Very good coach but a style contrast to what their fans are used to watching. Big12 is raiding AAC Coaches...Herman, Rhule....
Temple’s Rhule hired by Baylor
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Another Big12 team takes an AAC coach but yet says we add nothing to the league :/
Getting out of Temple before his team graduates and has to rebuild.
What a culture shock! Hard to imagine two more opposite schools.
Rhule grew up in NYC, walk-on at Penn State, coached at PA's Albright, UCLA, and W. Carolina before Temple.
Hope (or don't hope?) he's ready for Baylor's messed up, criminal culture and big donor intrusions.
Also, his emphasis on defense may not sit well with Baylor fans of wild-west offense.
Rhule grew up in NYC, walk-on at Penn State, coached at PA's Albright, UCLA, and W. Carolina before Temple.
Hope (or don't hope?) he's ready for Baylor's messed up, criminal culture and big donor intrusions.
Also, his emphasis on defense may not sit well with Baylor fans of wild-west offense.
How much did Baylor oil money offer him?
if this is true that he was still in play at Oregon and he picked Baylor?
Baylor has a better location for recruiting but I'm picking Oregon in just about every other category
if this is true that he was still in play at Oregon and he picked Baylor?
Baylor has a better location for recruiting but I'm picking Oregon in just about every other category
No way.. he said he's commited to the program and his family likes it here. He won't be leaving any time soon.
-UofHouston fan last year
But bringing physical lines might lead to big success in the Big12. Also no one has tried playing defense in that league, could work.
But you are discounting the great Waco view of the Branch Davidian compound ruins of cult leader David Koresh where 74 died in the explosion and fire. That's what that city will always be known for.
American > B12 in 2016 by all measures except $
I still think it will take the right opportunity to come along for Frost. A big-time program with fertile recruiting territory and built-in advantages over the rest of their conference. He's not going to leave for Kansas State just because they can offer an extra million. And in order to get such a job you have to have Hermann-like success and get UCF to the top of the G5 again.
I'll defend Herman some in that it was the perfect domino that fell and I can't blame any Coach at just about any other Program(even other Blue Bloods or NFL coaches that want out) saying yes to coaching in Austin.
I remember South Carolina being interested last offseason but don't think he ever agreed to interview there.
The Power 5 Financial gap is going to make it more difficult to enjoy success when your coach will get immediately mentioned for other jobs and I think that constant talk in the media does not help attendance. I agree with @HammerB08 that if he wins enough I don't see Frost leaving for just any Power 5 Job based on the clues he gives out when talking about taking the UCF job. He's not leaving Orlando for places like Waco, Lubbock, or Manhattan, Kansas.
In addition Herman had already hit the glass ceiling at UH. Without the future of B12 involvement he did about as much as one can do. Lest we forget that UH lost to Navy, Memphis and SMU and needed a big come from behind win against us. Herman did what he needed to do to get into the spotlight and win a few big games this year. this will get him as big of a job as you can get in CF. There was no way he was not leaving.
This is good. Temple can go back to being Temple. Houston and UCF and dominate the league like we should.
He'll do well there. He'll recruit a great defense, slow down the offense and build a strong running game. It will take a few years, but I can see Baylor dominating under him. He knows how to counter spread offenses with ball control and defense. Are they under sanctions?
The only thing that will allow us to attract and hold good coaches is the very same thing that UCF Athletics needs anyway: a legitimate path to a P-5 conference!
That chance was indeed real when Danny recruited Frost, but is dead until attendance justifies a stadium expansion.
Dawkins is a crucial piece, too: recall that then AQ Big East took USF over UCF due to their then decent hoops team.
That chance was indeed real when Danny recruited Frost, but is dead until attendance justifies a stadium expansion.
Dawkins is a crucial piece, too: recall that then AQ Big East took USF over UCF due to their then decent hoops team.
I didn't hear that they were. I like Rhule. Dayum shame we keep losing all the good coaches in the conference.
Next best thing to kidnapping our best players. Welcome to the new coaches instructional league.
UCF doesn't need a stadium expansion. Just selling out the current capacity with continued amenity upgrades is enough. The rest is up to winning and politics as to whether UCF has a Power 5 future, it's still ridiculous to me that the 3rd most Populous State in the entire nation still only has 3 Power 5 Programs while dirt Poor Mississippi has Two.
Ridiculous or not, I'm sure Frost was sold the whole fairy tail: being considered for BIg 12 expansion, easy to restore attendance to the Bounce House to packed stadium, AND shown the blueprints for the BHS expansion we will definitely NEED to win a P-5 invite. Those were heady times 6 years ago when both football and basketball teams had among the fastest growing attendance in the nation.
We don't have to become Penn State, Michigan, Tennessee, Texas, Bama, USC, etc. But we need to reach 50 to 60% of their numbers. Skyboxes and club seat are fine, but college sports is about advertisers and conference pay-cable revenue now. Attendance demonstrates those eyes on the tube for away games.
I was thinking the same thing the timing is good for Rhule to leave. I wonder how much more money they offered him? (I haven't read all the response yet maybe it was already covered) Bottom line the American will always be prime for the P5 taking the coaches away.
How much? Enough to get him to take the job! Money's no object among Texas oil billionaires when they want to put a national rape and party scandal behind them as fast as possible.I was thinking the same thing the timing is good for Rhule to leave. I wonder how much more money they offered him? (I haven't read all the response yet maybe it was already covered) Bottom line the American will always be prime for the P5 taking the coaches away.
I was thinking the same thing the timing is good for Rhule to leave. I wonder how much more money they offered him? (I haven't read all the response yet maybe it was already covered) Bottom line the American will always be prime for the P5 taking the coaches away.
We will never know. Baylor being a private institution isn't required to release their coaches salaries. I would think it would be pretty substantial. Probably 5 million plus. Honestly, I don't think Rhule fits there at all. I thought he would be hired away, but he is a northeastern guy. I just don't see him fitting in with the Texas football landscape especially at forever doormat (until we recruit criminals) Baylor.
Let's not kid ourselves, Frost is gone after he wins a Conference Championship. It may not be right after, but it will be as soon as a really good situation opens up. Who knows where that will be though. Are there any big name programs with a coach near the hot seat in the next 3 years?
Notre Dame,Tennessee, UCLA, South Carolina maybe. We'll see how Kirby Smart does at Georgia.
Notre Dame,Tennessee, UCLA, South Carolina maybe. We'll see how Kirby Smart does at Georgia.
And Dawkins will be gone after his son graduates.
The important hire was always Danny, who got us all this great coaching talent. He needs to use this short window to somehow build attendance -- a tough nut to crack with attendance dramatically trending down at nearly all G-5 schools (and many P-5's, too). Then Danny can move on up to the lifetime job he merits: AD of a top program.
I can't believe the Cabana didn't drive attendance through the roof. It seemed like a no brainer. A few hundred people getting special treatment for a few extra bucks. I would have sworn that would have been enough.
Let's at least get prepared for a 3-3,5 million dollar offer. It won't stop all programs from poaching, but it would have stopped Oregon.
His son will only be a red-shirt Junior next year, so I was referring to 2 years. If we do as well as we hope, he'll get offers.
For dozens of schools, basketball is the prime money making sport, especially in the Big East, but also for P-5 schools that want to be like Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, UCLA, Louisville, Kentucky, etc. in the P-5. Although recruiting is more important than coaching in basketball, Dawkins has demonstrated how he can instantly turn around a team, knows how to coach a big man, and can recruit with the best of them (especially now that he doesn't have to meet western-Ivy Stanford's strict academic requirements).
Thats was mostly a facility issue...as USF already had a state funded 10,000 seat arena (built around 1980) while UCF was stuck in a tiny 4,600 seat garage.
And yes, Big East invited the all sports and basketball only programs from CUSA back in 2003 (Louisville, usf, Cincinnati, marquette, and depaul) hoping it would help the Big East...but in the end...usf hoops was a joke during their Big East stay...and continues to be a joke in AAC.
Aubrey is already projected to get drafted. If he projects middle round 1 after next year he leaves. I'm projecting he goes around 15th which would be our highest basketball pick ever obviously.
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