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The End of Wackadoo's?

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UCF is considering making the SU generic like the other State schools......
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-ucf-restaurants-union-20151110-story.html


Restaurant owners worry about UCF Student Union plans

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Sean Moore and Josh Kaufman, both UCF educators, meet this week at Wackadoo’s Grub and Brew in the Student Union. They often meet there to collaborate. (Orlando Sentinel / Gabrielle Russon)

On a recent morning, Jim Phelps returned to his alma mater to grab an early lunch at Wackadoo's Grub and Brew.

Phelps, a 2001 graduate from Orlando, ordered a special pulled pork sandwich that's no longer on the menu, but the cook makes it anyway.

"It's an institution," Phelps said about the UCF Student Union restaurant decorated with black-and-gold football jerseys on the wall and vintage pictures from campus on the tables. "It's like 'Cheers.'"

But the future of Wackadoo's and several other locally owned restaurants in the heart of the UCF campus is uncertain.

The UCF trustees are expected to vote Nov. 19 whether the Student Union's food vendors should be consolidated and run by Aramark, a Philadelphia company that already operates the university's meal-plan cafeterias. Officials say the proposal is a lucrative deal for the university and offers an opportunity to nearly double the sitting space in the Union.

Several restaurant owners said their places would be phased out as their leases expire within the next few years, they would not be renewed. Then, Aramark would decide which restaurant vendors should replace them, a move that could wipe out local entrepreneurs and could turn the Student Union into a generic food court, they said.

"We're jobless. We're out," said Alkarim Dhanani, who co-owns five businesses at UCF. "We will do whatever it takes to stay."

UCF spokesman Chad Binette said if the plan moves forward, Aramark and the university will talk with students about what dining options they want.

"It is premature to comment on how their feedback might impact the current vendors," Binette wrote in an email.

Several owners said they plan to attend the upcoming trustees' meeting to protest and ask for an opportunity to bid on the project.

"What bothers us the most is monopolies aren't good for Student Unions," said Dean Monaco, a 1993 UCF graduate who owns Wackadoo's with his former roommate and fraternity brother, Scott Kaylor.

But Binette said most schools use single food-service operators instead of several independent vendors. That makes UCF, one of the largest schools in the country, the exception. Aramark runs the Student Unions at several other schools, including the universities of Florida, Florida State and South Florida.

At UF, the Student Union primarily has franchises and chain restaurants with the exception of a café, said school spokesman Steve Orlando.

UCF leaders, including the student body president Caitlyn Zona, who serves on the trustees board – said the proposed deal offers plenty of incentives for the school.

Working with Aramark will give the university $14 million to expand the crowded 400-seat Union by building a new addition and renovating the existing space to add 750 more seats. Binette added the trend of hiring student workers – just like many of the current union restaurants do – would likely continue with Aramark in control of the Union.

"It makes all the sense in the world," said UCF's chief financial officer William Merck during a trustees committee in October.

Several restaurant owners said they felt blindsided after learning about the proposed changes in the media.

"You're on campus 20 years and you don't get the respect of a phone call before a big deal happens," said Bryan Horgan, a 2007 UCF graduate who runs the Subway. "It just doesn't feel right."

However, Binette said the restaurant owners were not told sooner because the university needed to wait to see how trustees felt about the Aramark contract at the committee meeting.

"This is only a proposal, and there is still time for feedback," Binette wrote.
 
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every year there is a new restriction on Memory Mall and trying to push out a UCF staple like Wackadoo's on top of a Football Program with 0 wins. Just keep piling on UCF Admin.
 
My office uses Aramark, the food is decent but overpriced. There's zero atmosphere. Just a sterile cafeteria. Please don't kill Wackadoos!
 
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I know the athletic dept hasn't been happy with the vendor who does athletics. I hope it's not the same as Aramark bc that would just prove that departments don't communicate or the admin doesn't listen.
 
The Student Union is tiny for a school our size. If these vendors want to stop it from happening, they got to come up with the money to do a massive expansion to the student union like Aramark is willing to do. There is no funds anywhere else, and we badly need a bigger food court.
 
Article is somewhat misleading and leans heavily toward: "big, bad, evil corporations!!" Firstly, Aramark will more than likely allow Wackadoos to stay in the remodeled student union. Will the rent be higher? Almost certainly. But is rent not higher in most places that have undergone recent renovations to provide more space, amenities, etc.? Will it be prohibitively higher? That is almost entirely dependent on what Wackadoos is willing to do in regard to prices/margins and if the brand loyalty is as ardent as some claim.

Secondly, a bunch of people on here constantly bash the small-time mentality of the university. UCF is thinking big and $14 million is a A LOT of scratch.

I'd be sad to see a UCF institution go, but I am also not going to be the guy riding his horse cursing those in their horseless carriages.
 
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The Student Union is tiny for a school our size. If these vendors want to stop it from happening, they got to come up with the money to do a massive expansion to the student union like Aramark is willing to do. There is no funds anywhere else, and we badly need a bigger food court.
That's funny. It opened while I was at UCF and at the time it was the largest student union in the country.
 
Just move wackadoos up to the 4th floor. Nothing up there anyways.

Or let Aramark create their foodcourt up there. Could have some windows with great views of the campus. Either way, they've got to find a way to accommodate alumni-owned businesses that have contributed to the University for decades. Aramark is infamous for cutting corners with substandard ingredients and shrinking portions in the American prison system. We may get an initial infusion of cash to expand seats, but the students end up paying for it with fewer options, higher prices, poor quality, and a generic experience. If we're going to do business with them at all it should be on our terms in a way that preserves the character of what a student union is about.
 
That's funny. It opened while I was at UCF and at the time it was the largest student union in the country.

This was never true. The UCF student union was 130,000 sf when it opened in 1997. The Indiana student union, for example, has been around since the 1930s and it's current size since the 1960s or so - and is over 500,000 sf. Ok St. is over 500,000 sq. ft, K State is almost 250,000 sq. ft. U of F is over 260,000 sq. ft. The UCF student union was probably on the the smallish to adequate size for a school its size when it opened. It's never been a particularly large student union in comparison to other student unions. It absolutely too small given the current student population and how heavily it gets used.
 
This was never true. The UCF student union was 130,000 sf when it opened in 1997. The Indiana student union, for example, has been around since the 1930s and it's current size since the 1960s or so - and is over 500,000 sf. Ok St. is over 500,000 sq. ft, K State is almost 250,000 sq. ft. U of F is over 260,000 sq. ft. The UCF student union was probably on the the smallish to adequate size for a school its size when it opened. It's never been a particularly large student union in comparison to other student unions. It absolutely too small given the current student population and how heavily it gets used.
It was before Wikipedia, so it was true.
 
It was before Wikipedia, so it was true.

I actually just (oddly) know that info without Wiki's help from personal knowledge and some listicles I've read before. But, if wiki helps people say fewer inaccurate things, I think more people should read it. Things that were never true for $500, Alex.
 
Unbelievable. Lets just rename the School UA while we are at it. Anything for a buck.
 
A lot of people have some exaggerated memory's of wackadoo's in here. Their food is average at best and their service is terrible
 
Where else do I get a buffalo chicken sandwich and beer in the union?
In the event Wackadoos is replaced, its unlikely Aramark won't want some other place that serves alcohol. Didn't Wackadoos even downsize in the past few years because demand is so low?
 
In the event Wackadoos is replaced, its unlikely Aramark won't want some other place that serves alcohol. Didn't Wackadoos even downsize in the past few years because demand is so low?
They have actually expanded seating into the game room. They also had an agreement with the Chemistry Department (I believe it was Chemistry) to install a brewery where the current games are, for the students to brew their own beer. Was going to be the only such class in the country. The owners are very involved in campus life...I really hope that they are one of the two allowed to stay.
 
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