0-3 when we could have easily won, but his offense couldn't get it done. Does Frost need to make some off season changes?
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4-4 with heartbreaking losses. Compared to where they were last year at this time the team is on the upward no doubt. To see what this staff is accomplishing with only working for the kids for not even a year, in a system really not built for them (Oleary players), and with very young starters I think they are doing fine. Closing games and coaching will only come in time. Give everyone time to mature. I think this team is going to be fun to watch. Bowl game is still in our grasps.
This staff turned around 0-12 to 4-4. 3 of 4 losses are just depth issues especially on the line. Sucks to lose these games late, but last year we were getting smoked by 30 almost every game.
Agreed. Even the optimists expected us to be blown out of a few games, and almost certainly by Houston.
Not really his offense. Walters is a WR coach who is still learning the offense like everyone else. This was my concern about Frost leaving, few people understand how to run this offense properly.
Can't believe these threads. Walters is learning like everybody else. The only one that really knows the offense is Frost. This season is staging for next season people. Any wins are gravy. I can't believe we're sniffing a bowl this year.
Houston steamrolled us in the second half, because they have depth and we do not. Therefore, it's not a given that we should have won up 24-3 with a freshman QB. We lost to Maryland due to freshmen turnovers. We should have beaten Temple, because that was a miracle and bad coaching.
Therefore, we should be 5-3 and not 7-1 as many on this board have suggested
Therefore, we should be 5-3 and not 7-1 as many on this board have suggested
Depth had nothing to do with bad throws for INT's and handling mistakes that caused fumbles.
Those were basic plays that UCF failed to execute.
Mix those blunders with potential coaching mistakes/miscues (i.e. should they have pulled milton for a series for extra coaching viewing UH D from the sideline...as UH probably couldn't keep 9 in the box to stop the run since Holman could throw it deep, unlike Milton), that UH game (and the Temple game...and even the Maryland game) was there for the pickings.
Heck, as one person said: "If UCF just had an offensive goal of going 3 and out just to punt every 2nd half series...UCF probably would have beaten UH"....but with 4 turnovers...UCF never got to punt...handing UH a very short field.
Ok we lost to Houston because of a lack of depth and a freshman QB. They gave us gifts in the first half and are a way better team than we were.
As far as puling Mckenzie. That's a GOL move. Frost Is our coach now. It probably wouldn't have made one bit of difference. Many teams don't do that. He's a freshman. Additionally, Holman is worse.
If we flipped the halfs, UH capitalized on a bunch of UCF mistakes in the first half. UCF capitalizes on a bunch of UH mistakes in the second half, but comes up just short. Would we be having the same discussions?
I still don't understand why people on this board are upset at us being 4-4, considering the trainwreck we were last year. We have a scheme thats a 180 turn from what we were before and the only people recruited for the up-tempo are the freshman. We have a true freshman QB, two of our RB's are true freshman and many of our receivers are young too. Do people on this board honestly expect us to be 7-1 right now with a fully developed offense? Lets not forget how close we were to losing several games back in 2013 back when things were going well....
Totally agree. We couldn't be 7-1.
5-3 tops. We could have lost to UConn and be 3-5 just as easily.
The offense was fatigued? We ran 66 plays. That might be a season low. We ran 91 against Maryland. High 70s against UCONN and ECU.
I can't believe the overreactions the Houston loss has caused some here. They want to give up on a true frosh qb, coordinators, etc just bc the team struggled for 1 half vs better talent?
UCF was 0-12 last Season!
UCF was 0-12 last Season!
I get that we were winless last year. I get we've made big gains. I don't get firing coaches or making major roster changes.
That all said, there's a world of difference between expecting to beat Houston at kickoff and expecting the offense to be more productive than net 29 yards in the second half. Leading to what was almost 35 unanswered points. I don't think it's out of line to expect the offense to gain more yards than the opposing team scores points.
No.,, the defensive line of Houston has amazing depth and wore out our
offensive line that has no quality depth to begin with and Hudanick is out. They destroyed us in the 3rd and 4 quarters rotating fresh guys in and out.
We ran 28 offensive plays in the second half. Fatigue did not come into play on that side of the ball.
I really don't understand the logic here
If a team is more talented they can destroy you from the first snap or turn it on at will when they wake up in the second half. They were terrible in the first half.
The second half was about the cream rising to the top. Just like in 2012 when we were tied at Ohio state at the half.
What are you talking about? Have you played football? You can get worn down in the second half based on first half snaps. Houston rolled in defensive players that played way less snaps then the average UCF offensive lineman. This is coming from Scott Frost.
our first half lead was a little misleading as well, it's good that the team took advantage of it but 2 of our td drives if I remember correctly were extended by dumb PF penalties by Houston when the team was stalled around the 50 yard line
This!! The first half was like fools gold.
"We were up 24-3, so we 100% should have won!"
No we shouldn't have.
Oh I knew they would come back. They're a GOOD football team. We're starting from almost scratch
This team was gifted a 21 point lead. Let's call it that. Let's say UCF had no business being on the field with Houston, but won the college football lottery and was given a 21 point lead. There is an enormous difference between being tied with a better team and then fatigue/depth/point chasing all snowballs on you in the 2nd half vs being up big and letting them come back. In the point chasing scenario, you become one dimensional. Against Houston there was no reason for us to be one dimensional or not protect the ball.
Look I had no expectations for this team. This was a different offense, a different defense, and a roster not recruited or trained to run it. However, in the position of leading 24-3, you have to be able to do more than 29 yards or at least possess the ball for more than 11 minutes. I get that Frost wants to teach these kids to be fearless and attack, but if the results of that playcalling/leadership is this, that's not the lesson they're taking away.
Let's just say we are seeing this from 2 different perspectives. A lot of it also had to do with a freshman QB and Frost playing Oregon offense without enough of his type of players to do so
How many on this site held entry level positions? I'm sure glad my boss didn't talk about me the way some on this site talk about freshmen players and new staff
Well, I'm sure MM was beat (and beat up) because two-thirds of plays were pass and he was getting hit after most every play (including roughing the passer).
Truth be told now that the emotions of several tough losses have abated, I'm thrilled with the hiring of Frosty and the performance of this team (except for the O-line). We are exciting and competitive again.
I think you should make an off season decision to ban yourself from everything UCF
People need to chill a little. The OL has been bad for going on 3 years now. GOL and staff missed badly over the last 3 or 4 years in recruiting and developing this position- a big part of the reason we went 0-12 last year. I have been impressed with the development of the OL vs what we saw last year. There are on occasions some lanes opening up. Which is about what I thought we would get this year. Next year will be better and a little bit more consistent, and by 2018 the offense should be just about fully developed (excluding possible injuries). As the OL begins to improve we will be able to properly evaluate MM as a passing QB. The kid is a heck of a runner and he will get better on the zone read. Hopefully, he will develop a little more accuracy. He throws a lot of high balls and lot that are just way off. I am hoping that over the next 3 weeks at home he will get more comfortable with the speed of the game. Then again, I wouldn't get too comfortable behind that OL.
AMEN. If we wanna keep Frost here, or anyone else worthwhile, show him some love, patience, and support.
Because fans are irrational nutbags when it comes to their teams. And after 0-12, we are conditioned to complain about everything.
If only there was a good name for people with such a fanatical point of view.
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