out-recruit the MAC

This is a down year, it happens. We aren't even a football powerhouse so these type of seasons should be expected. Look at UCLA they haven't been to one of the top 4 bowls since 98 and have had losing seasons since. Nebraska the Rose in 02 and have had losing seasons since. Tennessee the Fiesta in 00 and have had losing seasons since. We are not the next Alabama and will be winning 10+ every year and going to the top bowls.

Yes the occasional MAC school or other G5 school will have a 6'6 300lb lineman but they don't line up 5 across that way like your P5 does. We've had some too but not 5 on the line at once. It's not like those MAC schools are out recruiting us to those kids either, there's a lot of big farm boys in the Midwest who probably want to stay close to home and everyone here hates when we recruit out of state anyway.

 

[jetsaholic]

This is a down year, it happens. We aren't even a football powerhouse so these type of seasons should be expected. Look at UCLA they haven't been to one of the top 4 bowls since 98 and have had losing seasons since. Nebraska the Rose in 02 and have had losing seasons since. Tennessee the Fiesta in 00 and have had losing seasons since. We are not the next Alabama and will be winning 10+ every year and going to the top bowls.

Yes the occasional MAC school or other G5 school will have a 6'6 300lb lineman but they don't line up 5 across that way like your P5 does. We've had some too but not 5 on the line at once. It's not like those MAC schools are out recruiting us to those kids either, there's a lot of big farm boys in the Midwest who probably want to stay close to home and everyone here hates when we recruit out of state anyway.

No to all of this.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

This is a down year, it happens. We aren't even a football powerhouse so these type of seasons should be expected. Look at UCLA they haven't been to one of the top 4 bowls since 98 and have had losing seasons since. Nebraska the Rose in 02 and have had losing seasons since. Tennessee the Fiesta in 00 and have had losing seasons since. We are not the next Alabama and will be winning 10+ every year and going to the top bowls.

Yes the occasional MAC school or other G5 school will have a 6'6 300lb lineman but they don't line up 5 across that way like your P5 does. We've had some too but not 5 on the line at once. It's not like those MAC schools are out recruiting us to those kids either, there's a lot of big farm boys in the Midwest who probably want to stay close to home and everyone here hates when we recruit out of state anyway.

So in summary: Not enough farm boys to go around? Not enough farm boys want to come here? I do agree with you that we might not be recruiting those Nebraska Corn-beef eating 330 lb lineman.

 

[HoseEmDown]

No to all of this.

So what type of program are we? Are we right there with Alabama and Ohio state in never having a down year, getting any recruit we want and being in the national title picture every year?

 

[SCKnight]

Call it what you like. It's the truth. And if it's not true, why are so many people upset? Obviously, you are a "settle for being mediocre" king of guy. That is your problem.

It is not the truth. It is a view that is not based in any kind of reality. To desire to be that much better and the expectation that we already are or should be are two completely different animals. Just because you wish it, does not make it so. People are upset because are losing this season I get that. But to make a statement that we should NEVER lose a certain level of team is just not where UCF football is or ever has been.

 

[jetsaholic]

So what type of program are we? Are we right there with Alabama and Ohio state in never having a down year, getting any recruit we want and being in the national title picture every year?

I'm going to have to channel my inner BS for this answer, so I apologize beforehand.

This is a down year, it happens. We aren't even a football powerhouse so these type of seasons should be expected. Look at UCLA they haven't been to one of the top 4 bowls since 98 and have had losing seasons since. Nebraska the Rose in 02 and have had losing seasons since. Tennessee the Fiesta in 00 and have had losing seasons since. We are not the next Alabama and will be winning 10+ every year and going to the top bowls.

Nobody on their right mind thinks that we are a P5 program stuck in a G5's body. But, by the opinion of experts on the field, we are above average when it comes to G5 programs and we have been severely underachieving under O'Leary. How often did you hear the term "sleeping giant" when referring to us. It seems like we can never get out of our own way. Good season, bad season. Good season, bad season. In 13 years, O'Leary has managed to tally back to back winning seasons only twice. TWICE. Like I've been saying, this is not a down year: this is an expected pattern of mediocrity that, somehow, a lot of our fanbase seems to be ok with because of the height of the peaks. We show zero consistency. There are plenty of G5 programs that show more consistency than we do. I've already used Boise State's example of 17 winning seasons in a row, but everybody seems to push that argument to the side, some of them suggesting Boise has P5 money to recruit.

So no, we are not a football powerhouse. We are actually nothing in the realm of college football right now. The worst part of all this is that some of you are ok with that.

Yes the occasional MAC school or other G5 school will have a 6'6 300lb lineman but they don't line up 5 across that way like your P5 does. We've had some too but not 5 on the line at once. It's not like those MAC schools are out recruiting us to those kids either, there's a lot of big farm boys in the Midwest who probably want to stay close to home and everyone here hates when we recruit out of state anyway.

All information aquired from ourlads.com, and here we go:
Central Michigan's O-Line:
6'4" - 300
6'4" - 301
6'6" - 295
6'5" -300
6'7" - 294

Bowling Green's O-Line:
6'5" - 319
6'4" - 308
6'0" - 272
6'3" - 309
6'6" - 298

Miami (Ohio)'s O-Line (statistically, the worst team in the conference):
6'4" - 300
6'5" - 279
6'3" - 303
6'3" - 306
6'5" - 317

So yes, pretty much every team in the MAC has a 6'6" - 300 lb O'Line. And, yes, those MAC schools are out recruiting us on this department. Big time. Is the midwest filled with big ass country boys that might want to stay close to home? Sure. Are we doing everything we can in our recruiting to try to convince some of those country boys to ditch the farm in favor of the beach? Absolutely, 100% NOPE!

 

[HoseEmDown]

Nobody is ok with losing, I just don't think bringing in a hot young coach is going to bring us to prominence. There will be an injection into the program which it might need after so many years. I just don't see it bringing us top 25 recruiting classes and rankings every year. If we did win big the first or second year that new coach will be gone and there's no telling if we keep the momentum up. Safe is death which we might be seeing with GOL right now but there's other occasions where changes backfire. So it's a slippery slope with this potential decision.

Our Offensive line except for our center, it would've been if Grant wasn't hurt, is comparable to all those teams. We have been getting more 3 star lineman then in the past, not sure why our development has gone down, that's the issue.

 

[SCKnight]

Nobody is ok with losing, I just don't think bringing in a hot young coach is going to bring us to prominence. There will be an injection into the program which it might need after so many years. I just don't see it bringing us top 25 recruiting classes and rankings every year. If we did win big the first or second year that new coach will be gone and there's no telling if we keep the momentum up. Safe is death which we might be seeing with GOL right now but there's other occasions where changes backfire. So it's a slippery slope with this potential decision.

Our Offensive line except for our center, it would've been if Grant wasn't hurt, is comparable to all those teams. We have been getting more 3 star lineman then in the past, not sure why our development has gone down, that's the issue.

I hate to use him as a scapegoat but... Brent Key? He was the O-line coach and most of these are his guys.

 

[jetsaholic]

Nobody is ok with losing, I just don't think bringing in a hot young coach is going to bring us to prominence. There will be an injection into the program which it might need after so many years. I just don't see it bringing us top 25 recruiting classes and rankings every year. If we did win big the first or second year that new coach will be gone and there's no telling if we keep the momentum up. Safe is death which we might be seeing with GOL right now but there's other occasions where changes backfire. So it's a slippery slope with this potential decision.

Chris Petersen was at Boise State for 10 years. All winning seasons. The guy he left behind? Winning as well. The only reason O'Leary is still the coach is fear of uncertainty. He's not the answer. He was never the answer.

Our Offensive line except for our center, it would've been if Grant wasn't hurt, is comparable to all those teams. We have been getting more 3 star lineman then in the past, not sure why our development has gone down, that's the issue.

Joey Grant has been hurt pretty much every season he's been here, how can anybody say he's a good center? There's no body of work to show it. And, yes, our offensive live is not developing. Guess who coaches that line? Brent Key. He recruits them, he coaches them.

George O'Leary is Brent Key's boss. This is O'Leary's fault.