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This one's on Frost - no Plan B

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now it's multiple games where we were out coached in the 2nd half....no adjustments and, even worse, no Plan B....this program is close but the frosh qb and rookie coach make it difficult to win in crunch time....hopefully the qb and coach will grow up and we'll win these games next year

but this year, frosh qb was a deer in the headlights by the end of Q3....Frost needed an alternative and didn't have it....he needed to coach this program up and develop alternatives this year....unfortunately he hasn't and that's on him...
 
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Down 7 why Frost didnt tell the defense to let Houston score during the last minute is beyond me.
 
now it's multiple games where we were out coached in the 2nd half....no adjustments and, even worse, no Plan B....this program is close but the frosh qb and rookie coach make it difficult to win in crunch time....hopefully the qb and coach will grow up and we'll win these games next year

but this year, frosh qb was a deer in the headlights by the end of Q3....Frost needed an alternative and didn't have it....he needed to coach this program up and develop alternatives this year....unfortunately he hasn't and that's on him...

No analysis of any meaning. Relax.
 
that criticism is warranted for Temple and the close call at UCONN but it's easier to get outcoached in the 2nd half when Houston has 4 and 5 stars on their defense blowing up our Oline every 1st down in that 2nd half

Herman has talent
 
relax? sure enough boss! in the meantime it's time for the coach to develop a Plan B for this offense....

Yes R E L A X. This is the most explosive and exciting O (in glimpses granted) except for the FB year and this far from our worst season.....even if we lose out. Truth.
 
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Nothing makes blowing a 21 point lead acceptable. This team could have been in the drivers seat for the east if not for inexcusable second half "Miltdowns"
 
now it's multiple games where we were out coached in the 2nd half....no adjustments and, even worse, no Plan B....this program is close but the frosh qb and rookie coach make it difficult to win in crunch time....hopefully the qb and coach will grow up and we'll win these games next year

but this year, frosh qb was a deer in the headlights by the end of Q3....Frost needed an alternative and didn't have it....he needed to coach this program up and develop alternatives this year....unfortunately he hasn't and that's on him...

You are 100% correct, perhaps "out coached in the second half," and "no adjustments" need further explanation to some of our slower minded friends, but I agree with and understand exactly what you said.
 
You are 100% correct, perhaps "out coached in the second half," and "no adjustments" need further explanation to some of our slower minded friends, but I agree with and understand exactly what you said.
How many adjustments do you expect on drives that never get started because of turnovers?
 
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How many adjustments do you expect on drives that never get started because of turnovers?

I guess what I'm trying to say is make some adjustments to roll Milton outside the pocket to give him more time. That could have possibly prevented three of the four turnovers. The O-line in the second half reverted to its old self, and unfortunately the D got gassed because they were always on the field and primarily defending against short drives.
 
I guess what I'm trying to say is make some adjustments to roll Milton outside the pocket to give him more time. That could have possibly prevented three of the four turnovers. The O-line in the second half reverted to its old self, and unfortunately the D got gassed because they were always on the field and primarily defending against short drives.

You can't roll out when you're getting chased out before you can do a design rollout. Milton did fumble on a roll out when he knocked the ball off his knee.
 
Their players stepped up and beat our players in the second half man to man. Some was our own mistakes. Some was them just beating us.

We didn't play particularly well in the first half. We took advantage of their mistakes. The D played well but turnovers are such a game changer it sometimes over rates a unit O or D. Not taking away from our D but some of the turnovers were just Houston mistakes.
 
You can't roll out when you're getting chased out before you can do a design rollout. Milton did fumble on a roll out when he knocked the ball off his knee.

You must have seen a different game than I saw. They only had two designed roll-outs the entire game. That fumble "off his knee" that you referenced as a designed roll out was not a roll out, but rather when the pocket collapsed and Milton tried to evade the rush, that was not a designed roll out.
 
Yes R E L A X. This is the most explosive and exciting O (in glimpses granted) except for the FB year and this far from our worst season.....even if we lose out. Truth.

(in glimpses granted)?....even if we lose out?....thanks for your great insight boss....the Truth is we would have won two (maybe three) of the games we've lost if our rookie coach was better prepared to handle second half adjustments...if he had the answers we'd be in control of our division....he doesn't and we don't and that's the Truth...

Another Truth is that football is a 60 minute not a 30 minute game...and our rookie coach has some learning to do....to prepare this team for 60 minute games.....
 
You must have seen a different game than I saw. They only had two designed roll-outs the entire game. That fumble "off his knee" that you referenced as a designed roll out was not a roll out, but rather when the pocket collapsed and Milton tried to evade the rush, that was not a designed roll out.

i agree with this and your pevious post nesta....the other thing I'd like to see is a couple of Patti plays (or Holman plays) where they come in for a series or two and change our predictable offense....both players have strengths....Patti throws short passes accurately (something Milton had difficulty with today) and Holman can run the ball and mix in a deep throw......and we should use em to give these "halftime adjusted D's" a new look....besides, couldn't be worse that a deer in the headlights frosh qb running in the wrong direction on half of his 2nd half scrambles.....

again, I like the kid long term (when he's bigger with better arm stength and accuracy) but we're talking about losing when we should've won this year...and the rookie coach should have prepared for this...
 
I too was wanting more roll outs and stuff to counter act the blitz but this season we are still struggling with our old enemy the running game.

You can't play one dimensional football and win consistently. Play calling won't win the big games if you can't run the ball. This is what we need to fix between this season and next.

Houston is probably the most talented team we will face all season on both sides of the ball and our guys fought gallantly. If we win 7 games, we've had a great season considering everything.
 
I share in the disappointment and frustration voiced here today. But after cooling off, yes I was pretty upset earlier, I must say we are making great strides. With that in mind, I will list a few suggestions of where we can improve in game strategy, play calling, etc. (I will not list obvious needs in terms of better execution)
1. On offense, to counter blitzes, we must run hot pass routes, i.e. quick slants and short crosses.
2. We must have more diversity in our formations. We are very predictable with our wideout and double wideout formations. We need more slot, double slot, wing and double wing formations. More formations make it harder to for D to prepare and these formations provide many more options for plays in space.
3. We need more motion plays, especially creating overloads to one side.
4. We need to pass on first down sometimes. Avoid being predictable.
5. Run overload routes, including curl, cross, out, post and flag routes which flood one half of the field, with proper spacing of routes of course. This leads to the QB having multiple options in one view frame.
6. Stop running to the short side of the field. We do not have the blocking to execute that this year. Defenses are getting to the sideline before the play consistently when we run this. We are bottling up our playmakers and helping the defense with these play calls.
7. Give other RB's a chance. They are all skilled and have different skill sets. Today we needed the skills of our best straight line, one cut RBs. Our best ones did not get on the field today, or in some cases, have not played much this season. Put in the personnel based upon situation not based upon habit.
8. Run reverses, counters and misdirection plays to use the defense's speed and pursuit against them.

In essence, we have very good athletes on the field and Frost has done well to attract even more complimentary talent. Now we just have to always be strategic in how we deploy our playmakers because we are not the only team that has lots of talent.
 
You must have seen a different game than I saw. They only had two designed roll-outs the entire game. That fumble "off his knee" that you referenced as a designed roll out was not a roll out, but rather when the pocket collapsed and Milton tried to evade the rush, that was not a designed roll out.

Never said it was a design roll. It was a roll out as he was chased out of pocket. And he fumbled. That's the point. There is no perfect solution.
 
Some of out fans are just stupid. Instead of being happy that we were in the running against a team everyone had us pegged as destroying us they are mad that we are not in the running for a championship. Frost is making lemonade out of lemons. Our team is overachieving. the real problem is that we don't have enough depth and it shows in the second half. We cannot sustain our game 4 quarters. It is not out coaching otherwise it would not be the same every game. Tell me again how many true freshmen are playing?
 
(in glimpses granted)?....even if we lose out?....thanks for your great insight boss....the Truth is we would have won two (maybe three) of the games we've lost if our rookie coach was better prepared to handle second half adjustments...if he had the answers we'd be in control of our division....he doesn't and we don't and that's the Truth...

Another Truth is that football is a 60 minute not a 30 minute game...and our rookie coach has some learning to do....to prepare this team for 60 minute games.....

Yes if we lose out. GOL had 2 4-8/&5-7 plus 2 winless. And even this season at 4-8 would be better than all of those (if we lose out).
 
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Some of out fans are just stupid. Instead of being happy that we were in the running against a team everyone had us pegged as destroying us they are mad that we are not in the running for a championship. Frost is making lemonade out of lemons. Our team is overachieving. the real problem is that we don't have enough depth and it shows in the second half. We cannot sustain our game 4 quarters. It is not out coaching otherwise it would not be the same every game. Tell me again how many true freshmen are playing?

And how you're out coached when your team can hold onto the ball for more than three straight snaps. (Exaggerating for those of no sense of humor)
 
now it's multiple games where we were out coached in the 2nd half....no adjustments and, even worse, no Plan B....this program is close but the frosh qb and rookie coach make it difficult to win in crunch time....hopefully the qb and coach will grow up and we'll win these games next year

but this year, frosh qb was a deer in the headlights by the end of Q3....Frost needed an alternative and didn't have it....he needed to coach this program up and develop alternatives this year....unfortunately he hasn't and that's on him...
Ya know the poor tackling is really bad. That's coaching.

We do have a senior who might have done better in some instances...let's give the freshman a sideline break.

Blocking is almost a s bad as the coach K days....absolutely terrible. Ahhhh :-(
 
I'm still trying to figure out how they gave Houston that INT that bounced like crazy off the turf on a review. Terrible call that handed Houston a ton of momentum.
 
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Anyone who was around to watch a Kruz UCF game understands the 4th quarter flop. It was a hallmark of our program. Our #1s would hang with anyone for 21/2 quarters then fade at the end because the 1s would get tired and out 2s couple not compete. This is where ww are The only difference now is that may of our 1s are freshman. Bodes well for the future.
 
I'm still trying to figure out how they gave Houston that INT that bounced like crazy off the turf on a review. Terrible call that handed Houston a ton of momentum.
Guys hand was between the ground and the ball. It's like when you're playing volleyball and dive and lay out with the palm of your hand down so it "bounces" off of it.
 
Guys hand was between the ground and the ball. It's like when you're playing volleyball and dive and lay out with the palm of your hand down so it "bounces" off of it.
I thought it bounced. It certainly wasn't indisputable evidence to overturn the call on the field
 
Nothing makes blowing a 21 point lead acceptable. This team could have been in the drivers seat for the east if not for inexcusable second half "Miltdowns"
Lol you and @Knight_Light are ridiculous. You really think Houston was going to drop 3 of 4 especially to an upstart program coming from 0-12? You really think we've never been up this much and blew it?
 
Lol you and @Knight_Light are ridiculous. You really think Houston was going to drop 3 of 4 especially to an upstart program coming from 0-12? You really think we've never been up this much and blew it?

Sorry but it's not ridiculous. The first half and the second half looked like two different teams. To expect consistent play in both halves simply is not ridiculous. If the coaches players and fans are content to lose by a small margin against a good team on the road, then we will always be "small-time." Remember the UCF slogan "aim for the stars?" To me that means a little more than taking home moral victories. Coach Frost will eventually be outstanding, as will Milton, but it's not going to be because they accept results like we witnessed today, without making changes to ensure they don't happen again. Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it's failures.
 
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One last thing, did anyone else notice that Milton was telegraphing the plays? If it was going to be a run, just prior to the snap he would chew on half of his mouthpiece, if it was going to be a pass he would fully insert his mouthpiece into his mouth.
 
You really think we've never been up this much and blew it?

No...UCF has never been up by 21 pts on anyone at the Div I-A level and lost a game.

Also, UCF's blown 18 pt lead vs Temple, before today, tied for the worst blown lead loss in Div I-A loss every by UCF. (Tied with 18 pt blown lead loss to Syracuse in 2002).

So in just a few weeks...UCF set a record for worst blown lead ever in a loss and in another game tied their previous record for worst blown lead ever.
 
No...UCF has never been up by 21 pts on anyone at the Div I-A level and lost a game.

Also, UCF's blown 18 pt lead vs Temple, before today, tied for the worst blown lead loss in Div I-A loss every by UCF. (Tied with 18 pt blown lead loss to Syracuse in 2002).

So in just a few weeks...UCF set a record for worst blown lead ever in a loss and in another game tied their previous record for worst blown lead ever.

Yep you never left the GOL ship lol.
 
Guys hand was between the ground and the ball. It's like when you're playing volleyball and dive and lay out with the palm of your hand down so it "bounces" off of it.

Yeah...watching it live it looked like it bounced...but even first replay easily showed how defender had his hand clearly under the ball so it was a good replay call.
 
Sorry but it's not ridiculous. The first half and the second half looked like two different teams. To expect consistent play in both halves simply is not ridiculous. If the coaches players and fans are content to lose by a small margin against a good team on the road, then we will always be "small-time." Remember the UCF slogan "aim for the stars?" To me that means a little more than taking home moral victories. Coach Frost will eventually be outstanding, as will Milton, but it's not going to be because they accept results like we witnessed today, without making changes to ensure they don't happen again. Those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it's failures.
I'm not going to be quick to judge them during the first year. I'll reserve that at the end. If they trend downwards then i can see what youre talking about. If theyre up and down and they lose to teams i expect them to lose to regardless of how fast their offense started, then i'll be fine with it. Its growing pains. Sorry i couldn't see Houston dropping 3 of 4 after their strong start. It wouldve been nice but it is what it is.
 
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