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This time at UCF, Scott Frost won't need to catch lightning in a bottle

This time at UCF, Scott Frost won't need to catch lightning in a bottle​


Feels amazing to have our coach back!!! So much excitement for the season in comparison to the dread that came with having Gus as coach. Knowing that he told McKenzie that his goal was to get back to UCF before it happened is awesome. He's where he's supposed to be and I think he'll be here for a long time!!
 
It's unlikely to be a Nebraska situation (a dying, "legacy" Power 4 school). But it can't be 9 yrs ago, either. Frost brought in a killer system and lucked into a perfect QB for his "Oregon Style" of offense that stunned the AAC. The Big 12 is in some ways the most challenging for a gutted squad of under-experienced and lacked the NIL funds to retain its few stars. Reality check: glance at the confidence levels and expectations on Big 12 websites: for several, anything less than a post-season bid for a national championship will be considered failure. Their Offensive Lines are super-impressive, as are their Edges and QBs!
 
Good read, thanks for the link. Andrea always seems to give us a fair shake.
She's from Orlando and mentors with the Orange County Public Schools. A while back, she was the college football writer for The Sentinel, has received many awards including the 2024 Edward R. Murrow Award for sports reporting and was the 2024 Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) President. Outstanding person and professional journalist.
 
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Scott Frost plays Nebraska's victim again while pretending to take the high road​

Scott Frost gave another interview where he couldn’t help circling back to Nebraska—and blaming others.
 
She's from Orlando and mentors with the Orange County Public Schools. A while back, she was the college football writer for The Sentinel, has received many awards including the 2024 Edward R. Murrow Award for sports reporting and was the 2024 Football Writers Association of America (FWAA) President. Outstanding person and professional journalist.
I recall her being at the Sentinel but didn’t know about the rest. Very interesting, thanks.
 
Husker Tears.... :p :p :p

Scott Frost plays Nebraska's victim again while pretending to take the high road​

Scott Frost gave another interview where he couldn’t help circling back to Nebraska—and blaming others.
I was surprised to see the article was brand new. For 99% of the fandom, Frost is yesterday's news in Huskerland. When somebody (like the author of the linked article) brings him up, it's usually met with "For crying out loud, give it a rest--the Frost era is long gone now."

As I've said here before, if anyone in the forum should be anti-Frost it's me. But I fell in love with what Scott and Mac and the rest of the team did back in the day. What a magical run!!! And now that he and Mac have joined forced again, I'd love to see them turn it around again.

That said, anyone here who thinks Frost had forces working against him at his alma mater is downright delusional.
 
I was surprised to see the article was brand new. For 99% of the fandom, Frost is yesterday's news in Huskerland. When somebody (like the author of the linked article) brings him up, it's usually met with "For crying out loud, give it a rest--the Frost era is long gone now."

As I've said here before, if anyone in the forum should be anti-Frost it's me. But I fell in love with what Scott and Mac and the rest of the team did back in the day. What a magical run!!! And now that he and Mac have joined forced again, I'd love to see them turn it around again.

That said, anyone here who thinks Frost had forces working against him at his alma mater is downright delusional.
Shortly after Frost's hiring by Nebraska, he did an interview in which he said he wished his UCF ring just said "Champions" rather than "National Champions." I get that he would've preferred to have won the national championship by participating in the four-team playoff, but the fact is, we went undefeated and we have the right to at least call ourselves co-national champions for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam. I'd like Frost to get on board with that and start saying that he won a national title while at UCF. Is Frost afraid he'll look bad if he says that? If so, why is he giving a damn what anyone else thinks? It's the truth!
 
Shortly after Frost's hiring by Nebraska, he did an interview in which he said he wished his UCF ring just said "Champions" rather than "National Champions." I get that he would've preferred to have won the national championship by participating in the four-team playoff, but the fact is, we went undefeated and we have the right to at least call ourselves co-national champions for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam. I'd like Frost to get on board with that and start saying that he won a national title while at UCF. Is Frost afraid he'll look bad if he says that? If so, why is he giving a damn what anyone else thinks? It's the truth!
He cashed the NC bonus check he was paid.
 
Shortly after Frost's hiring by Nebraska, he did an interview in which he said he wished his UCF ring just said "Champions" rather than "National Champions." ... the fact is, we went undefeated and we have the right to at least call ourselves co-national champions for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam.
The Knights got a lot of mileage out of that at the time. Especially with the whole DisneyWorld thing. But those AAC days are over and we're in the P4 now in one of the true Big Dawg conferences.

To put it another way, if USF went undefeated in the G5 AAC this year and won their bowl game, would you all recognize their claim to be this year's CFB national champs?
 
Shortly after Frost's hiring by Nebraska, he did an interview in which he said he wished his UCF ring just said "Champions" rather than "National Champions." I get that he would've preferred to have won the national championship by participating in the four-team playoff, but the fact is, we went undefeated and we have the right to at least call ourselves co-national champions for reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam. I'd like Frost to get on board with that and start saying that he won a national title while at UCF. Is Frost afraid he'll look bad if he says that? If so, why is he giving a damn what anyone else thinks? It's the truth!
Look man…UCF had a great season in 2017 but anyone claiming a national championship is a “simple” who doesn’t know a thing about college football. The 2017 UCF team had a total of ONE 1st round draft pick…not on the following draft but on the entire roster. O N E.

Claim a G5 championship if you guys want. That’s all.
 
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The Knights got a lot of mileage out of that at the time. Especially with the whole DisneyWorld thing. But those AAC days are over and we're in the P4 now in one of the true Big Dawg conferences.

To put it another way, if USF went undefeated in the G5 AAC this year and won their bowl game, would you all recognize their claim to be this year's CFB national champs?
The AAC in 2017 with UCF, Houston, and Cincy was alot tougher than the current. People also discredit the fact that 2017 UCF destroyed Maryland on the road a week after Maryland went into Austin and beat a ranked Texas.

Add to that the fact that UCF was the ONLY undefeated team in the country. Now add the transitive property into the equation when considering UCF > Auburn > National Champ & Runner-Up. If usf was UCF in 2017, yes, I'd recognize their, and the NCAA and Colley Matrix's, claim.

You can't compare the current AAC to the 2017 version just like you can't compare the current Pac 12 to the 2023 version. Drastically different.
 
It's unlikely to be a Nebraska situation (a dying, "legacy" Power 4 school). But it can't be 9 yrs ago, either. Frost brought in a killer system and lucked into a perfect QB for his "Oregon Style" of offense that stunned the AAC. The Big 12 is in some ways the most challenging for a gutted squad of under-experienced and lacked the NIL funds to retain its few stars. Reality check: glance at the confidence levels and expectations on Big 12 websites: for several, anything less than a post-season bid for a national championship will be considered failure. Their Offensive Lines are super-impressive, as are their Edges and QBs!
Very true! Especially now with the best players going to the most money. $$$ Championships will be like baseball a bit.
 
The Knights got a lot of mileage out of that at the time. Especially with the whole DisneyWorld thing. But those AAC days are over and we're in the P4 now in one of the true Big Dawg conferences.

To put it another way, if USF went undefeated in the G5 AAC this year and won their bowl game, would you all recognize their claim to be this year's CFB national champs?
If USF goes undefeated in AAC this year and wins the AAC championship game, they won't be in any bowl game. They will be playing for National title in playoffs.
 
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The Knights got a lot of mileage out of that at the time. Especially with the whole DisneyWorld thing. But those AAC days are over and we're in the P4 now in one of the true Big Dawg conferences.

To put it another way, if USF went undefeated in the G5 AAC this year and won their bowl game, would you all recognize their claim to be this year's CFB national champs?
Under your scenario you omit very important criteria. If usf was undefeated, and beat the team (Auburn) that beat both Alabama and Georgia who played in the national championship invitational game, and was ranked #1 by Colley matrix, and was recorded in the official NCAA records as co-champions, then the answer to your revised question is a yes. Of course that will never happen because well…..……they’re usf, and we now have a different format with the playoffs.

P.s. There is no question that UCF would have made the playoffs if they existed at the time, and would have had the opportunity to prove they were the undeniable National Champions.
 
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If USF goes undefeated in AAC this year and wins the AAC championship game, they won't be in any bowl game. They will be playing for National title in playoffs.
When I used USF as a hypothetical, I was assuming they would've played a schedule similar to what the Knights did back in 2017. But if the Bulls went undefeated this year with a schedule that included big road wins at Florida and Miami, you're right.

That said, it will be near-impossible for a G5 team to ever make the new playoffs. And even if one did, a four-game meat grinder tournament will favor the Big Dawg programs with Big Dawgs up-front.
 
When I used USF as a hypothetical, I was assuming they would've played a schedule similar to what the Knights did back in 2017. But if the Bulls went undefeated this year with a schedule that included big road wins at Florida and Miami, you're right.

That said, it will be near-impossible for a G5 team to ever make the new playoffs. And even if one did, a four-game meat grinder tournament will favor the Big Dawg programs with Big Dawgs up-front.
Near impossible? Doesn’t at least one G5 champion have a guaranteed spot in the playoffs?
 
The Knights got a lot of mileage out of that at the time. Especially with the whole DisneyWorld thing. But those AAC days are over and we're in the P4 now in one of the true Big Dawg conferences.

To put it another way, if USF went undefeated in the G5 AAC this year and won their bowl game, would you all recognize their claim to be this year's CFB national champs?
If they were the only undefeated team in Division 1, I would begrudgingly give it to them. However, going forward I would assume there would be more room for them to be in the playoffs. My gripes with the playoffs are that they should all be at neutral sites and at stadiums that get a lot of air travel (Atlanta, Dallas, other major airline hubs).
 
If they were the only undefeated team in Division 1, I would begrudgingly give it to them. However, going forward I would assume there would be more room for them to be in the playoffs.
I'm torn on this issue. On one hand, I believe a football playoff is light years different from basketball's Big Dance. At the highest levels, a CFB season is a physically demanding grind--and a tournament needs to reward those teams that successfully survived it in tough, 'Big Dawg' conferences. The idea that an undefeated G5 team playing a G5 schedule could survive a multiple-game meat grinder is hard for me to imagine.

On the other hand, after the 2017 Knights beat Auburn (assume it was Round One of today's CFP), it would have been exciting to see them 'move on.' That team was led by some dynamic players who were fun to watch and cheer for. Put those kind of ballers on a basketball team, and that Knight squad would've had a shot to win it all. But in a college football tournament, I question we had the linemen on either side of the LOS who could've held up against the likes of Alabama and Ohio State. I think everything worked out the best for UCF back then.
 
I'm torn on this issue. On one hand, I believe a football playoff is light years different from basketball's Big Dance. At the highest levels, a CFB season is a physically demanding grind--and a tournament needs to reward those teams that successfully survived it in tough, 'Big Dawg' conferences. The idea that an undefeated G5 team playing a G5 schedule could survive a multiple-game meat grinder is hard for me to imagine.

On the other hand, after the 2017 Knights beat Auburn (assume it was Round One of today's CFP), it would have been exciting to see them 'move on.' That team was led by some dynamic players who were fun to watch and cheer for. Put those kind of ballers on a basketball team, and that Knight squad would've had a shot to win it all. But in a college football tournament, I question we had the linemen on either side of the LOS who could've held up against the likes of Alabama and Ohio State. I think everything worked out the best for UCF back then.
I'm so tired of the "Big Dawg" conference talk. People are quick to forget that UCF moved up to a "Big Dawg" conference (Big East) in 2013, then proceeded to win it in our very first year. Then spanked Big 12 champ Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl.

Even though we were relegated back to G5 after that year cause the Big East/AAC lost its AQ status, UCF wasn't your typical G5. We've always had top talent even back in our independent days. Which is why we were defeating your defending champion Nebraska Cornhuskers in 1997 at halftime.

We should have beat numerous SEC and ACC teams during those days. Depth was our problem. However, by 2017, after climbing the ladder through multiple conferences and having just won a BCS game a few seasons prior, we had enough depth and talent to beat ANY team in the country.

2017 UCF Football would have had a shot to win the College Football Playoff that season if given a chance. We had the "ballers" and we had the lineman to beat Bama, Ohio State, or anybody else you'd like to hypothetically speak of.
 
The Knights got a lot of mileage out of that at the time. Especially with the whole DisneyWorld thing. But those AAC days are over and we're in the P4 now in one of the true Big Dawg conferences.

To put it another way, if USF went undefeated in the G5 AAC this year and won their bowl game, would you all recognize their claim to be this year's CFB national champs?
If a selector chose them #1 (how College football National tiles have always been awarded). They can claim it and NCAA will recognize it, so would I.
 
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I'm so tired of the "Big Dawg" conference talk.
UCF's last six years in the AAC = 59-17
UCF's first two years in the Big XII = 10-15
If a selector chose them #1 (how College football National tiles have always been awarded). They can claim it and NCAA will recognize it, so would I.
I don't disagree. I was talking in generalities. I meant no disrespect to that incredible 2017 squad.
 
Are you denying there's also a big difference between playing in the Big XII versus the AAC?
Not for a "not typical" G5 like UCF was. Gus Malzahn is thee and only reason we've stunk it up in the Big 12 so far. We've already proven how competitive we could be right away in a power conference by winning the Big East our first year in. Penn State, top 10 Louisville, top 10 Baylor, and top 10 South Carolina all felt what I'm saying in 2013.
 
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Not for a "not typical" G5 like UCF was. Gus Malzahn is thee and only reason we've stunk it up in the Big 12 so far. We've already proven how competitive we could be right away in a power conference by winning the Big East our first year in. Penn State, top 10 Louisville, top 10 Baylor, and top 10 South Carolina all felt what I'm saying in 2013.
The jump up in Football wasn’t as drastic as Tik Tok Terry claims, it was just an excuse to cover for Gus. He really was the worst coach to hire for the transition.

That excuse is valid for the Basketball Program but it shouldn’t be for Football and Baseball after a few years.
 
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We've already proven how competitive we could be right away in a power conference by winning the Big East our first year in.
You're going to tout UCF in the 'power conference' Big East??!? Oh, you mean Year 1 of the AAC!!! Ooookay. :rolleyes:

One of the reasons some programs fail in a new conference is because they don't believe they need to change, e.g. successful before so successful now. One of the reasons I initially applauded Malzahn's hire is because he was well-positioned to retool the Knights for the new, long-haul realities they would face in the Big XII. I was wrong.

For whatever the reasons, (most likely the realities of NIL) he sucked and bailed on the program when he realized they weren't going to fire him. Talk about a head coach with zero faith in his program.
 
You're going to tout UCF in the 'power conference' Big East??!? Oh, you mean Year 1 of the AAC!!! Ooookay. :rolleyes:

One of the reasons some programs fail in a new conference is because they don't believe they need to change, e.g. successful before so successful now. One of the reasons I initially applauded Malzahn's hire is because he was well-positioned to retool the Knights for the new, long-haul realities they would face in the Big XII. I was wrong.

For whatever the reasons, (most likely the realities of NIL) he sucked and bailed on the program when he realized they weren't going to fire him. Talk about a head coach with zero faith in his program.
That eye roll is why you can stick a piece of corn up your Husker ass and stop posing as a UCF fan. You're almost as bad as Lobo. That's why you CONTINUOUSLY go back and forth with him.

Discrediting all of those top 10 matchups I mentioned while talking down on the 2013 version of the Big East/AAC. Gtfoh with your bullshit.
 
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