UCF Starting QB projections;
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I thought Holman was going to be so good after his performance in the second half of the Penn State game. What an epic disappointment.
Exactly!! I was there and posted that. He looked amazing.
Didn't we run the ball to kill clock and set up our freshman kicker for a game winner as his first collegiate FG attempt ever? Holman took the team from the UCF 26 to the FIU 23 yard line before they decided to stop trying for a TD. That's on Key/GOL for taking the ball out of the Junior QBs hands, not on Holman. Justin was 23/34 on the day with 2 TDs and 0 INTs.
Geez, It's FIU. I was at the game. He had enough decent protection for 3-4 TDs and a win. Where was he the other 55 minutes? Stalled drives time and time again due to poorly thrown balls with ample time.
Again, I've been hearing excuses for 2 plus years now. Enough of this. UCF now and will have better QBs than Holman. Let's start now and stop delaying the inevitable. The guy is a senior anyway.
HammerBO8, How many games has Holman started at UCF?? How many games has he been the reason that we won? Great QBs win games. He's not.
He did lead us to victory at ECU in 2014. I'll give him that. Holman has been inconsistent and inaccurate even when he's had time to throw. Even if there hasn't been many times. He's even inconsistent on when he should take off and scramble. He makes slow and poor decisions.
I'm not saying Holman is a world-beater, but judging him based on 2015 is harsh for all the reasons everyone already knows. It was the kind of horrific circumstance that would stunt the growth of any QB in the same situation. I took some heat on this very board after the FIU loss for suggesting that perhaps the reason GOL/Key took the ball out of his hands at the end of the game is because they didn't trust him to make the right decisions in that situation. All told, he's probably an average NCAA QB with elite size and arm talent but lacking the quick decision making and accuracy to be considered "great" and get a chance to play at the next level. He still showed us some flashes of brilliance as an inexperienced QB in Dublin and a few other games in that 2014 season on the way to the share of a conference title. There was ample evidence to suggest he could improve heading into 2015...and then 2015 happened. So I guess I just prefer to think he's more of the 2014 version of Holman (132.4 QB rating) than what we saw last year (95.2 QB rating) -- and I certainly don't blame him for the gutless play calling that cost us the FIU game (side note: what do you think Frost thought of that cowardly play calling when he reviewed the tape from last year?? With all his talk about how we're going to be fearless out there?? He probably couldn't believe it).
Yes, Frost as our coach will not lose a game like that one vs. FIU. Lots of bad decisions were made that day and it set the tone for the whole season
Out at DiNovo being anywhere on that list! Other than that, it looks promising.
Prediction: Holman will be one of the top QBs in the AAC this season! We have great runners and WR. Just need to block, and with the speed they won't have to hold the blocks for long.
It was a long shot to begin with, as his natural position is linebacker. Now USF's Nick Holman is transferring to UAB, so he won't even be in the AAC next season.
We lost to FIU because of Key's poor ars play calling. When Justin got into a rhythm Key would bring in Patti to run the same exact play for a 3 and out. Key did not help out any of the QB's with his poor vanilla play calling all year.
He was driving until Key decided to run the ball and run the clock down for the 50 yard "chip shot".
He was taken out, because he was not consistant. Stalled drives. I was there.
More excuses.
Where was he on all of the 3 and outs for the entire second half?. Excuses. We need new blood. Holman is a senior.
He was 24/34, 249 yrd, 2 Td's, 0 INT's. The play calling was terrible that game and all year. We stalled a game winning drive for a long FG. I remember the offense huddling up with over a minute killing time just to hand it off from the 35 yard line. Key was a terrible OC. I'm not saying JH set the world on fire last year but Key and the gang did not do him any favors.
Thank goodness for a fresh start!
Thank goodness for a fresh start!
Yes, Key didn't do any favors for the entire program other than leaving for a heavy price tag. However, don't be caught up with that stat line. It's very misleading when many of your 10 incompletions are poorly thrown balls when we needed a first down to sustain a drive in the second half. QBs have thrown for 450 yards, but lost the game due to a poorly timed pick or incompletions when needed to sustain a drive.
Holman rarely was consistant enough to make more than 1-2 first down throws when we needed him to on a drive. Often a drive would end up in an incompletion with ample time (he is fairly mobile) that was WAY off the mark or a pick that sealed our fate vs Houston, Uconn and others.
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Maybe you are right but I really really hated Key as an OC. I just hope with Frosts offense he can flourish instead of the predicable stale Key offense.
That's why I said, and predicted, a lot of this non-sense, last year. People took my predictions to be pro-Key and as a "nuthugger." No, I just know our whinny fanbase.
Frost is the real deal people. He was a monster hire. I was so afraid we were going to go for Dino or another coach, and literally go nowhere. But we got the best, offensive-minded hire available -- timed extremely well (we couldn't have likely gotten him a year earlier) -- and he is making very well do with so little time thus far.
The guy likely needs at least a good 3 years of building his program here, indoctrinating the coaches and players. He's already impressed me immensely. I sincerely wish our fanbase could lay off the negativity until at least the second half of 2017. If we're not seeing improvement in the program by then, then yes, we've got issues and the system is likely suspect for us.
But I have my faith. Time will tell if that is well placed.
There were a lot of variables last year. Key sucked, Holman broke his finger on his throwing hand, receivers not named Tre'Quan couldn't catch a cold. However, even before the injury, I remember Holman being really erratic with his accuracy and still throwing everything as a fastball.
I think Tyler Harris fits the system better than people think. He seems accurate in the short to medium range throws.
I think Tyler Harris fits the system better than people think. He seems accurate in the short to medium range throws.
You forgot about the receiver who was caught from behind vs Tulane. The signature play of 2015. By the way Harris is slooooooooow. As slow as Bo
Well, I want to see the same kids in Frost's system. I don't want to harp on last year, because there were so many factors outside the control of the kids, that clearly impacted them.
But 2016 won't totally be Frost's system, and his players. In fact, and I know some will disagree, but I full expect that the added transitional aspects and implementing a new system, puts Frost at more of a disadvantage than if we would have kept just the existing system, for 2016.
That why I will support Frost, even if we only win 2 games this year. He deserves to get into the second half of 2017 before we even start to evaluate if we're improving. I hope for a 2005-like repeat, but I'm also a realist.
He's a much faster decision maker than Bo. He got rid of the ball faster than any other option last year IMHO. I also don't think being extremely fast/quick is necessary for this offense. If the QB can pick up 3-4 yards off tackle if the DE doesn't account for him, that's all he needs to do. The running threat of the QB is just to neutralize the DE.
All the more reason why I have faith in Frost, and really just go face palm on this board. I think Maryland and Michigan taking up our early schedule will tell us a lot ... not just in how Frost plans to move the program forward, but just where we are as a fanbase.
I mean, the last time we were here ... 2004 and, probably more so, 2005 and 2006 likely being what we'll see in 2016 and 2017 ... I remember a lot of people eating a lot of their own words after 2-3 years.
With Frost as the new HC, I don't have a lot of concern about the QB. That will be resolved. Honestly, I think it is a no brainer that you leave Holman in for Michigan, and don't screw around with one of the young QB's confidence. If Holman handles himself well against Michigan, he will continue to start. Either way, we probably won't know what Frosty's plan at QB will be until the Maryland game. That being said, again, QB doesn't concern me. The O-line has been the weakest unit for the past two years. Flash back to 2014, 4 plays from inside the Bethune Cookman 2 yard line and we couldn't score. I think it was Stanback, but whoever it was, was down inside the one on 4th down. Refs gave him a TD, but he was clearly down short of the goal line. If you are going to be a power running team, you have to be able to knock Bethune Cookman off the ball in that situation. 2015- there are no words in the English language to describe how terrible that unit was. The other unit that nobody seems to mention- Defense. 7 out of the last 8 games we gave up 40 or more. 40 points to UConn, Tulane, and Tulsa. I am hoping that was just a one year glitch, but to me that is a bigger concern than who plays QB. We had some decent looking players out there last year, but it didn't seem like anybody played with a real sense of urgency. The freshman MLB looked good from what I saw of him, everybody else seemed like the were playing at recess.
And don't forget that the as soon as our only tall, fast, big, and experienced receiver went down for the season, nobody could get separation from defenders. The offense could be summarized as freshman receivers catching (or dropping) accurately thrown balls with at least one defender draped all over them....over and over and over again.
This is all so irrelevant finger pointing. The house has been entirely fumigated from AD to almost all the coaches to the system installed and the uniforms and colors. There is no last year! Frost surely watched game film strictly as if it were for recruiting talent and potential. A dozen players have shifted position and those who didn't have different responsibilities and roles. Sitting in the stand or watching at home or in a sports bar will be a different experience akin to changing channel from a baseball game to NHL hockey. Look down at your cell and you'll miss a big play. No more 3-yards and a cloud of dust or leisurely walking back to a hundle. Sit back and enjoy the new era that UCF has long deserved!
