UCF/Memphis BB thread...

[thespiritof1976]

If we're ever going to get a win in Memphis, this is the game to do it.

The Tigers are a shell of what they once were, but they are still Memphis...

Game tied at 4-4 after a few minutes...

 

[thespiritof1976]

UCF up at the half, 32-30

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Playing decent but this Memphis team is not good. Tubby is terrible and they lost the twins from last year. Both teams are NIT or CBI.

 

[Knight_Light]

I don't see the loser making the NIT and even for the winner, might take 2 tournament wins to get that invite.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

I don't see the loser making the NIT and even for the winner, might take 2 tournament wins to get that invite.

UCF is solidly in the NIT. Good wins over Alabama and Temple and 0 losses considered bad at this point. A win today and they are around 60 in RPI.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

28% FT shooting. How can a team be so bad?

 

[Knightrodamus]

28% FT shooting. How can a team be so bad?

There's something to be said for consistency.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

I don't see the loser making the NIT and even for the winner, might take 2 tournament wins to get that invite.

What? Top 120 get into top 2 tournies.

 

[thespiritof1976]

First ever win in Memphis.

68-64 with BJ Taylor leading the way. Now that is a future NBA PG right there folks.

Also, in Johnny Dawkins first two years, UCF doesn't have one "bad loss".

Nice upgrade from that idiot Donnie Jones.

 

[Wings0fred]

Woo! UCF wins!!

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

First ever win in Memphis.

68-64 with BJ Taylor leading the way. Now that is a future NBA PG right there folks.

Also, in Johnny Dawkins first two years, UCF doesn't have one "bad loss".

Nice upgrade from that idiot Donnie Jones.

No he isn’t an NBA PG. G League and at most a 2 way contract guy. If we had an NBA PG we’d be NCAA Tourney lock.

 

[thespiritof1976]

No he isn’t an NBA PG. G League and at most a 2 way contract guy. If we had an NBA PG we’d be NCAA Tourney lock.

I disagree. He has a legit shot to be in the association.

Especially after his senior season coming up with Dawkins and Fall healthy.

 

[Wings0fred]

I disagree. He has a legit shot to be in the association.

Especially after his senior season coming up with Dawkins and Fall healthy.

Let’s not not jinx that last part...was supposed to be “BJ coming back with Dawkins and Fall” this year too.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Also, in Johnny Dawkins first two years, UCF doesn't have one "bad loss".

Lets not jinx this one either.

 

[UCFlagship]

Also, in Johnny Dawkins first two years, UCF doesn't have one "bad loss".

Losing at home to penn last year was a pretty damn bad loss. IIRC we were 10 point favorites

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Losing at home to penn last year was a pretty damn bad loss. IIRC we were 10 point favorites

At least according to Realtime, Pennsylvania at 199 wasnt technically considered a bad loss but (beating UCF) it was their best win and our lowest ranked loss.
...and yes Penn later losing to teams outside of the Top 250 doesnt while we couldnt win makes for one questionable loss.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Well if you have to lose at home to a 200+ team to get a bad loss the bar is pretty low. Pretty much have to lose to USF or ECU.

 

[Knight_Light]

I don't see the loser making the NIT and even for the winner, might take 2 tournament wins to get that invite.

What? Top 120 get into top 2 tournies.

Huh?

You do know that every conf champ feon every conf (even those in the bottom 20 or so conferences) get automatic NIT invite if they lose in conf tournament and don't get NCAA invite, REGARDLESS what their RPI is.

Point being, not as many at large NIT bids as you think.

 

[Knight_Light]

No he isn’t an NBA PG. G League and at most a 2 way contract guy. If we had an NBA PG we’d be NCAA Tourney lock.

I disagree. He has a legit shot to be in the association.

Especially after his senior season coming up with Dawkins and Fall healthy.

BJ has missed 1 1/2 seasons due to 2 different injuries. I hope he comes back for his 5th and final season but can understand it if he gets an offer to be paid to play hoops somewhere.

He is tough as nails and seems to have ice in his veins when game is on the line.

 

[Nyght Shadow]

For B.J., let me put it this way: If I ever had to go to war, I'd want B.J. Taylor in my fox hole. That is one tough minded hombre.

 

[Knight_Light]

For B.J., let me put it this way: If I ever had to go to war, I'd want B.J. Taylor in my fox hole. That is one tough minded hombre.

I would be right behind him all the way.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Huh?

You do know that every conf champ feon every conf (even those in the bottom 20 or so conferences) get automatic NIT invite if they lose in conf tournament and don't get NCAA invite, REGARDLESS what their RPI is.

Point being, not as many at large NIT bids as you think.

In fairness, regular season conference champs pretty much universally have good records and pretty good RPI. Conference tournament champs can theoretically be any team in the conference, so much more potential to be a low RPI team. Still a 120 RPI team is not getting in the NIT. Georgia Tech got in with a 109 RPI last year, but they had many good wins including 3 over ranked teams.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Huh?

You do know that every conf champ feon every conf (even those in the bottom 20 or so conferences) get automatic NIT invite if they lose in conf tournament and don't get NCAA invite, REGARDLESS what their RPI is.

Point being, not as many at large NIT bids as you think.

Your right only 32 total. I thought was more. So top 100 RPI usually make 1 of the tournies. Maybe 10 sneak in outside of that a year so top 90. Aren’t we around 55?

 

[Knight_Light]

Your right only 32 total. I thought was more. So top 100 RPI usually make 1 of the tournies. Maybe 10 sneak in outside of that a year so top 90. Aren’t we around 55?

Also, you are not taking in account for the say some of the 20 1-bid NCAA Tourn leagues where their conf tourn champion is ranked WAY below 100 too.

Then add how the NCAA now "owns" the NIT...they also want some "named" teams in that tournament too since most games are shown on ESPN Networks too.

NOTE: Here was the #1 - #8 NIT seeding for those teams last year that won their regular season but lost their conf tournament, didn't get a NCAA bid but got their conf "auto-bid" to NIT:

#8 UNC Greensboro
#4 Monmouth
#7 Belmont
#8 Cal State Bakersfield
#6 UT-Arlington
#7 Akron
#1 Illinois State
#8 UC Irvine
#8 South Dakota
#7 Oakland

7 out of the 8 lowest seeds were auto-bids to NIT....which would have been replaced if NIT was totally an invitation tournament without auto-bids.

 

[Knight_Classes_begin_7pm]

First ever win in Memphis.

68-64 with BJ Taylor leading the way. Now that is a future NBA PG right there folks.

Also, in Johnny Dawkins first two years, UCF doesn't have one "bad loss".

Nice upgrade from that idiot Donnie Jones.

One bad loss? What about at Cincy the other night? 80-40 Loss? That's pretty bad...just sayin :-(

 

[hemightbejeremy]

One bad loss? What about at Cincy the other night? 80-40 Loss? That's pretty bad...just sayin :-(

Loss to a bad team would be more accurate. Certainly some losses to good teams can look "bad".

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

One bad loss? What about at Cincy the other night? 80-40 Loss? That's pretty bad...just sayin :-(

A bad loss is losing to a team with RPI of 200 or worse. Not getting blown out by the 6th ranked team in country.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

Lol here's the link for anyone that lost confidence in a poster because their first words in a response are huh?

https://www.ncaa.com/championships/basketball-men/nit/postseason-nit

 

[ucfversusbcs]

One bad loss? What about at Cincy the other night? 80-40 Loss? That's pretty bad...just sayin :-(

Its an expected loss regardless of how bad we lost. Besides we moved up 6 spots. Imagine if we lost by 15 or 10. Curious how much we bumped up after losing to #1 Villanova by 10 points last year? That had to be important in the NITs decision to add us.**

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Its an expected loss regardless of how bad we lost. Besides we moved up 6 spots. Imagine if we lost by 15 or 10. Curious how much we bumped up after losing to #1 Villanova by 10 points last year? That had to be important in the NITs decision to add us.**

What was our RPI last year?

 

[hemightbejeremy]

What was our RPI last year?

Prior to NIT was 77 and after 71.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Prior to NIT was 77 and after 71.

We should beat that this year and prob still don't get at large without at least making the AAC Champ game.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

We should beat that this year and prob still don't get at large without at least making the AAC Champ game.

Yep probably won't get an at large. Would have to finish 5-1 to do it which I don't see happening. Also RPI will drop against USF and Tulane even with wins in those games.

 

[BH Knights 37]

First ever win in Memphis.

68-64 with BJ Taylor leading the way. Now that is a future NBA PG right there folks.

Also, in Johnny Dawkins first two years, UCF doesn't have one "bad loss".

Nice upgrade from that idiot Donnie Jones.

I disagree. I would definitely consider a 38 point loss (83-45 to West Virginia) and a 37 point loss (77-40 to Cincinnati) bad losses. Regardless of the fact the teams were ranked high, we looked like we didn't belong on the same court those nights.

 

[ucfversusbcs]

I disagree. I would definitely consider a 38 point loss (83-45 to West Virginia) and a 37 point loss (77-40 to Cincinnati) bad losses. Regardless of the fact the teams were ranked high, we looked like we didn't belong on the same court those nights.

I get the analysis, but bad loss means losing to a team we should beat.....easily.
Not being on the court with a good team like WVU and Cincy is kind of expected and in our case if they lose to us vice versa.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

I disagree. I would definitely consider a 38 point loss (83-45 to West Virginia) and a 37 point loss (77-40 to Cincinnati) bad losses. Regardless of the fact the teams were ranked high, we looked like we didn't belong on the same court those nights.

We don’t belong on the same court with top 25 teams. That’s why they aren’t bad losses. They are losses we get beat bad.

 

[thespiritof1976]

We don’t belong on the same court with top 25 teams. That’s why they aren’t bad losses. They are losses we get beat bad.

Except Alabama. We got their number.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Except Alabama. We got their number.

They are at 32nd right now. Right ahead of houston.

 

[thespiritof1976]

They are at 32nd right now. Right ahead of houston.

Not when we beat them.

 

[BlakNGoldAllDay]

Not when we beat them.

Thats not how it works. Rankings change. RPI changes too. It's about crrent. Not what happened 2 months ago when a team was perceived to be better.