the language of the left

[_glaciers]

I've noticed a pretty interesting phenomenon with the left, and the way they use language like a hive-mind. they cling to word/phrases that they had never even entertained before. Examples include: collusion, insurrection, in good faith, rule of law, normalize, etc.

my hypothesis is that they see these in their sensationalized news as buzzwords, and the mere utterance is their way of feeling as though they've already made the argument. the smarter ones like @hemightbejeremy i don't see falling into this trap but the pro-pedos like @DaShuckster live for it.

maybe it happens on the right as well, but doesn't seem to be near the same scale.

 

[chemmie]

"I don't like them liberals. They use big words."

 

[PhDee]

I've noticed a pretty interesting phenomenon with the left, and the way they use language like a hive-mind. they cling to word/phrases that they had never even entertained before. Examples include: collusion, insurrection, in good faith, rule of law, normalize, etc.

my hypothesis is that they see these in their sensationalized news as buzzwords, and the mere utterance is their way of feeling as though they've already made the argument. the smarter ones like @hemightbejeremy i don't see falling into this trap but the pro-pedos like @DaShuckster live for it.

maybe it happens on the right as well, but doesn't seem to be near the same scale.

It's called *framing* and *setting the narrative*... An event occurs and large news companies have financial incentives to report it in a certain light.

For example, Trump didn't have dogs as president and the headlines were, "Trump breaks with long standing American tradition of having a pet"

It's comparable to Trump saying "fake news" or "witch hunt".

 

[DaShuckster]

It's called *framing* and *setting the narrative*... An event occurs and large news companies have financial incentives to report it in a certain light.

For example, Trump didn't have dogs as president and the headlines were, "Trump breaks with long standing American tradition of having a pet"

How did the MSM 'set the narrative' for Trump's claim that he won last November's election in a landslide and had his win stolen from him?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Happy Hands]

How did the MSM 'set the narrative' for Trump's claim that he won last November's election in a landslide and had his win stolen from him?

Inquiring minds want to know.

They immediately said that his claims were without evidence, refused to interact with anything to the contrary, called anyone concerned with fraud a “conspiracy theorist” and claimed Biden’s victory before the votes were done being counted. Oh and they pushed the idea that Trump was trying to destroy democracy (by going through the same channels that the other side used to change election rules).

They did exactly what they were told. They indeed set the narrative that was given to them months in advance. That was the plan and it worked well.

 

[Knight In TN]

How did the MSM 'set the narrative' for Trump's claim that he won last November's election in a landslide and had his win stolen from him?

Inquiring minds want to know.

It would have (should have) been easy to treat it like a journalist, and be open to the idea that fraud may have occurred.

Just tell people what he’s saying, remind them objectively that no evidence has been presented yet, and move on to the next story.

Instead we got “this is ridiculous and dangerous and completely unacceptable! There’s CLEARLY nothing to see here” before any evidence could have come up.

That attitude towards the story will have a few effects on the people who are willing to believe him right away.

The first and most serious is that it ruins your credibility in their eyes (if they had any to begin with) by dismissing a claim before waiting for evidence to emerge. If evidence does emerge, you have to eat crow, but when it doesn’t you can’t point it out. You’ve been saying the same thing all along. But if you’re open-minded and patient, you can say “we’ve been waiting for this evidence without making a judgment... now we’re ready to move on, because the evidence never materialized.”

The second effect is a consequence of the first. You make it clear you’ve chosen a side opposite those people, and raised the temperature.

 

[Boosted87]

I've noticed a pretty interesting phenomenon with the left, and the way they use language like a hive-mind. they cling to word/phrases that they had never even entertained before. Examples include: collusion, insurrection, in good faith, rule of law, normalize, etc.

my hypothesis is that they see these in their sensationalized news as buzzwords, and the mere utterance is their way of feeling as though they've already made the argument. the smarter ones like @hemightbejeremy i don't see falling into this trap but the pro-pedos like @DaShuckster live for it.

maybe it happens on the right as well, but doesn't seem to be near the same scale.

Considering how often you call people pedo's that's an interesting observation.

I fully agree that in the age of social media phrases go from never used to common language almost overnight. I just don't know how you can exist thinking the scale of this is reduce don the right in some way.

Make America Great Again
FAKE NEWS
"they hate our country"
Drain the swamp!

 

[Crazyhole]

Considering how often you call people pedo's that's an interesting observation.

I fully agree that in the age of social media phrases go from never used to common language almost overnight. I just don't know how you can exist thinking the scale of this is reduce don the right in some way.

Make America Great Again
FAKE NEWS
"they hate our country"
Drain the swamp!

My favorite one so far is "gaslighting". 99% of the time people use it incorrectly, lol.

 

[Knight In TN]

My favorite one so far is "gaslighting". 99% of the time people use it incorrectly, lol.

Lol... gaslighting is misused constantly.

Lying to someone is not gaslighting. Gaslighting is doing something to someone that makes them question their sanity while assuring them it isn’t happening.

 

[Crazyhole]

Lol... gaslighting is misused constantly.

Lying to someone is not gaslighting. Gaslighting is doing something to someone that makes them question their sanity while assuring them it isn’t happening.

I've given up on trying to explain that to people. I laugh every time I hear someone say that the mob attacked the Capitol because Trump gaslit them with his speech. Whatever buddy.

 

[chemmie]

They immediately said that his claims were without evidence, refused to interact with anything to the contrary, called anyone concerned with fraud a “conspiracy theorist” and claimed Biden’s victory before the votes were done being counted.

The first and most serious is that it ruins your credibility in their eyes (if they had any to begin with) by dismissing a claim before waiting for evidence to emerge. If evidence does emerge, you have to eat crow, but when it doesn’t you can’t point it out.

Why do you idiots have such a hard time understanding the burden of proof?

Stop blaming the other guys because you're idiots for believing something with no proof. It isn't their fault you're dumb.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

They immediately said that his claims were without evidence, refused to interact with anything to the contrary, called anyone concerned with fraud a “conspiracy theorist” and claimed Biden’s victory before the votes were done being counted. Oh and they pushed the idea that Trump was trying to destroy democracy (by going through the same channels that the other side used to change election rules).

They did exactly what they were told. They indeed set the narrative that was given to them months in advance. That was the plan and it worked well.

Got dammit, Happy
Trump pulled this shit when he lost
To Lyin' Ted Cruz.

 

[_glaciers]

Considering how often you call people pedo's that's an interesting observation.

I fully agree that in the age of social media phrases go from never used to common language almost overnight. I just don't know how you can exist thinking the scale of this is reduce don the right in some way.

Make America Great Again
FAKE NEWS
"they hate our country"
Drain the swamp!

pedo isn't really a new word, and i've never used it on someone who denounced pedophilia. if i refused to denounce racism, i would fully expect to be accused of the same.

i'll give you "drain the swamp"

"fake news" was coined by the anti-conservative FirstDraft, it just got used against the left more effectively when they had to start retracting news stories, got caught faking protests, getting their asses handed to them in court due to libel/slander, etc.

maga is a campaign slogan, its obviously meant to be repeated.

"they hate our country" isn't really a buzzword/phrase, it's a declaratory statement

 

[_glaciers]

Why do you idiots have such a hard time understanding the burden of proof?

Stop blaming the other guys because you're idiots for believing something with no proof. It isn't their fault you're dumb.

responding to you cuz i feel bad that nobody else will.

you must get interrupted and talked over a lot, huh?

 

[DaShuckster]

How did the MSM 'set the narrative' for Trump's claim that he won last November's election in a landslide and had his win stolen from him?

They immediately said that his claims were without evidence

uh, Happy? His claims WERE without evidence!!!

It would have (should have) been easy to treat it like a journalist, and be open to the idea that fraud may have occurred.

So there are NO Republican investigative journalists in this country? Not a single right-leaning journalist who would have saw this as their 'Woodward and Bernstein' moment and uncovered all this massive voter fraud??!?

Despite 60-plus court cases, recounts, audits, reviews, and Trump's own cybersecurity Director's assertions that this was the most 'secure election in American history,' you guys believe that all these Republican-led states were 'in cahoots' with the Biden team?

You'd think we have more than enough challenges to face as a nation without manufacturing make-believe aggrievements.

 

[chemmie]

responding to you cuz i feel bad that nobody else will.

you must get interrupted and talked over a lot, huh?

Don't blame us because you're an idiot.

 

[_glaciers]

Don't blame us because you're an idiot.

very cool. what's it like being 5'7"?

 

[Happy Hands]

Got dammit, Happy
Trump pulled this shit when he lost
To Lyin' Ted Cruz.

That’s the strategy. I wasn’t giving it a value statement. If I had a team, I would want them to use the media too. As it stands, no one is using the media to divest the government of its existence. Thus, I am a mere spectator of the distraction that is American politics. I think it is supposed to be like the WWE where the heel eventually comes around to being the good guy.

 

[DaShuckster]

very cool. what's it like being 5'7"?

Yikes! When someone calls you an idiot, leave the post alone. For God Sakes, don't prove it!!!

 

[_glaciers]

How did the MSM 'set the narrative' for Trump's claim that he won last November's election in a landslide and had his win stolen from him?
uh, Happy? His claims WERE without evidence!!!
So there are NO Republican investigative journalists in this country? Not a single right-leaning journalist who would have saw this as their 'Woodward and Bernstein' moment and uncovered all this massive voter fraud??!?

Despite 60-plus court cases, recounts, audits, reviews, and Trump's own cybersecurity Director's assertions that this was the most 'secure election in American history,' you guys believe that all these Republican-led states were 'in cahoots' with the Biden team?

You'd think we have more than enough challenges to face as a nation without manufacturing make-believe aggrievements.

willful ignorance is not an excuse

https://seed163.bitchute.com/yVAKkw979LfM/i3vSyPI1clTZ.mp4

 

[_glaciers]

Yikes! When someone calls you an idiot, leave the post alone. For God Sakes, don't prove it!!!

whats the thought process that takes place when putting half a word in italics? you clearly have a discerning eye as your posts read like an elementary school teacher's syllabus.

iNqUirInG mInDs WaNt To KnOw 🤪

 

[DaShuckster]

I think it is supposed to be like the WWE where the heel eventually comes around to being the good guy.

I think one of the problems with our modern, Trump-era politics is that too damn many people watch reality shows like the WWE, The Apprentice, The Bachelor, Big Brother, Survivor, etc., etc., etc. and believe all that stupid shit is real.

 

[Boosted87]

My favorite one so far is "gaslighting". 99% of the time people use it incorrectly, lol.

My personal new favorite term is "stochastic terrorism." I think that's a pretty cool phrase and describes something I didn't have a word for, so I'm gonna roll with that one.

 

[Happy Hands]

How did the MSM 'set the narrative' for Trump's claim that he won last November's election in a landslide and had his win stolen from him?
uh, Happy? His claims WERE without evidence!!!

Both Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein were convicted with far less evidence. Something like 1000 sworn affidavits is maybe worth looking into. I get though, Trump was never supposed to have won 2016. The power brokers had to get him out. That’s the way it goes. Trump was a fun ride. Closest thing I’ll probably get to seeing President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.

 

[Boosted87]

pedo isn't really a new word, and i've never used it on someone who denounced pedophilia. if i refused to denounce racism, i would fully expect to be accused of the same.

i'll give you "drain the swamp"

"fake news" was coined by the anti-conservative FirstDraft, it just got used against the left more effectively when they had to start retracting news stories, got caught faking protests, getting their asses handed to them in court due to libel/slander, etc.

maga is a campaign slogan, its obviously meant to be repeated.

"they hate our country" isn't really a buzzword/phrase, it's a declaratory statement

The point is the right has plenty of sloganeering. Maybe it's culturally different than the left - I think that's probably true - but I think it's a product of this era.

 

[Happy Hands]

I think one of the problems with our modern, Trump-era politics is that too damn many people watch reality shows like the WWE, The Apprentice, The Bachelor, Big Brother, Survivor, etc., etc., etc. and believe all that stupid shit is real.

It’s probably as real as anything we see in government. At least as it is filtered through our media. If you are mad at Biden for saying Trump shouldn’t get briefings or mad at Trump for a mean tweet, then you probably aren’t paying very close attention to actual policy.

 

[DaShuckster]

Both Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein were convicted with far less evidence. Something like 1000 sworn affidavits is maybe worth looking into.

1000 sworn affidavits tell you massive voter fraud occurred in an election involving 150 million Americans? You know what? I'm betting the house that those 1000 sworn affidavits WERE looked into! You can bet your bottom dollar that if a single one of them contained clear-cut evidence of voter fraud, it would have been put in front of a judge who would have looked into it further.

The reality is that these affidavits involved poll watchers who didn't feel they were allowed within their state's court-ordered distance to observe the action or observations of other perceived "illegal" actions taken within a voting precinct. But there's a Grand Canyon-wide difference between technical violations within a voting precinct and outright voter fraud.

I've attached an article on the subject that I found interesting from a Republican poll watcher in Alabama.

Why the Affidavits do not Prove Voter Fraud

I have read many of the affidavits that were filed following the 2020 election, and I have come to the conclusion that these affidavits do NOT prove that fraud occurred. This is not just...

www.increasinglearning.com

 

[_glaciers]

1000 sworn affidavits tell you massive voter fraud occurred in an election involving 150 million Americans? You know what? I'm betting the house that those 1000 sworn affidavits WERE looked into! You can bet your bottom dollar that if a single one of them contained clear-cut evidence of voter fraud, it would have been put in front of a judge who would have looked into it further.

just so we're clear, you're arguing that something that impacted a small percentage of the population isn't significant enough to be taken seriously.

🤣 🤣 🤣

 

[Happy Hands]

1000 sworn affidavits tell you massive voter fraud occurred in an election involving 150 million Americans? You know what? I'm betting the house that those 1000 sworn affidavits WERE looked into! You can bet your bottom dollar that if a single one of them contained clear-cut evidence of voter fraud, it would have been put in front of a judge who would have looked into it further.

The reality is that these affidavits involved poll watchers who didn't feel they were allowed within their state's court-ordered distance to observe the action or observations of other perceived "illegal" actions taken within a voting precinct. But there's a Grand Canyon-wide difference between technical violations within a voting precinct and outright voter fraud.

I've attached an article on the subject that I found interesting from a Republican poll watcher in Alabama.

Why the Affidavits do not Prove Voter Fraud

I have read many of the affidavits that were filed following the 2020 election, and I have come to the conclusion that these affidavits do NOT prove that fraud occurred. This is not just...

www.increasinglearning.com

I’m sure some of the affidavits are B.S., that’s sort of standard with complaints and elections. I’m more interested in that ones that allege voter coaching, intimidation, ballots coming in late or under weird circumstances etc.

I couldn’t do much with the article. I’m sure the guy believes what he wrote, it was just too vague and dismissive of all the affidavits as if they all dealt with what happened to him.

I don’t know if there was fraud, I just want to see an honest conversation about it take place. I also doubt just about every official account our government has ever given us about anything, so this isn’t much different.

 

[DaShuckster]

I’m sure some of the affidavits are B.S., that’s sort of standard with complaints and elections. I’m more interested in that ones that allege voter coaching, intimidation, ballots coming in late or under weird circumstances etc.

I couldn’t do much with the article. I’m sure the guy believes what he wrote, it was just too vague and dismissive of all the affidavits as if they all dealt with what happened to him.

I don’t know if there was fraud, I just want to see an honest conversation about it take place. I also doubt just about every official account our government has ever given us about anything, so this isn’t much different.

You had the POTUS saying over and over BEFORE the election that the only way he'd lose was by voter fraud. (By the way, the exact same thing he said leading up to the 2016 election.) Then you had the POTUS saying it AFTER the election.

If you want an honest conversation, where is your evidence? You seriously want to thwart the will of the American People based on what? Some affidavits claiming 'weird' circumstances, and 'late' ballots in an election Biden won by seven million votes and six states? Seriously?

Funny that the Republican's affidavit that I linked was "too vague and dismissive" but somehow an entire election should be put on pause because of similar affidavits? I get it, your guy lost. That happens to some people every election. What made this one different is that the losing candidate couldn't handle losing so he made excuses to get people like you riled up.

 

[Crazyhole]

You had the POTUS saying over and over BEFORE the election that the only way he'd lose was by voter fraud. (By the way, the exact same thing he said leading up to the 2016 election.) Then you had the POTUS saying it AFTER the election.

If you want an honest conversation, where is your evidence? You seriously want to thwart the will of the American People based on what? Some affidavits claiming 'weird' circumstances, and 'late' ballots in an election Biden won by seven million votes and six states? Seriously?

Funny that the Republican's affidavit that I linked was "too vague and dismissive" but somehow an entire election should be put on pause because of similar affidavits? I get it, your guy lost. That happens to some people every election. What made this one different is that the losing candidate couldn't handle losing so he made excuses to get people like you riled up.

You still don't see the forest for the trees.

As soon as somebody came forward and said "hey, something about this doesn't seem right", your immediate reaction was to dismiss it, not consider the possibility of it being true. It's not surprising that you believe nothing happened, because you went into it with the bias that nothing happened.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

I’m sure some of the affidavits are B.S., that’s sort of standard with complaints and elections. I’m more interested in that ones that allege voter coaching, intimidation, ballots coming in late or under weird circumstances etc.

I couldn’t do much with the article. I’m sure the guy believes what he wrote, it was just too vague and dismissive of all the affidavits as if they all dealt with what happened to him.

I don’t know if there was fraud, I just want to see an honest conversation about it take place. I also doubt just about every official account our government has ever given us about anything, so this isn’t much different.

Some were definitely BS. The Trump lawyers admitted that they couldn’t sort the BS from the real ones before they were all tossed. Mainly because they offered a reward and solicited them through a website. They got a lot of spam apparently.

 

[_glaciers]

You had the POTUS saying over and over BEFORE the election that the only way he'd lose was by voter fraud. (By the way, the exact same thing he said leading up to the 2016 election.) Then you had the POTUS saying it AFTER the election.

so by your logic, warning about something happening nullifies the actual happening? so if you had warned about what happened at the Capitol on Jan 6, it would all be a false happening because you implied it would happen?

If you want an honest conversation, where is your evidence? You seriously want to thwart the will of the American People based on what? Some affidavits claiming 'weird' circumstances, and 'late' ballots in an election Biden won by seven million votes and six states? Seriously?

Funny that the Republican's affidavit that I linked was "too vague and dismissive" but somehow an entire election should be put on pause because of similar affidavits? I get it, your guy lost. That happens to some people every election. What made this one different is that the losing candidate couldn't handle losing so he made excuses to get people like you riled up.

the evidence is literally in my signature. because you can't be bothered to read, at least watch this video: https://seed163.bitchute.com/yVAKkw979LfM/i3vSyPI1clTZ.mp4

 

[DaShuckster]

You still don't see the forest for the trees. As soon as somebody came forward and said "hey, something about this doesn't seem right", your immediate reaction was to dismiss it, not consider the possibility of it being true. It's not surprising that you believe nothing happened, because you went into it with the bias that nothing happened.

When somebody wants me to believe something, they give me some compelling reasons to trust in what they're saying. When I hear Trump saying his 'landslide victory' was 'stolen' from him, I'd appreciate knowing where all the smoking guns were (since it was going to take a series of massive voter fraud events to overturn Biden's commanding win.)

Where was it??!?

A bunch of affidavits from Trumpets? THAT's the best Trump lawyers could come up with? Hell, this board was full of bullshit 'exposes' about the voting machines. Funny thing, Fox and Newsmax scrambled to offer disclaimers once they got wind they were likely to be sued.

I find it hilarious that you charge ME with bias when YOU have offered nothing other than, 'well you went into it with bias' as if you were totally unbiased and I was supposed to take your word for it that there was massive voter fraud.

 

[Crazyhole]

When somebody wants me to believe something, they give me some compelling reasons to trust in what they're saying. When I hear Trump saying his 'landslide victory' was 'stolen' from him, I'd appreciate knowing where all the smoking guns were (since it was going to take a series of massive voter fraud events to overturn Biden's commanding win.)

Where was it??!?

A bunch of affidavits from Trumpets? THAT's the best Trump lawyers could come up with? Hell, this board was full of bullshit 'exposes' about the voting machines. Funny thing, Fox and Newsmax scrambled to offer disclaimers once they got wind they were likely to be sued.

I find it hilarious that you charge ME with bias when YOU have offered nothing other than, 'well you went into it with bias' as if you were totally unbiased and I was supposed to take your word for it that there was massive voter fraud.

You're only defensive because you know it's true. Did you ever for a second ask yourself whether the voter role thing in Detroit might have some validity?

 

[DaShuckster]

You're only defensive because you know it's true. Did you ever for a second ask yourself whether the voter role thing in Detroit might have some validity?

LOL. Talk about defensive, you didn't answer my question---or are you saying 'the voter roll thing in Detroit' that most of us have never heard about was, in fact, SO HUGE that Joe Biden overcame Trump's landslide victory to win by six EC states and 7+ million votes.

 

[Crazyhole]

LOL. Talk about defensive, you didn't answer my question---or are you saying 'the voter roll thing in Detroit' that most of us have never heard about was, in fact, SO HUGE that Joe Biden overcame Trump's landslide victory to win by six EC states and 7+ million votes.

I think I've been pretty clear from the beginning that it was obvious that Biden won. That doesn't mean I should dismiss any and every claim out of hand because it wouldn't have flipped the election. I'm pretty sure you can't say the same.

 

[Cubs79]

I think I've been pretty clear from the beginning that it was obvious that Biden won. That doesn't mean I should dismiss any and every claim out of hand because it wouldn't have flipped the election. I'm pretty sure you can't say the same.

They weren't dismissed out of hand. They were dismissed because no one ever provided any sort of evidence that indicated they were true.

 

[DaShuckster]

They weren't dismissed out of hand. They were dismissed because no one ever provided any sort of evidence that indicated they were true.

We've gone over this ad nauseum over the past few months. Our Usual Suspects here refuse to acknowledge the simple logic of your response.

Instead, we're supposed to believe that if the nation hadn't dismissed their complaints out-of-hand, THEN all this juicy evidence of massive voter fraud would have magically surfaced by golly!

It's like a whole damn group of right-wing Jesse Smolletts P'O'ed because the nation is dismissing their massive voter fraud claims without taking them seriously. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! 🙄

 

[Cubs79]

We've gone over this ad nauseum over the past few months. Our Usual Suspects here refuse to acknowledge the simple logic of your response.

Instead, we're supposed to believe that if the nation hadn't dismissed their complaints out-of-hand, THEN all this juicy evidence of massive voter fraud would have magically surfaced by golly!

It's like a whole damn group of right-wing Jesse Smolletts P'O'ed because the nation is dismissing their massive voter fraud claims without taking them seriously. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! 🙄

Yep. For some reason they don't understand that at some point they need evidence to support their claims. This is precisely why so many fall into the conspiracy camps, because they simply believe anything they "want" to be true has validity, even if there is no evidence to support it.