The four seasons landscaping!!! Are you kidding me?

[Trigeek]

The reason I ask is because I've never seen a CEO fired for a failed press conference before unless it was a big launch of a product and the company's stock tanked because of it. Working in very large companies in the past, the CEO might fire the person who scheduled the press conference. But never have I seen the weight come down on one because of the mistake of someone far below them that didn't result in legal or financial catastrophe.

From the people that you quote in your posts and your opinions on business, it appears that you have 3 degrees in engineering and an academic's viewpoint of the world. It doesn't feel like you've worked at any level of authority within companies of any size that have CEOs nor does it feel like you've been responsible for organizations of people that you cannot directly manage on any given day. Just my read from your posts and it may be very wrong. It's not meant to be a mortal insult, just a read from a random person on the internet. No offense meant.

Actually, I was employee 300 on a major start up company which changed the aerospace industry 30 years ago. We were spacex before there was a spacex. The founder and CEO of that company remains a titan within the industry. He's also been a great mentor and friend.

Our average age of systems engineers was 28, I was 26 when hired. I moved up through the ranks and eventually lead a team of over over 300 FTEs with suppliers and touch labor spread across the globe. My P&L responsibility exceeded over & $850 million.
Last year my team successfully delivered a ground breaking industry first which was all over the news.
The little start up company, I helped build was purchased by a larger company with just under 100k employees for the largest acquisition in Aerospace history

Needless to say, you don't know shit. Please do tell? What do you do? hardware design?, excel spreadsheets. Please share.... It does go to tell you how grossly mistaken you can by by making assumption...

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

You know they screwed up because trump tweeted (and then deleted) to "shoe up at the 4 Seasons for a press conference". The actual 4 Seasons had to issue a correction.

Lmaoooooooo can you imagine being so goddamn stupid you supported this incompetent joke of an adminstration for 4 years. Goddamn you people are stupid.

complete failure all the way around. Literally a circus....but HE GONE!

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Actually, I was employee 300 on a major start up company which changed the aerospace industry 30 years ago. We were spacex before there was a spacex. The founder and CEO of that company remains a titan within the industry. He's also been a great mentor and friend.

Our average age of systems engineers was 28, I was 26 when hired. I moved up through the ranks and eventually lead a team of over over 300 FTEs with suppliers and touch labor spread across the globe. My P&L responsibility exceeded over & $850 million.
Last year my team successfully delivered a ground breaking industry first which was all over the news.
The little start up company, I helped build was purchased by a larger company with just under 100k employees for the largest acquisition in Aerospace history

Needless to say, you don't know shit. Please do tell? What do you do? hardware design?, excel spreadsheets. Please share.... It does go to tell you how grossly mistaken you can by by making assumption...

That awesome TG! Quite an accomplishment and many years of dedication to the company! Go Engineers

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

You guys, it gets better. Giuliani had a convicted sexual predator speak:

The first person Rudy Giuliani, the attorney for President Donald Trump, called up as a witness to baseless allegations of vote counting shenanigans in Philadelphia during a press conference last week is a sex offender who for years has been a perennial candidate in New Jersey.

“It’s such a shame. This is a democracy,” Daryl Brooks, who said he was a GOP poll watcher, said at the press conference, held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Northeast Philadelphia. “They did not allow us to see anything. Was it corrupt or not? But give us an opportunity as poll watchers to view all the documents — all of the ballots.”


Trenton political insiders watched with bemusement as Brooks took the podium.

Brooks was incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor for exposing himself to two girls ages 7 and 11, according to news accounts.

wow...sickening

 

[hemightbejeremy]

You guys, it gets better. Giuliani had a convicted sexual predator speak:

The first person Rudy Giuliani, the attorney for President Donald Trump, called up as a witness to baseless allegations of vote counting shenanigans in Philadelphia during a press conference last week is a sex offender who for years has been a perennial candidate in New Jersey.

“It’s such a shame. This is a democracy,” Daryl Brooks, who said he was a GOP poll watcher, said at the press conference, held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Northeast Philadelphia. “They did not allow us to see anything. Was it corrupt or not? But give us an opportunity as poll watchers to view all the documents — all of the ballots.”


Trenton political insiders watched with bemusement as Brooks took the podium.

Brooks was incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor for exposing himself to two girls ages 7 and 11, according to news accounts.

Good people on both sides of Giuliani that day.

 

[sk8knight]

Actually, I was employee 300 on a major start up company which changed the aerospace industry 30 years ago. We were spacex before there was a spacex. The founder and CEO of that company remains a titan within the industry. He's also been a great mentor and friend.

Our average age of systems engineers was 28, I was 26 when hired. I moved up through the ranks and eventually lead a team of over over 300 FTEs with suppliers and touch labor spread across the globe. My P&L responsibility exceeded over & $850 million.
Last year my team successfully delivered a ground breaking industry first which was all over the news.
The little start up company, I helped build was purchased by a larger company with just under 100k employees for the largest acquisition in Aerospace history

Needless to say, you don't know shit. Please do tell? What do you do? hardware design?, excel spreadsheets. Please share.... It does go to tell you how grossly mistaken you can by by making assumption...

So in all of that impressive work, you would judge yourself or your CEO incompetent for the mistakes of an event coordinator that you’d probably never met to the extent that you or your CEO would be fired? That was the statement you made.

 

[sk8knight]

Actually, I was employee 300 on a major start up company which changed the aerospace industry 30 years ago. We were spacex before there was a spacex. The founder and CEO of that company remains a titan within the industry. He's also been a great mentor and friend.

Our average age of systems engineers was 28, I was 26 when hired. I moved up through the ranks and eventually lead a team of over over 300 FTEs with suppliers and touch labor spread across the globe. My P&L responsibility exceeded over & $850 million.
Last year my team successfully delivered a ground breaking industry first which was all over the news.
The little start up company, I helped build was purchased by a larger company with just under 100k employees for the largest acquisition in Aerospace history

Needless to say, you don't know shit. Please do tell? What do you do? hardware design?, excel spreadsheets. Please share.... It does go to tell you how grossly mistaken you can by by making assumption...

Our experience level is similar and I’ve spent my time as a manager in a Big 3 defense company as well. I’m surprised that you so fervently fanboy leftist history professors with such a wealth of experience in life behind you.

 

[Trigeek]

So in all of that impressive work, you would judge yourself or your CEO incompetent for the mistakes of an event coordinator that you’d probably never met to the extent that you or your CEO would be fired? That was the statement you made.

What I meant and what was implied as well as the point, is this administration continues to reach new lows in incompetence. To answer you question, no CEO should have made it this far based on what he has and continues to do to embarrass the country. No BOD would put up with it.
however it just speaks volumes that you completely miss the point and choose to attempt to play gotcha on your interpretation of a literal statement. CEO are held accountable for the actions of the company and have often been forced to resign when those actions were actually not due to his/her own specific failures.
So I’ve shared with you. Please share your vast experience and understanding of how executive leadership councils work. I’ll wait while you continue to derail the issue of holding a press conference at a garden landscaping business called the four seasons, next to a pornography shop and crematorium.
Let’s here this???

 

[Trigeek]

Our experience level is similar and I’ve spent my time as a manager in a Big 3 defense company as well. I’m surprised that you so fervently fanboy leftist history professors with such a wealth of experience in life behind you.

Well I’d say that you either don’t understand my position and falsely assume you do. Further I find it odd that you assume all executives of Fortune 500 compiles share your politics. One can actually have business accruement and a heart aswell. I feel sorry for you to be so blind.

 

[sk8knight]

Well I’d say that you either don’t understand my position and falsely assume you do. Further I find it odd that you assume all executives of Fortune 500 compiles share your politics. One can actually have business accruement and a heart aswell. I feel sorry for you to be so blind.

By that statement, I suppose you believe that Conservatives don’t have a heart. Would that be accurate?

 

[sk8knight]

What I meant and what was implied as well as the point, is this administration continues to reach new lows in incompetence. To answer you question, no CEO should have made it this far based on what he has and continues to do to embarrass the country. No BOD would put up with it.
however it just speaks volumes that you completely miss the point and choose to attempt to play gotcha on your interpretation of a literal statement. CEO are held accountable for the actions of the company and have often been forced to resign when those actions were actually not due to his/her own specific failures.
So I’ve shared with you. Please share your vast experience and understanding of how executive leadership councils work. I’ll wait while you continue to derail the issue of holding a press conference at a garden landscaping business called the four seasons, next to a pornography shop and crematorium.
Let’s here this???

I got your point. You’ve been using your leftist prophetess to simultaneously push that the Trump administration is both an effective evil organization and totally incompetent. We’ve all gotten that from you.

 

[Trigeek]

By that statement, I suppose you believe that Conservatives don’t have a heart. Would that be accurate?

I consider myself firmly moderate. Leaning on the right fiscally and on the left socially. If I’m going to be wrong, I choose to be wrong by helping people. If they fail or screw me over then I tried.
I believe fiscally it’s often makes more sense to help people rather than not help. For example, I don’t necessarily care one way or another about certain issues like capital punishment however I believe it makes financial sense to NOT have capital punishment. It does not deter crime. I believe in legalizing Pot. Tax it. I believe in spending more on education and that pork barrel spending on defense is very real (in fact I know this) and a waste of tax payers money. I think more money should be spent on mental health and less money on local police armaments designed for war.
I know Climate Change is real.

regardless we can have productive conversation on all such matters.
However, This president is another matter, I believe that if you support this administration you really should check your moral compass. I don’t think it’s a Republican vs Democrats thing. He is the problem and he has divided this country for his own gain.

I also think 80 % of the population is not informed enough to make an intelligent and considerate vote.

I will ask you this. Do you assume all people in business are pro Trump?

 

[Trigeek]

I got your point. You’ve been using your leftist prophetess to simultaneously push that the Trump administration is both an effective evil organization and totally incompetent. We’ve all gotten that from you.

You tend to label everything you disagree with as left. That is where you are wrong

 

[chemmie]

I bet Brooks loved the dildo shop.

 

[sk8knight]

You tend to label everything you disagree with as left. That is where you are wrong

I’m going to label Heather Cox Richardson’s rants as leftist fear mongering. Especially when she views things against values that the left holds today. Maybe you’re right, maybe I don’t know your values. You’ve posted so much of hers that I just figured you agreed.

 

[sk8knight]

I consider myself firmly moderate. Leaning on the right fiscally and on the left socially. If I’m going to be wrong, I choose to be wrong by helping people. If they fail or screw me over then I tried.
I believe fiscally it’s often makes more sense to help people rather than not help. For example, I don’t necessarily care one way or another about certain issues like capital punishment however I believe it makes financial sense to NOT have capital punishment. It does not deter crime. I believe in legalizing Pot. Tax it. I believe in spending more on education and that pork barrel spending on defense is very real (in fact I know this) and a waste of tax payers money. I think more money should be spent on mental health and less money on local police armaments designed for war.
I know Climate Change is real.

regardless we can have productive conversation on all such matters.
However, This president is another matter, I believe that if you support this administration you really should check your moral compass. I don’t think it’s a Republican vs Democrats thing. He is the problem and he has divided this country for his own gain.

I also think 80 % of the population is not informed enough to make an intelligent and considerate vote.

I will ask you this. Do you assume all people in business are pro Trump?

I think we can and will have good conversations on those topics in the future.

Obviously all people in business are not pro-Trump. I simply wanted to push back on the invalid stigma that Conservatives don’t have a heart or that we don’t believe in education or a great deal of the other lies that are told about them. What we don’t believe in is using the power of government to seize people’s hard-earned assets to right some wrong or to fund the same old government programs that have done more harm than good.

We both share a lot of common values and are far closer than we are apart.

 

[Trigeek]

I think we can and will have good conversations on those topics in the future.

Obviously all people in business are not pro-Trump. I simply wanted to push back on the invalid stigma that Conservatives don’t have a heart or that we don’t believe in education or a great deal of the other lies that are told about them. What we don’t believe in is using the power of government to seize people’s hard-earned assets to right some wrong or to fund the same old government programs that have done more harm than good.

We both share a lot of common values and are far closer than we are apart.

Talk about fear mongering!! The government is coming for you!! Grab your gun!!! Please.

 

[Trigeek]

I’m going to label Heather Cox Richardson’s rants as leftist fear mongering. Especially when she views things against values that the left holds today. Maybe you’re right, maybe I don’t know your values. You’ve posted so much of hers that I just figured you agreed.

I think Heather Cox Richardson is a very good journalist and do not read her as being leftist at all. Again when the narrative does not fit your viewpoints you scream leftist! Socialist!

 

[sk8knight]

I think Heather Cox Richardson is a very good journalist and do not read her as being leftist at all. Again when the narrative does not fit your viewpoints you scream leftist! Socialist!

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

 

[Trigeek]

Sure, if it makes you feel better.

You say that like you have the some deeper understanding than I do. Sort of a patronizing response. Do you really believe this? . Do you think you are smarter than I am? Do you think you have some greater understanding than I? The rest of the people on this board? Sound fairly closed minded to me.

 

[Trigeek]

I think we can and will have good conversations on those topics in the future.

Obviously all people in business are not pro-Trump. I simply wanted to push back on the invalid stigma that Conservatives don’t have a heart or that we don’t believe in education or a great deal of the other lies that are told about them. What we don’t believe in is using the power of government to seize people’s hard-earned assets to right some wrong or to fund the same old government programs that have done more harm than good.

We both share a lot of common values and are far closer than we are apart.

While there has been some mistakes you can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Which is what I think a lot of people want. Government should foster the welfare of the people (All People). That includes a component of smart regulatory laws. It’s been proven that subject to no regulation, industry will fail to do the right thing.

 

[sk8knight]

You say that like you have the some deeper understanding than I do. Sort of a patronizing response. Do you really believe this? . Do you think you are smarter than I am? Do you think you have some greater understanding than I? The rest of the people on this board? Sound fairly closed minded to me.

No, I don’t want to be this contentious with you. I’d like to have civil discussion, so I tried to back off the emotional tone. You missed it, obviously, so you can believe whatever with me. I enjoy the good discussion on this board and apparently I made this one too personal and for that, I apologize.

 

[sk8knight]

While there has been some mistakes you can’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Which is what I think a lot of people want. Government should foster the welfare of the people (All People). That includes a component of smart regulatory laws. It’s been proven that subject to no regulation, industry will fail to do the right thing.

It is not Government’s role to force private entities into doing the “right thing.” This is authoritarian thinking and why I find some of your positions to be leftist in nature. It is also not good for the power of the mob to use Government to enforce its will. This is why we have a Republic and not a pure Democracy.

I don’t think anyone will disagree that some level of regulation is necessary. But I feel that regulation needs to be limited in nature and see the Government’s role as referee rather than as parent. You can disagree with my stance all you want when it comes to the power of Government and you can gaslight my concern as irrational crazy-talk, but on this earth Governments are the primary and prolific oppressors of people and perpetrators of evil.

 

[Trigeek]

It is not Government’s role to force private entities into doing the “right thing.” This is authoritarian thinking and why I find some of your positions to be leftist in nature. It is also not good for the power of the mob to use Government to enforce its will. This is why we have a Republic and not a pure Democracy.

I don’t think anyone will disagree that some level of regulation is necessary. But I feel that regulation needs to be limited in nature and see the Government’s role as referee rather than as parent. You can disagree with my stance all you want when it comes to the power of Government and you can gaslight my concern as irrational crazy-talk, but on this earth Governments are the primary and prolific oppressors of people and perpetrators of evil.

You have a way of arguing which starts with painting my position as negative and supporting your assertion that you are right and I am wrong. Stating that I support authoritarian thinking is complete BS, followed by your position are leftist in nature...
You really should think about listening more and less projection.

Regulation is required. Ever heard of ENRON?..... Environment, Health and SAFETY, etc.... It is a pendulum which has to be monitored and controlled so it does not swing too far right or left.

 

[NinjaKnight]

You have a way of arguing which starts with painting my position as negative and supporting your assertion that you are right and I am wrong. Stating that I support authoritarian thinking is complete BS, followed by your position are leftist in nature...
You really should think about listening more and less projection.

Regulation is required. Ever heard of ENRON?..... Environment, Health and SAFETY, etc.... It is a pendulum which has to be monitored and controlled so it does not swing too far right or left.

Regulations kill jobs. Let's go back to the good old 1970's before we had that stupid EPA, and rivers were catching on fire from the pollution just like Republican Jesus intended.

 

[sk8knight]

You have a way of arguing which starts with painting my position as negative and supporting your assertion that you are right and I am wrong. Stating that I support authoritarian thinking is complete BS, followed by your position are leftist in nature...
You really should think about listening more and less projection.

Regulation is required. Ever heard of ENRON?..... Environment, Health and SAFETY, etc.... It is a pendulum which has to be monitored and controlled so it does not swing too far right or left.

I conceded that regulation is necessary. But to impose Sarbannes-Oxley on industry as a knee jerk reaction was over-the-top and deleterious.

You made a statement that government needed to regulate so that industry would do the right thing. If you think that isn’t authoritarian in nature, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you should pay attention to what you’re saying a little more.

 

[Trigeek]

I conceded that regulation is necessary. But to impose Sarbannes-Oxley on industry as a knee jerk reaction was over-the-top and deleterious.

You made a statement that government needed to regulate so that industry would do the right thing. If you think that isn’t authoritarian in nature, I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe you should pay attention to what you’re saying a little more.

While I in general don't believe corporations are evil and from a business standpoint you have to preserve what butters your bread. Corporations are profit driven, plain and simple. That is what they do. Without some rules and guidelines the initiative is to increase the bottom line. Period. There are plenty of examples of bad behavior from companies left unregulated. You have to know this....

Why do you insist on arguing the extremes? I think I said Regulation is a pendulum which must and needs to be monitored and adjusted.

You are boring because you don't seek answers. You seek to show examples of why you are right. Perhaps you've been watching too much Fox News Hannity, Rush and the bow tie guy...

Enjoy your day.

 

[sk8knight]

While I in general don't believe corporations are evil and from a business standpoint you have to preserve what butters your bread. Corporations are profit driven, plain and simple. That is what they do. Without some rules and guidelines the initiative is to increase the bottom line. Period. There are plenty of examples of bad behavior from companies left unregulated. You have to know this....

Why do you insist on arguing the extremes? I think I said Regulation is a pendulum which must and needs to be monitored and adjusted.

You are boring because you don't seek answers. You seek to show examples of why you are right. Perhaps you've been watching too much Fox News Hannity, Rush and the bow tie guy...

Enjoy your day.

Haha, you’re funny. I’m all for answers but you aren’t even honest with yourself. Like you said, good day.

 

[Crazyhole]

I think Heather Cox Richardson is a very good journalist and do not read her as being leftist at all. Again when the narrative does not fit your viewpoints you scream leftist! Socialist!

Um........... HCR is not a leftist? This probably explains why you think you are a moderate.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Good people on both sides of Giuliani that day.

This is funny as hell! Needed this smile.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

Regulations kill jobs. Let's go back to the good old 1970's before we had that stupid EPA, and rivers were catching on fire from the pollution just like Republican Jesus intended.

Who needs regulations, let the ozone layer open back up! Bring HITLER, I mean trump back! LOL

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Who needs regulations, let the ozone layer open back up! Bring HITLER, I mean trump back! LOL

One of the reasons regulations started was because Corporations and people were driven by profits. Many workers children back then were being abused Social programs and regulations had to be implemented. If Corporations took care of people and land there would be fewer regulations. Same with mass shootings.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

While I in general don't believe corporations are evil and from a business standpoint you have to preserve what butters your bread. Corporations are profit driven, plain and simple. That is what they do. Without some rules and guidelines the initiative is to increase the bottom line. Period. There are plenty of examples of bad behavior from companies left unregulated. You have to know this....

Why do you insist on arguing the extremes? I think I said Regulation is a pendulum which must and needs to be monitored and adjusted.

You are boring because you don't seek answers. You seek to show examples of why you are right. Perhaps you've been watching too much Fox News Hannity, Rush and the bow tie guy...

Enjoy your day.

Corporations put profit over People. They are doing what's good for them. From an ethics standpoint, you have to think from a Societal point of view or Corporate. Both sides think they are right. It's why you need Social programs to counter huge corporations. This way the people prosper. Or fewer regulations so corporations can become Monopolies. Each person must decide where they stand. I will tell you this, Corporations always fall only the people remain..

 

[sk8knight]

Corporations put profit over People. They are doing what's good for them. From an ethics standpoint, you have to think from a Societal point of view or Corporate. Both sides think they are right. It's why you need Social programs to counter huge corporations. This way the people prosper. Or fewer regulations so corporations can become Monopolies. Each person must decide where they stand. I will tell you this, Corporations always fall only the people remain..

Corporations are made up of people. People who can choose what to do or not to. People that are affected by public pressure. People that should have value systems that preclude malicious actions.

In today’s day and age, corporations are falling all over each other to be socially responsible because the market dictates it.

What makes you think that Government programs are the beneficent counter to evil corporations?

The US Government has been fighting a war on poverty for almost 100 years now to the tune of trillions of dollars and, if you believe the left, the poor are worse off than ever. Why is that?

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Corporations are made up of people. People who can choose what to do or not to. People that are affected by public pressure. People that should have value systems that preclude malicious actions.

In today’s day and age, corporations are falling all over each other to be socially responsible because the market dictates it.

What makes you think that Government programs are the beneficent counter to evil corporations?

The US Government has been fighting a war on poverty for almost 100 years now to the tune of trillions of dollars and, if you believe the left, the poor are worse off than ever. Why is that?

Corporations have been Deregulated in the last 30 years. That's your Answer. The Government has sided with corporations, and Billionaires like never before have been created, as have Monopolies. We had regulations in place before. Rockefeller was why these regulations were made. At one point he was richer than any nation in World. Social programs and regulations stopped him. Reagen deregulated corporations allowing monopolies like Rockefeller to be made.

 

[sk8knight]

Corporations have been Deregulated in the last 30 years. That's your Answer. The Government has sided with corporations, and Billionaires like never before have been created, as have Monopolies. We had regulations in place before. Rockefeller was why these regulations were made. At one point he was richer than any nation in World. Social programs and regulations stopped him. Reagen deregulated corporations allowing monopolies like Rockefeller to be made.

There’s a difference between unnecessary regulatory friction for political optics and a willingness to enforce antitrust laws.

Since you’re on the soapbox, how do you feel about all the Big Tech representation in the Biden transition team?

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

There’s a difference between unnecessary regulatory friction for political optics and a willingness to enforce antitrust laws.

Since you’re on the soapbox, how do you feel about all the Big Tech representation in the Biden transition team?

Glad u ask.. I hate it.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

There’s a difference between unnecessary regulatory friction for political optics and a willingness to enforce antitrust laws.

Since you’re on the soapbox, how do you feel about all the Big Tech representation in the Biden transition team?


Only one guy on the team was a detective who went after big business.. 2 guys can help him. they got Bernie and his posi scheme. They are not on the team. Big business controls this.

 

[Crazyhole]

Corporations have been Deregulated in the last 30 years. That's your Answer. The Government has sided with corporations, and Billionaires like never before have been created, as have Monopolies. We had regulations in place before. Rockefeller was why these regulations were made. At one point he was richer than any nation in World. Social programs and regulations stopped him. Reagen deregulated corporations allowing monopolies like Rockefeller to be made.

Give an example of what industries that have been deregulated in the last 30 years. Its a fallacy that you've been sold.

 

[sk8knight]

Glad u ask.. I hate it.

I respect the consistency.