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U.S. nurse says dying COVID-19 patients spent last minutes insisting virus isn't real.

From the article: "Doering says her experiences show a disturbing level of COVID-19 denial.

“The hardest thing to watch is that people are still looking for something else and they want a magic answer. They don’t want to believe that COVID is real,” she said in an interview with CNN.

“Their last dying words are ‘this can’t be happening, it’s not real,’ when they should be spending time FaceTiming their families, they’re filled with anger and hatred. It just made me real sad the other night. I just can’t believe those are going to be their last thoughts and words.”

I suspect that there would have been some of this misguided crap from some people regardless of who was President. But having Trump give their ignorant views a real sense of legitimacy put a lot more of these folks in harm's way than needed to be. Very sad.
 
With all of the media and public conscious saturation of this virus, you'd have to be really out on the fringe (I know, South Dakota) to think the virus is not real. Even the most fervent Dr. Knighttime's aren't questioning the existence of the virus, mainly the public policy and media reactions in proportion to the severity and risk of death.

Interesting Canada TV report from a hospital in South Dakota pounding the Republicans are stupid angle by including the nurse's tweet. Why is a Toronto news reporter even bothering with a story about COVID denial in Americans? She probably would be better served asking what America is doing to have a 2.19% CFR that is so much better than Canada's 3.63% CFR?
 
North Dakota has world's highest covid mortality rate.

Can't say Trump didn't make the US #1 in something I guess.


 
What do you guys think about your liberal California politicians vacationing in Hawaii why the state is under massive restrictions. Typical
As we've said a million times, taking commonsense measures to avoid getting covid is not political in any way.

Behaving stupidly regarding covid isn't political either.
 
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I had a group friend pass away last week from Covid. Went down denying it and loving Trump the whole way.
 
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I'm just going to say it. Trump has directly contributed to tens of thousands of deaths, and Historians will be sure to address this. His nonchalance, disinterest and denial of Covid 19 has resulted in what we are seeing at his moment. And most unfortunately, so many in his serfdom cannot think for themselves. These folks will either be casualties of the pandemic or will spread it to others.
 
We see what you did with the toilet paper. I'm ok with not creating absolute panic over what was already done with foolish lockdowns, restrictions, and mandates.

How do you feel about your liberal politicians vacationing in Hawaii? Funny they aren't taking it seriously
As I said in another thread, taking covid-19 safety measures isn't political--and neither is stupidly defying them.
 
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My wife was recently hospitalized for something other than Covid 19 but while there, learned that her nurse had contracted it in the course of her duties. This nurse, in her late thirties, very nearly died, despite being otherwise vital and healthy. Her condition worsened, to the point that she spent 8 days in ICU. When she was finally released to go home, she spent the next 6 weeks on periodic oxygen while she recovered. Now she's back at work at the hospital. Brave woman.

For those who dismiss Covid 19, refuse to wear a mask or just be responsible, your time could be coming. Or maybe you'll introduce it to your friends and family . But what the hey! Your sister or Dad have had a pretty good life.
 
Covid is very real. on election night I had a marketing meeting with my business partner,my severely disabled 22 year old son,my coffee manager and a team leader. we sat down at a local watering hole and had appetizers while planning out our upcoming month. my coffee manager who has worked with me for 5 years is one of the sickliest 20 something's I have known. she was feeling bad. next day had a fever . she stayed home from work for 2 days and cane back. Still not feeling well,she went and got a Rona test. Sunday came back positive.

We immediately closed our business which lasted a week and tested everyone who came into contact with her. ALL the tests came back negative. She tested a week later it was still positive. Now, I am not denying this virus exists at all. I am saying though I sat 3 feet away eating for an hour or more from a Covid positive patient as well as 3 other people and we didn't contract it. No masks,no nothing.

my story is purely anecdotal of course. Maybe the virus is mutating and becoming weaker ?

Y'all came blame Trump all you want. if it makes you feel better. What ever. what is real here are a few things. The media HATES Trump and they will go out of their way to ding the guy while going out of their way to make people like Cuomo and Newsone, Whitmire and locally my Governor,Governor Cooper look like heroes with their decrees and stepping on the Constitution.

What is also real is our overcreaction to it. People die. They die of the flu, diabetes, cancer,heart disease, emphysema, drowning and on and on. We don't shut the economy down for the flu. This virus has been politicized beyond anything I have ever seen.. That's the problem. The stupid media is the core problem here.

I am installing HEPA air purifiers in my business that also have UV sterilizers and titanium oxide filtration that kills 99.7%of all aersolized bacteria and virus passing through the filter. I am doing it because it's real. With that said if my Governor orders non-essential businesses to close I am likely going to give that bastard the middle finger.

if you are susceptible to this virus,have all those risk factors and such, then you need to take responsibility for you. Don't put your health issues and limitations on the rest of us. We wear masks ,we social distance and in my stores I am kicking it up a notch to improve safety of my crew and my guests. If you are unsure about travel,going into stores,shopping, or what ever then please take responsibility for yourself ,act in a way that you are comfortable with the risks and rewards for any given behavior.

Lockdowns and closing small businesses is not the solution here. To all my fellow liberal knight friends here. if we go into this locdown and non-essential closures are you going to take the moral high road and stroke the pen in your check book and give all these closed businesses some cash? See we are all in the same storm together but make no mistake about it, most of you are not in the same boat as these small businesses. you get to get paid working on from zoom while these business owners suffer. You don't have make any real sacrafice while these business sacrafice their livelihoods and retirement. You don't have to face telling people you care about that they are being laid off. So, I say put up or shut up about the lockdowns ,closures and such. Again the virus is very real our response to it is very political.
 
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I'm just going to say it. Trump has directly contributed to tens of thousands of deaths, and Historians will be sure to address this. His nonchalance, disinterest and denial of Covid 19 has resulted in what we are seeing at his moment. And most unfortunately, so many in his serfdom cannot think for themselves. These folks will either be casualties of the pandemic or will spread it to others.
The USG was responding to the virus as soon as it became apparent there was a novel coronavirus outbreak in Washington state. Trump pushed agencies to lift regulatory barriers in a number of areas early to facilitate testing. People were in a mass hysteria that was building upon itself and stoked by the media, so he made the unfortunate choice to try to slow some of that panic by downplaying it emotionally. While that was ineffective and probably lead to his election night loss, the federal government and Trump administration were taking action all along.

Your opinion that his public demeanor early on resulted in what is happening now just doesn’t hold water. Countries that took the utmost of precaution with leaders that were issuing dire warnings and severe restrictions since the very beginning are seeing a resurgence upon removing their restrictions. Scientists and politicians warned of multiple waves from the very beginning. Nothing that Trump said or did in March and April has any direct effect on what is happening right now.

Do you know what Trump action did have a direct effect? Trump initiation Operation Warp Speed and pushing the FDA to enact emergency protocols to rapidly (and hopefully safely) fund, develop, and authorize vaccines for use. Moderna took advantage of that and so did Pfizer, despite their CEO lying to everyone that they weren’t part of the program. The Trump administration also rallied industry to answer the call for PPE and medical supplies that has resulted in a lower CFR than most of the developed nations, despite having a medical system the WHO constantly rates lower than those same countries.
 
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Lockdowns and closing small businesses is not the solution here. To all my fellow liberal knight friends here. if we go into this locdown and non-essential closures are you going to take the moral high road and stroke the pen in your check book and give all these closed businesses some cash? See we are all in the same storm together but make no mistake about it, most of you are not in the same boat as these small businesses. you get to get paid working on from zoom while these business owners suffer. You don't have make any real sacrafice while these business sacrafice their livelihoods and retirement.
I don't get this argument. So these small businesses are going to be better if we simply ignore the massive spike in covid infections? An improving the economy is based on consumer confidence. What's the spike doing to consumer confidence in this country?

People act like science is the enemy here. That's the position the Trump Administration ended up taking. How'd that work for the country? The truth is that small business would have been much better off right now if Trump had followed his administration's own guidelines last May.

There is no easy fix, but it starts with working WITH science to combat this disease. It also starts with a recognition that a lot of people in this country need financial help. God knows Steve Mnuchin and Trump made sure that their friends were well taken care of (with total secrecy and no government oversight) with the last stimulus bill.
 
I don't get this argument. So these small businesses are going to be better if we simply ignore the massive spike in covid infections? An improving the economy is based on consumer confidence. What's the spike doing to consumer confidence in this country?

People act like science is the enemy here. That's the position the Trump Administration ended up taking. How'd that work for the country? The truth is that small business would have been much better off right now if Trump had followed his administration's own guidelines last May.

There is no easy fix, but it starts with working WITH science to combat this disease. It also starts with a recognition that a lot of people in this country need financial help. God knows Steve Mnuchin and Trump made sure that their friends were well taken care of (with total secrecy and no government oversight) with the last stimulus bill.
You might be a little bit too hung up on consumer confidence. Nothing about the virus or our political response has really changed, and yet we had 33% growth in Q3. I agree that many people are leary of going out, but this virus doesn't seem to be having the effect on consumers now like it did in April.
 
You might be a little bit too hung up on consumer confidence. Nothing about the virus or our political response has really changed, and yet we had 33% growth in Q3. I agree that many people are leary of going out, but this virus doesn't seem to be having the effect on consumers now like it did in April.
We're talking about hundreds of thousands of small businesses across the country not the Big Dawgs like Amazon.
 
We're talking about hundreds of thousands of small businesses across the country not the Big Dawgs like Amazon.
Sadly, its too late for most of them. Continuing a lockdown or opening up completely probably doesn't matter anymore. Welcome to the new normal. Marketing 101 for small businesses is "dont give your customers a reason to change their habits". Habits have changed and its almost impossible to turn that around now.
 
Sadly, its too late for most of them. Continuing a lockdown or opening up completely probably doesn't matter anymore. Welcome to the new normal. Marketing 101 for small businesses is "dont give your customers a reason to change their habits". Habits have changed and its almost impossible to turn that around now.
And your contention continues to be that there was never really was anything we could have done to save them?
 
And your contention continues to be that there was never really was anything we could have done to save them?
I've said from the very beginning that our approach should have been "2 weeks at a time". Most, if not all people, would have been fine with shutting everything down for 2 weeks, then reassessing the situation and deciding what to do for the next 2 weeks, etc, etc. Localized solutions, not statewide or nationwide applications.
 
I've said from the very beginning that our approach should have been "2 weeks at a time". Most, if not all people, would have been fine with shutting everything down for 2 weeks, then reassessing the situation and deciding what to do for the next 2 weeks, etc, etc. Localized solutions, not statewide or nationwide applications.
The Trump Administration guidelines for reopening businesses on a local and statewide basis were never achieved in the vast majority of states. You told us at the time that it was more dangerous to continue the shutdowns (in most cases, it would have been for another 2 weeks) than to reopen and take our chances with the virus.

Remember the Texas Republican Lieutenant Governor's stirring speech on Fox News about 'making patriotic sacrifices for the good of the country?' How'd that work out for Texans?
 
The Trump Administration guidelines for reopening businesses on a local and statewide basis were never achieved in the vast majority of states. You told us at the time that it was more dangerous to continue the shutdowns (in most cases, it would have been for another 2 weeks) than to reopen and take our chances with the virus.

Remember the Texas Republican Lieutenant Governor's stirring speech on Fox News about 'making patriotic sacrifices for the good of the country?' How'd that work out for Texans?
After weeks and weeks, yes it was more damaging than good. I thought that 15 days to flatten the curve was a good approach. 15 days turned into 200 with no quantifiable goal. Now we live in a country where a ton of our favorite businesses will never come back.
 
Wrong about what? I said from the beginning to take it 2 weeks at a time. I still stand by that.
Today is the first time I've heard your "2 weeks at a time" line (whatever the hell its supposed to mean). However, I do recall you and your Trumpster buddies being all gung-ho about jump-starting state economies before the states achieved the coronavirus protocols for reopening. We simply HAD to open before it was safe for all those struggling small businesses, remember?

That plan worked as well as a lead balloon. Instead of helping them, we ended any chance they'd be able to get back on their feet again.
 
Today is the first time I've heard your "2 weeks at a time" line (whatever the hell its supposed to mean). However, I do recall you and your Trumpster buddies being all gung-ho about jump-starting state economies before the states achieved the coronavirus protocols for reopening. We simply HAD to open before it was safe for all those struggling small businesses, remember?

That plan worked as well as a lead balloon. Instead of helping them, we ended any chance they'd be able to get back on their feet again.
Its not the first time. You just don't read what anybody else posts.
 
Its not the first time. You just don't read what anybody else posts.
Funny that you challenge my memory on your new "2 weeks at a time" bit but fail to say anything about your strong assertions last May that we reopen state economies regardless of what those damn scientist-types had to say.

Did I misremember that too?
 
Funny that you challenge my memory on your new "2 weeks at a time" bit but fail to say anything about your strong assertions last May that we reopen state economies regardless of what those damn scientist-types had to say.

Did I misremember that too?
Nope, and I was right about that. Going into summer when peoples immune systems are the strongest was the ideal time to relax restrictions and develop as much herd immunity as possible before heading into winter.
 
Nope, and I was right about that. Going into summer when peoples immune systems are the strongest was the ideal time to relax restrictions and develop as much herd immunity as possible before heading into winter.
Pardon me for being late to the party in CONGRATUATING YOU on the herd immunity we all developed last summer. Yeah, we had a big bump in our summer covid numbers as a result.

BUT...it was well worth it in order to be disease-resistant like we all are this winter! Thanks again!!! 👍
 
After weeks and weeks, yes it was more damaging than good. I thought that 15 days to flatten the curve was a good approach. 15 days turned into 200 with no quantifiable goal. Now we live in a country where a ton of our favorite businesses will never come back.
On the military side of the fence, the protocol for a number of places is to shut down operations temporarily while you characterize the threat. As soon as possible, you provide information to return to operations as quickly as possible in a manner in which you can achieve the mission while keeping your people safe. The playbook for the civilian side is similar.

Unfortunately, there was a huge amount of noise in the communications channels as the message got lost in too many people talking, in not coordinating the state messaging with the federal messaging, in the media unintentionally interviewing anyone that could even claim they were an expert, and in the media and politicians using the outbreak as a reason to introduce repeated Hegelian dialectics where they frame the problem in a way to evoke a reaction and then use that public reaction to push forward the desired solution. For example, one of the recent ones is the ongoing oversimplification that proposes the problem that Trump has utterly failed and will always fail at his Coronavirus response, the response of the public (pushed by the media, bloggers, and Democrat ads) is that Trump is responsible for all of the US virus deaths, thus the solution (synthesis) put forth is to vote for Biden. This worked pretty well in drawing away a group of seniors that Trump had locked up in 2016 to vote for Biden.

Likewise, the virus itself has been used to justify pushing the precedent of Governmental power. Problem: This virus is going to kill millions (2.1 million if I remember correctly) of people in this country if we don't do anything. And then ongoing numbers of death tolls and anecdotes from stressed out healthcare providers. Response: Panic. What can we do so that millions in this country don't die? Solution: Leverage that Panic to implement whatever you want to put in place. Scared people will submit to just about anything to alleviate their fears.

It's frustrating when you see it happening. It's frustrating to see the Trump Administration not get out in front of it and push through communication that is clear and logical (which is his biggest response failure; messaging, not actions). It's not necessarily surprising as Trump seems to be pretty hands-off with the states when it comes to letting them do their thing. He prods publicly, but in the end he doesn't seem to use Executive power to control. That's going to change with a Biden Administration, for better or worse.
 
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Nope, and I was right about that. Going into summer when peoples immune systems are the strongest was the ideal time to relax restrictions and develop as much herd immunity as possible before heading into winter.
Not just immune systems being stronger but no flu or other winter seasonal maladies stressing hospitals. Unless you want to do what China has done and stop all non-COVID medical treatments entirely, you're going to have to balance the load on hospitals.
 
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Problem: This virus is going to kill millions (2.1 million if I remember correctly) of people in this country if we don't do anything. And then ongoing numbers of death tolls and anecdotes from stressed out healthcare providers. Response: Panic. What can we do so that millions in this country don't die? Solution: Leverage that Panic to implement whatever you want to put in place. Scared people will submit to just about anything to alleviate their fears.
Wow...if I was Rip Van Winkle and awoke to this post, you'd have had me up in arms by golly!!! What are those bastards in power trying to do to us? Move us like a herd of sheep to "quarantine camps"? Mass extermination of those "diseased" people?

But what is the bad, bad, totalitarian government in the US saying to all those scared people they've cleverly manipulated into doing their bidding: wear masks in public and social distance.
 
Not just immune systems being stronger but no flu or other winter seasonal maladies stressing hospitals. Unless you want to do what China has done and stop all non-COVID medical treatments entirely, you're going to have to balance the load on hospitals.
Whats most frustrating is that way back in April it was proven that we have the capacity to address hospital overflows. Look at NYC, which was hit harder than anyone else. They were able to put up temporary hospitals and brought in a medical ship that weren't even used. Since then, the likelihood of overwhelming hospitals has gone down exponentially but we still get the panic stories about hospitals being at 80% capacity. Guess what guys, they design hospitals to operate efficiently with 90% capacity. Theres no reason to design them to only be at 20 or 30%, it would be a waste of space.
 
Whats most frustrating is that way back in April it was proven that we have the capacity to address hospital overflows. Look at NYC, which was hit harder than anyone else. They were able to put up temporary hospitals and brought in a medical ship that weren't even used. Since then, the likelihood of overwhelming hospitals has gone down exponentially but we still get the panic stories about hospitals being at 80% capacity.
You really want to compare hospitals in NYC back in April to to small, rural hospitals in North Dakota today?
 
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