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Per Sports Illustrated, Oklahoma's president said Wednesday the Big 12’s media rights deal would allow the league to add schools without anyone having to cut their share. “The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren told The Oklahoman. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars."
 
Theory on GOL AD job.
B12 already has a wink and a nod agreement with UCF and Cincy, and may be looking at 2 more. Thus many of the rumors seen. Stansbury got his dream gig at a bad time with negotiations either in early stages or about to begin.

New AD likely would not have started before August, maybe even Sept. Rather than have new guy step into the middle of things. Give GOL the job on intern basis (basically 6 mos) to settle things.

Of course the other possibility is..." WE ARE DOOMED!"
 
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Theory on GOL AD job.
B12 already has a wink and a nod agreement with UCF and Cincy, and may be looking at 2 more. Thus many of the rumors seen. Stansbury got his dream gig at a bad time with negotiations either in early stages or about to begin.

New AD likely would not have started before August, maybe even Sept. Rather than have new guy step into the middle of things. Give GOL the job on intern basis (basically 6 mos) to settle things.

Of course the other possibility is..." WE ARE DOOMED!"

Like your thought about keeping GOL close in loop and not letting
a new AD get in the middle of progress.

Not convinced that they will go to 14. From my perspective UCF/USF
is best choice. If they go to 14 they will bring in CINN and decide
between BYU (with its limitations) and Memphis with its limitations.
But it's not over until the fat lady sings (Doomed?)
 
Like your thought about keeping GOL close in loop and not letting
a new AD get in the middle of progress.

Not convinced that they will go to 14. From my perspective UCF/USF
is best choice. If they go to 14 they will bring in CINN and decide
between BYU (with its limitations) and Memphis with its limitations.
But it's not over until the fat lady sings (Doomed?)
I agree KV82, the UCF/USF package has the most bang for the buck. The presence in FLA, the HUGE TV Market of Orlando-Tampa, The $$$$ that will come in from the fans, the games, the Rivalry. The UCF-USF package is the deal! Cinn...eh! Also, think of the game day crowds at UCF and USF games! Full stadiums. Also the clothing and logo revenues! JMHO
 
Memphis situation is quite amazing. Corporations are lining up with up with wheel barrels full of cash. Damn does FedEx have deep pockets! The momentum in the media for Memphis has really been surprising. Doesn't appear they are asleep at the wheel this time around. Wow!
 
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Memphis situation is quite amazing. Corporations are lining up with up with wheel barrels full of cash. Damn does FedEx have deep pockets! The momentum in the media for Memphis has really been surprising. Doesn't appear they are asleep at the wheel this time around. Wow!

Unless these corporations are offering to subsidize Memphis' membership in the B12 year after year for at least 10-20 years, I don;t see how this would matter. So, FedEx throws several million at the B12 to take Memphis, that still doesn't make up for the Tiger's shortfalls in local and state TV market.
 
It's so funny to see folks online
I agree KV82, the UCF/USF package has the most bang for the buck. The presence in FLA, the HUGE TV Market of Orlando-Tampa, The $$$$ that will come in from the fans, the games, the Rivalry. The UCF-USF package is the deal! Cinn...eh! Also, think of the game day crowds at UCF and USF games! Full stadiums. Also the clothing and logo revenues! JMHO

USF has pretty much played their way out of contention for a spot. The Big12 must be intrigued by the market, but the program is nothing short of a disaster. Genshafted.
 
If the Big 12 takes 4 schools it would be foreshadowing Texahoma leaving. Texas & Oklahoma just don't want to leave a mess behind.
 
Absolutely stupid to take 2 Florida teams within spitting distance of each other- no need. IT would be as dumb as taking Cincy and Miami (Ohio). You take 1 you get both markets. You take 1 Florida team and 1 from Ohio- two big areas.
 
Agreed, lets leave duh*bulls off this conversation. They just bring everything down and that program is cursed... #genshafted
 
Absolutely stupid to take 2 Florida teams within spitting distance of each other- no need. IT would be as dumb as taking Cincy and Miami (Ohio). You take 1 you get both markets. You take 1 Florida team and 1 from Ohio- two big areas.
Respectfully disagree. Why is Orlando going to watch Da Bulls? Why would they watch UCF? There are some alumni in each city BUT......combine the two schools and you have a statewide market and draw!
 
The UCF/USF package deal doesn't work when one team is looking really good and full of potential and the other team can barely keep it together. Unlike USF, we'll continue to play them in out of conference anyway.. so the rivalry will stick but the B12 doesn't have to worry about them. If this happens.. I gotta say Cincy and UCF. Memphis is really surprising and making a push which has me a bit concerned.
 
Respectfully disagree. Why is Orlando going to watch Da Bulls? Why would they watch UCF? There are some alumni in each city BUT......combine the two schools and you have a statewide market and draw!

They're watching the big name team playing the other Fla team. Have 2 Fla, you lose out on a new market, especially with the Tier 3 games.

Besides, usf has what 20 fans, UCF has 30-40,000 and there's a huge group of them who would watch a Big 12 game with usf and Texas or whoever, if that's what's locally playing. You get both markets or at least a generous chunk of the rival's market. You don't need both.
 
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Respectfully disagree. Why is Orlando going to watch Da Bulls? Why would they watch UCF? There are some alumni in each city BUT......combine the two schools and you have a statewide market and draw!

Because rivals seemingly always watch the other...hoping that they lose...especially those that are in the SAME division of their conf.

Ever see/hear comments by Auburn fans during or after Alabama plays (maybe even loses)?

Ever go to a sports bar and here FSU fans cheer a bad play by UF?

Ever see the glee of UCF/USF fans when the other lost and/or is losing?

On a much greater scale...do you think only Dallas Cowboy Fans watch Cowboy games? (Hint: Probably almost half of the TV audience tunes in to hopefully watch Dallas LOSE).

Same with Yankee games...(many tune in hoping that they lose).

Now that USF is in UCF's Division...USF games carry more importance and can and does have a direct impact on UCF's future.
 
Per Sports Illustrated, Oklahoma's president said Wednesday the Big 12’s media rights deal would allow the league to add schools without anyone having to cut their share. “The contract says that our main television contract … if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally,” Boren told The Oklahoman. “So everybody’s share stays the same. If it’s ‘X’ dollars, it stays ‘X’ dollars."

In essence this means that the Big 12 AD has been lying all of these years about not wanting expansion because the revenue share would decrease. What an ass!
 
In essence this means that the Big 12 AD has been lying all of these years about not wanting expansion because the revenue share would decrease. What an ass!

Yes and no. The big chunk of the money, the primary TV contract, would not decrease on a per team basis. However payouts from the NCAA tournament credits, Bowl appearances, and the College Football Playoffs, would all pretty much stay the same, but need to be divided among more teams. Those might be offset by the addition of a conference championship game, but then again, with CCG deregulation coming, they might get that game without needing to add teams.
 
Also don't leagues like the Big 12 have primary, secondary, and third level tv contracts? Basically for the different tiers of games? I'm guessing adding 2 teams could decrease the value of one of the lower level deals.
 
Tiger Pride

I am not against Memphis. But if this comes down to a competition between Memphis and UCF...it's no contest.

2013-2014 UCF Local TV Market (Nielsen DMA Rank): #18 in the US (1 better than previous year)
2013-2014 Memphis Local TV Market (Nielsen DMA Rank): #50 in the US (1 worse than previous year)

UCF State TV Market: 7,605,870 TV Households
Memphis State TV Market: 2,496,630 TV Households

2014 UCF Attendance Avg: 37,978
2014 Memphis Attendance Avg: 33,851
 
Tiger Pride

I am not against Memphis. But if this comes down to a competition between Memphis and UCF...it's no contest.

2013-2014 UCF Local TV Market (Nielsen DMA Rank): #18 in the US (1 better than previous year)
2013-2014 Memphis Local TV Market (Nielsen DMA Rank): #50 in the US (1 worse than previous year)

UCF State TV Market: 7,605,870 TV Households
Memphis State TV Market: 2,496,630 TV Households

2014 UCF Attendance Avg: 37,978
2014 Memphis Attendance Avg: 33,851
Big 12 already know the 2 teams it wants. Be interesting if they get aggressive and go 14
 
Also don't leagues like the Big 12 have primary, secondary, and third level tv contracts? Basically for the different tiers of games? I'm guessing adding 2 teams could decrease the value of one of the lower level deals.


Tier 1 and 2 are in the big contract, but since Big 12 doesn't have it's own network each school sells and keeps the money from Tier 3, so adding teams will do nothing for the conference at all since the TV deal will increase. That is unless the conference comes up with a money sharing tier 3 proposal, which Texas will kill since they are the only ones with a TV channel and won't want to share (BYU is the same if they are added).
 
Is he trying to force something or just tired of all the leaks coming from W. Virginia and wants some attention. Someone on here guessed July 1 will be the official announcement, someone should set up a betting board. Just announce something and get it over! Fan support- we're #2 or really 3 behind ECU and BYU, but is ECU really on anyone's radar?
 
Is he trying to force something or just tired of all the leaks coming from W. Virginia and wants some attention.
The way I read the tea leaves is that Oklahoma wants a Big12 Network and they want to expand into the media markets that will make such a thing even more lucrative. Texas wants no part of that. The LHN, as big of a disaster as it is for ESPN, has made Texas the 2nd (I believe) highest in revenue (only behind ND).
The rest of the Big12 are dancing with 2 bears. Usually they can just appease Texas and Oklahoma, but right now they don't line up and they have to choose sides.
It's going to get ugly. If Oklahoma doesn't get their way, I'm sure they have a standing offer with the PAC (maybe with OKSt). If Texas's hand is forced, they may just go independent.
 
Bearcat 247 board realignment person
The Big 12 has been talking to several schools for several months now. Recently UCF didn't do themselves any favors by talking too much in public.
Negotiations have involved many, are rather complicated, and have already lasted for much longer than some expected. I was more than convinced the Big 12's decision would have come a few months ago, however much has changed and continues to change.
I am very intrigued to see the final plan, however this is the Big 12, and it may end up being no plan at all.
 
Bearcat 247 board realignment person


2 or 3 statements geared to selling more season tickets is hardly "talking too much". Someone has a lot of wishful thinking. What a stupid statement! So an AD and coach (who by the way said nothing he hasn't said every year "they're looking", will turn a conference away from looking at Florida, because there'd be no other reason to want a footprint in that state. By the way, there's been endless talk about several schools being target over the last year, so I guess that eliminates them- SO the Big 12 must be ready to welcome Georgia Southern and Apalachia St.
 
If someone from the B12 and ESPN got together and ran some numbers, perhaps Texas could even be convinced to change their mind (not likely, but at least possible).

Right now, there are 13,721,870 TV households in the B12 footprint and 102,088,870 TV households outside the B12 footprint. Even using VERY conservative estimates, That would result in over $21.5 Million in revenue per school per year for a potential B12 network. I realize you have to take out operating expenses and ESPN's share of the profit and those are the things I have no idea about so I have no way to estimate them. But the numbers at least seem worth looking into.

If you add UCF and Cincinnati there would be 25,808,540 TV households in the B12 footprint and 90,002,200 TV households outside the B12 footprint. Using the same conservative assumptions, that would result in $25.3 million in revenue per school. That's right, adding UCF and Cincinnati adds at least $3.8 million per school to a potential B12 network, even though you are splitting it among more schools. And looking at those numbers it seems likely that most schools would make more Tier 3 money from a conference network than selling their Tier 3 rights individually.

Again, it all depends on how much of that money goes toward the network operating expenses and ESPN's share of the profit.
 
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