Understanding "why" the "cages" US media narrative was used ...

[UCFBS]

Until late May, for the first six (6) weeks or so since the April 9th policy change, the American public didn't take much issue with the new policy change itself. But then everything changed in late May in various stories, and yet again and far more so, when the same debunked pictures and stores were more heavily distributed and proliferated via the AP and others by mid-June.

Why? This might have a lot to do with it ...

• 'Ex-Clinton aide: 84 percent of Americans support turning undocumented immigrants over to authorities'
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[UCFWayne]

the only reason it was used is because mid term elections are just around the corner

 

[chemmie]

Because the kids were actually in chain-link cages?

 

[UCFKnight85]

Because the kids were actually in chain-link cages?

Can you point me to your grave concern about this when O was doing it? Thx

 

[NinjaKnight]

Can you point me to your grave concern about this when O was doing it? Thx

Children are in fuking cages and 85 is arguing about politics.

Such an amazing Christian.

 

[UCFBS]

Because the kids were actually in chain-link cages?

Nope. Sorry. Try again.

 

[Crazyhole]

Because the kids were actually in chain-link cages?

Its the same as its been for decades. Yes, it needs to end on many different levels but the outrage created by the media is so completely contrived that its embarrassing. I'm glad that its finally come to a head and is being addressed but the politicization of it just undermines the importance and the fact that NOBODY wants this going on.

The same can be said for myriad issues, including the debt, Iran, civil liberties, social security, etc. They dont fix anything because they want to use those issues for political chess.

 

[UCFWayne]

Can you point me to your grave concern about this when O was doing it? Thx

“Well, I hope that while some may have tried to politicize it, I hope that was not the case,” Pelosi said after being asked about the humanitarian situation at the border in 2014. “This is not about an issue, it’s about a value.”
Pelosi gave the remarks after touring a South Texas Detention Facility and being briefed by Customs and Border Protection on the “influx of unaccompanied children into the United States.”
“We’re here to thank the Border Patrol,” Pelosi said in her opening remarks. “We think they’re doing the best they can under the circumstances … We thank the Department of Defense for what they’re doing, the Department of Homeland Security.”

 

[The Branch]

Because the kids were actually in chain-link cages?

Going to borrow from you liberals own playbook..... you guys are sooooo dumb if you think this is actually about kids.

Check that ... you aren't dumb ...you actually may be very intelligent for all I know .... just extremely naive.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Going to borrow from you liberals own playbook..... you guys are sooooo dumb if you think this is actually about kids.

Check that ... you aren't dumb ...you actually may be very intelligent for all I know .... just extremely naive.

Wow, so not only are you a conspiracy theory slurping moron, but you are actually a legit terrible person. Only a psychopath would say a story about children in cages is not actually about children, being in cages.

WTF is wrong with you man? Take a step back and examine yourself, if you are capable of doing that.

 

[UCFKnight85]

“Well, I hope that while some may have tried to politicize it, I hope that was not the case,” Pelosi said after being asked about the humanitarian situation at the border in 2014. “This is not about an issue, it’s about a value.”
Pelosi gave the remarks after touring a South Texas Detention Facility and being briefed by Customs and Border Protection on the “influx of unaccompanied children into the United States.”
“We’re here to thank the Border Patrol,” Pelosi said in her opening remarks. “We think they’re doing the best they can under the circumstances … We thank the Department of Defense for what they’re doing, the Department of Homeland Security.”

This is why I keep asking the hypocrites on this subject where there concern was then. There was none. We had thousands of "kids in cages" and Pelosi was down there kissing CBP ass and demanding that people don't politicize these "kids in cages".

Apparently it's only the circumstance that matters to these people; "kids in cages" doesn't REALLY bother them, so long as it's a Democratic President putting "kids in cages" and denying due process to kids that disappear for months on end. That's all good to them.

 

[The Branch]

Wow, so not only are you a conspiracy theory slurping moron, but you are actually a legit terrible person. Only a psychopath would say a story about children in cages is not actually about children, being in cages.

WTF is wrong with you man? Take a step back and examine yourself, if you are capable of doing that.

Separate two things for me ..... 1) If children are in cages, then everyone is horrified, not just liberals...... 2) liberals ONLY publicly care about the issue if they can hang it on a Republican .... and if you don't see that ... then you are blind.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Separate two things for me ..... 1) If children are in cages, then everyone is horrified, not just liberals...... 2) liberals ONLY publicly care about the issue if they can hang it on a Republican .... and if you don't see that ... then you are blind.

1) evidently you and other conservatives aren't horrified. Judging by the disgusting responses by yourself, wayne and 85 you are more horrified by the fact that we only care because Trump is in power. Which is literally disgusting.

2) it is hypocritical that it became so big recently, however it is absolutely undeniable that the issue became more widespread under trump because of his 100% detention policy. Under obama it was "catch and release" for families.

 

[The Branch]

1) evidently you and other conservatives aren't horrified. Judging by the disgusting responses by yourself, wayne and 85 you are more horrified by the fact that we only care because Trump is in power. Which is literally disgusting.

2) it is hypocritical that it became so big recently, however it is absolutely undeniable that the issue became more widespread under trump because of his 100% detention policy. Under obama it was "catch and release" for families.

I agree that you are disgusting. You actually only care because Trump is in power.

 

[NinjaKnight]

I agree that you are disgusting. You actually only care because Trump is in power.

Do you only exist to post bullshit? My God you are a pathetic partisan disgusting excuse for a human being.

 

[Crazyhole]

1) evidently you and other conservatives aren't horrified. Judging by the disgusting responses by yourself, wayne and 85 you are more horrified by the fact that we only care because Trump is in power. Which is literally disgusting.

2) it is hypocritical that it became so big recently, however it is absolutely undeniable that the issue became more widespread under trump because of his 100% detention policy. Under obama it was "catch and release" for families.

Glenn Beck has arguably one of the most conservative followings in all of media. Back when we had the mass influx of children crossing the border, that conservative following raised 3 mil to provide the kids in lockup with food, toys, soccer balls, etc. The mainstream media pretty much ignored that act of compassion, and the numbers of children being detained was several times higher than what we have now. So what has changed? We went from around 10,000 kids in lockup prior to zero tolerance to about 12,000 at the peak of the outrage.

You surely have to see the politicization of this.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Glenn Beck has arguably one of the most conservative followings in all of media. Back when we had the mass influx of children crossing the border, that conservative following raised 3 mil to provide the kids in lockup with food, toys, soccer balls, etc. The mainstream media pretty much ignored that act of compassion, and the numbers of children being detained was several times higher than what we have now. So what has changed? We went from around 10,000 kids in lockup prior to zero tolerance to about 12,000 at the peak of the outrage.

You surely have to see the politicization of this.

I do see the politicization of it, and it kind of sucks. You dlknow what sucks a million times more? Actually locking kids in cages.

So I'll say again: if you are more upset by the fact that people are freaking out over this during Trump vs the actual fact that kids are being locked up apart from their parents: you are undeniably a piece of shit

 

[The Branch]

I do see the politicization of it, and it kind of sucks. You dlknow what sucks a million times more? Actually locking kids in cages.

So I'll say again: if you are more upset by the fact that people are freaking out over this during Trump vs the actual fact that kids are being locked up apart from their parents: you are undeniably a piece of shit

you are insufferable. You don't even realize that you rage against this for political reasons .... while calling out everybody else as being political.

 

[NinjaKnight]

you are insufferable. You don't even realize that you rage against this for political reasons .... while calling out everybody else as being political.

How are you this incapable of understanding such an incredibly simple point? Are you trying to be this stupid?

 

[UCFKnight85]

Glenn Beck has arguably one of the most conservative followings in all of media. Back when we had the mass influx of children crossing the border, that conservative following raised 3 mil to provide the kids in lockup with food, toys, soccer balls, etc. The mainstream media pretty much ignored that act of compassion, and the numbers of children being detained was several times higher than what we have now. So what has changed? We went from around 10,000 kids in lockup prior to zero tolerance to about 12,000 at the peak of the outrage.

You surely have to see the politicization of this.

These people had absolutely nothing to say when this started years ago. Nothing. Their selective outrage is totally transparent and pathetic.

 

[Crazyhole]

I do see the politicization of it, and it kind of sucks. You dlknow what sucks a million times more? Actually locking kids in cages.

So I'll say again: if you are more upset by the fact that people are freaking out over this during Trump vs the actual fact that kids are being locked up apart from their parents: you are undeniably a piece of shit

You directed your anger about this directly at conservatives, but conservatives showed compassion about this long before the media cared. On top of that, the only president who has addressed the problem is Trump, by signing an executive order and funding family facility construction on the border.

Its all politics.

 

[NinjaKnight]

You directed your anger about this directly at conservatives, but conservatives showed compassion about this long before the media cared. On top of that, the only president who has addressed the problem is Trump, by signing an executive order and funding family facility construction on the border.

Its all politics.

Trump fixed the problem that HE created, by implementing a 100% detention policy. I'm not going to celebrate him fixing that, you'd have to be a complete moron to do so.

 

[Crazyhole]

Trump fixed the problem that HE created, by implementing a 100% detention policy. I'm not going to celebrate him fixing that, you'd have to be a complete moron to do so.

If he created it then why was Glenn Beck going down there 5 years ago to take supplies to the kids in lockup?

 

[NinjaKnight]

If he created it then why was Glenn Beck going down there 5 years ago to take supplies to the kids in lockup?

Why are you pretending to be a moron? Of course there were children separated, or if they came in alone under Obama. However it is an undeniable fact that trump implemented a 100% detention policy for families, where under Obama families were released and given a court date. So while their were still kids in detention under Obama, and that is absolutely a tragedy, Trump is the one attempting to disgustingly use children as a bargaining chip to build his insane out dated wall.

 

[Crazyhole]

Why are you pretending to be a moron? Of course there were children separated, or if they came in alone under Obama. However it is an undeniable fact that trump implemented a 100% detention policy for families, where under Obama families were released and given a court date. So while their were still kids in detention under Obama, and that is absolutely a tragedy, Trump is the one attempting to disgustingly use children as a bargaining chip to build his insane out dated wall.

And obama also released kids into the hands of human traffickers. Not worth being outraged over? At least now we know that kids won't be reunited with people who are going to sell them into sex slavery out of concern for optics.

 

[sk8knight]

Why are you pretending to be a moron? Of course there were children separated, or if they came in alone under Obama. However it is an undeniable fact that trump implemented a 100% detention policy for families, where under Obama families were released and given a court date. So while their were still kids in detention under Obama, and that is absolutely a tragedy, Trump is the one attempting to disgustingly use children as a bargaining chip to build his insane out dated wall.

Given a court date and never seen or heard from again by immigration. Until they committed some crime and then immigration could catch back up with them. Except then you had cities and a state saying they won’t even share that much with the federal government. Oakland even goes so far as to warn illegals about an upcoming federal enforcement action largely targeting violent criminal aliens. So, how then do you propose the federal government enforced immigration policy? Beg them to come in?

You barely ever miss an opportunity to chastise others when you think they are playing dumb; how about you not play dumb yourself as if the detainment order was the first action in this situation.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Given a court date and never seen or heard from again by immigration. Until they committed some crime and then immigration could catch back up with them. Except then you had cities and a state saying they won’t even share that much with the federal government. Oakland even goes so far as to warn illegals about an upcoming federal enforcement action largely targeting violent criminal aliens. So, how then do you propose the federal government enforced immigration policy? Beg them to come in?

You barely ever miss an opportunity to chastise others when you think they are playing dumb; how about you not play dumb yourself as if the detainment order was the first action in this situation.

Actually most showed up for court dates, and undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. But good job showing your disgusting tribalistic ignorance again.

 

[NinjaKnight]

And obama also released kids into the hands of human traffickers. Not worth being outraged over? At least now we know that kids won't be reunited with people who are going to sell them into sex slavery out of concern for optics.

Sure it is, but I never said it was the perfect solution. It is better than guaranteed childhood trauma that trump implemented.

 

[Crazyhole]

Sure it is, but I never said it was the perfect solution. It is better than guaranteed childhood trauma that trump implemented.

Being sold into sex slavery is better than the trauma of being separated from your parents after they broke the law? Hmmmm.

 

[The Branch]

Trump fixed the problem that HE created, by implementing a 100% detention policy. I'm not going to celebrate him fixing that, you'd have to be a complete moron to do so.

THIS is exactly your problem. You "pretend" it's about the kids .... but it's about Trump. You know it....I know it .... the entire message board knows it.

Every time somebody points out that this policy was in place long before Trump ... you have to duck, dodge, dip, duck, and pretend that Trump made it worse. That's the only way you feel better about it.

 

[sk8knight]

Actually most showed up for court dates, and undocumented immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens. But good job showing your disgusting tribalistic ignorance again.

Yet, illegal immigrant communities report crimes at a lower rate so can you really say they commit crime at a lower rate? How about the ongoing felonies of being here in the first place, of identity theft, of welfare fraud, etc. Also, produce the study that said they do come to court, because there have been a plethora of government officials that have stated otherwise.

Does it make you feel smarter to call others stupid when most of your arguments rely on oversimplistic elimination of variables in complex systems?

 

[NinjaKnight]

Being sold into sex slavery is better than the trauma of being separated from your parents after they broke the law? Hmmmm.

I never said that. Again, you show you really need to work on the basics of reading comprehension. A small portion of the kids are mules, while every single one that gets detained will have trauma from that.

THIS is exactly your problem. You "pretend" it's about the kids .... but it's about Trump. You know it....I know it .... the entire message board knows it.

Every time somebody points out that this policy was in place long before Trump ... you have to duck, dodge, dip, duck, and pretend that Trump made it worse. That's the only way you feel better about it.

No, it's not. You are truly a piece of shit human being if you think like this. I have said, and proven, time and time again that I don't give a shit what letter is next to someone's name. YOU are obsessed with making sure democrats take all the blame.

Yet, illegal immigrant communities report crimes at a lower rate so can you really say they commit crime at a lower rate? How about the ongoing felonies of being here in the first place, of identity theft, of welfare fraud, etc. Also, produce the study that said they do come to court, because there have been a plethora of government officials that have stated otherwise.

Does it make you feel smarter to call others stupid when most of your arguments rely on oversimplistic elimination of variables in complex systems?

Always an excuse pulled out of your ass with zero basis in reality to fit your preconceived beliefs. I'm not going to bother citing the studies, you will just disregard them exactly like that the Slate said conservatives tend to do.

But don't worry, you don't have to prove to me you aren't a disgusting ignorant person, I already know the truth based on your other thread. Shoot 'em all and let the Lord sort 'em out, and MAGA.

 

[Crazyhole]

"I never said that. Again, you show you really need to work on the basics of reading comprehension. A small portion of the kids are mules, while every single one that gets detained will have trauma from that."

Not a single one won't be traumatized? Only a small portion are mules?

Citation please.

 

[NinjaKnight]

"I never said that. Again, you show you really need to work on the basics of reading comprehension. A small portion of the kids are mules, while every single one that gets detained will have trauma from that."

Not a single one won't be traumatized? Only a small portion are mules?

Citation please.

Every single child that gets separated from their parents will have trauma from that experience. Not every single child that crosses the border is a mule. Therefore, Trump's 100% detention policy for families will cause more trauma. Did I type that slow enough for you this time?

 

[The Branch]

LIberals rage at the NRA when crazy people shoot up a school.

Liberals rage at republicans when some idiot mother tries to enter a country illegal and gets her and her kids detained.

Nobody blames the actual perps anymore.

 

[The Branch]

Every single child that gets separated from their parents will have trauma from that experience. Not every single child that crosses the border is a mule. Therefore, Trump's 100% detention policy for families will cause more trauma. Did I type that slow enough for you this time?

Trump causes trauma .... or the parents? You have misplaced your fake rage.

 

[UCFKnight85]

"I never said that. Again, you show you really need to work on the basics of reading comprehension. A small portion of the kids are mules, while every single one that gets detained will have trauma from that."

Not a single one won't be traumatized? Only a small portion are mules?

Citation please.

I wish these people had even a sliver of the same concern for the towns in America being ravaged by cheap Mexican meth flowing across our border, as they do for the illegal aliens breaking our laws on the border

 

[NinjaKnight]

Trump causes trauma .... or the parents? You have misplaced your fake rage.

You would do the exact same thing if you were in their shoes. Have a shred of humanity.

 

[The Branch]

You would do the exact same thing if you were in their shoes. Have a shred of humanity.

Haha .... you are so wrong .... dead wrong .... 100% wrong.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Haha .... you are so wrong .... dead wrong .... 100% wrong.

Ok, tell me what you would do if you had a family in a third world country struggling to survive, your child is sick and probably won't make it with the terrible infrastructure and little money you make.

I'll wait.