US Media Jumps the Cuomo v. DeSantis Shark With 60 Minutes

[UCFBS]

I'm no defender of Republicans, much less Trump...

But when Bernie loving Democrats like Krystal here nail it... I think the left is doomed.

What 'trusted' 60 Minutes did to DeSantis isn't just going to make him even more popular with Republicans, but could even launch him into the White House with so many Democrats rushing to his defense.

The US Media, even 60 Minutes, are so desperate to get DeSantis on 'Pay to Play,' as Cuomo is utterly guilty of such - - and so much more - - that their Narrative is utterly backfiring now.

I literally think this is the 'jump the shark' moment in the past year's Cuomo v. DeSantis debate. How can anyone believe the US Media in DeSantis at this point, especially after the year long bashing of him, and in the wake of the Cuomo love affair turned spurn?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Unfortunately, however, the damage is done. I highly doubt 60 Minutes is going to do a follow-up to this and issue an apology or review of their work.

This is why I've just stopped watching the news altogether. It isn't news as it were. It more closely resembles the theater with shitty commercials every 5 minutes.

 

[Nautiknight]

Publix is the lynch pin here. What I mean is they can sue the crap out of 60 minutes and should . Yesterday the New York Supreme Court ruled Project Veritas can go forward with their law suit against New York Times in what could be an epic liable case . CBS should be taken down big time with a liable case against them. Publix should do it. Neither Publix or Desantis engaged in any kind of scheme here .

What frankly pisses me off I regards to media and social media tech companies is their blind hate for Trump last year truly distorted much needed clarity for Covid related information. Science and medicine should not be political and our media made it so. Cuomo should be charged for murder straight up with his incompetence of handeling Covid in his state sending sick Covid positive patients into nursing homes. That was gross negligence to incompotence . However, due to it being an election year for a President they loathe , there is no way any light is going to thrown in how guys like Desantis was doing and no actual criticism in how that idiot Cuomo killed people with his executive orders . He got an emmy.

I loathe the American press for their inability to report truth and facts and constantly push a narrative that doesn't exist. They totally made a mess of this pandemic and created excess fear ,politicized a virus and in doing so you have half this country thinking one way and another thinking another In regards to a virus.

Desantis did it right in Florida . Publix stepped up and did their civic duty and offered to help for free. 60 Minutes out right lied with malace. Publix and even Desantis should sue them into bankruptcy. I say this because until those CEOs stop this nonsense ,the agenda of the press ,it's only going to get worse. The only way to stop it is to go to court , all the way to a jury trial with discovery and sue for billions . Then and only then will these big corporations take notice to get their reporting with honesty and integrity back into their news rooms.

 

[DaShuckster]

60 Minutes out right lied with malace. Publix and even Desantis should sue them into bankruptcy. I say this because until those CEOs stop this nonsense ,the agenda of the press ,it's only going to get worse. The only way to stop it is to go to court , all the way to a jury trial with discovery and sue for billions . Then and only then will these big corporations take notice to get their reporting with honesty and integrity back into their news rooms.

We'll see how this plays out. If a news organization outright lies with malice, they SHOULD get the crap sued out of them.

But for some strange reason, I suspect the posters here who are SO outraged by what 60 Minutes allegedly did will be singing a much different tune when it comes to Dominion Voting Systems' defamation lawsuit against Fox News for their false accusations of a rigged election.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

We'll see how this plays out. If a news organization outright lies with malice, they SHOULD get the crap sued out of them.

But for some strange reason, I suspect the posters here who are SO outraged by what 60 Minutes allegedly did will be singing a much different tune when it comes to Dominion Voting Systems' defamation lawsuit against Fox News for their false accusations of a rigged election.

Fox News effed up and should get the living shit sued out of them.

60 Minutes simply should have a lot more respect for the 2024 Republican nominee.

 

[Poolside Knight]

the Lakewood Ranch pop up was suspicious

but if anyone is being honest the only Governors doing ‘bad’ in vaccine distribution are Georgia and Texas. at least as of a week or 2 ago. the rest are roughly the same per Capita and Biden adding the Fema sites really helped everyone, especially the first month to lower the stress on the retail pharmacies and state sites

 

[Poolside Knight]

Fox News effed up and should get the living shit sued out of them.

60 Minutes simply should have a lot more respect for the 2024 Republican nominee.

lol he will implode like Rubio once he has to debate 15 times . He isn’t a very talented politician once he gets in front of a camera, it works in FL bc the DNC here is inept. Nationally I don’t see it and 4 years is an eternity

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

lol he will implode like Rubio once he has to debate 15 times . He isn’t a very talented politician once he gets in front of a camera, it works in FL bc the DNC here is inept. Nationally I don’t see it and 4 years is an eternity

Right. Rubio is a terrible debater and never could hold his own for more than two minutes. Ron baby routinely buries these reporters and speaks very well.

DeSantis 2024. And it won't be close.

 

[Poolside Knight]

Right. Rubio is a terrible debater and never could hold his own for more than two minutes. Ron baby routinely buries these reporters and speaks very well.

DeSantis 2024. And it won't be close.

not in a debate setting he isn’t. I guess being pissed off all the time resonates w GOP Base these days but that act won’t play well when he isn’t arguing about Covid

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

not in a debate setting he isn’t. I guess being pissed off all the time resonates w GOP Base these days but that act won’t play well when he isn’t arguing about Covid

He is a lawyer. He's fine at debating and you clearly haven't watched him in action.

Quit being a parrot for Rachel Maddow and come up with an original thought.

 

[Poolside Knight]

He is a lawyer. He's fine at debating and you clearly haven't watched him in action.

I watched him debate Gillum , he isn’t a good debater and comes off bitter. the favorite 3.5 years out at cpac rarely becomes the nominee , go look up the gop favorite in summer 2012

 

[DaShuckster]

I guess being pissed off all the time resonates w GOP Base these days

No fooling. Health care? Infrastructure? Jobs? Balanced Budget? Immigration reform? When was the last time you heard a Republican for national office roll out ANY plan on these issues?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I watched him debate Gillum , he isn’t a good debater and comes off bitter. the favorite 3.5 years out at cpac rarely becomes the nominee , go look up the gop favorite in summer 2012

Ok, Rachel. We will see. These MAGA chuds are gonna roll Ron right into Washington. Get ready.

 

[Poolside Knight]

No fooling. Health care? Infrastructure? Jobs? Balanced Budget? Immigration reform? When was the last time you heard a Republican for national office roll out ANY plan on these issues?

and the infrastructure bill is polling in the 60s.
They currently don’t have policy so they go all in on stupid culture wars, that won’t win back moderates . I remember the primary where Adam Putnam ran against DeSantis and his website was filled w details on his policies where DeSantis had like 4 bullet points and nothing else but a Wall commercial while running for Gov of a Peninsula .

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Immigration reform?

Ron is just gonna say he’s gonna keep locking them in cages like Obama and Biden.

 

[Crazyhole]

I watched him debate Gillum , he isn’t a good debater and comes off bitter. the favorite 3.5 years out at cpac rarely becomes the nominee , go look up the gop favorite in summer 2012

Primaries are different now than they used to be for the GOP. Obviously things can change in 3 years, but currently I would say that DeSantis has the cult of personality thing going with at least 30% of the base and would be considered an acceptable candidate by 80-90%. A good comparison would be Obama in 2008.

 

[DaShuckster]

A good comparison would be Obama in 2008.

 

[Crazyhole]

Fair enough. DeSantis is actually more qualified for the job.

 

[UCFBS]

Fair enough. DeSantis is actually more qualified for the job.

Yes, DeSantis is far more qualified for the Presidency than Obama.

And on insinuations of corruption, after a year, the US Media -- even the best of the best like 60 Minutes -- are literally a joke, when they consider Cuomo to be less corrupt.

 

[Poolside Knight]

talk about disrespecting one of the most talented politicians of a generation

and Cuomo has been trashed plenty by media. DeSantis has gotten puff pieces by Politico and CNN, not everything is a grand conspiracy

 

[Poolside Knight]

What? Lord Cuomo has been thrashed by the media? Lol...the msm was showing a daily press briefing from him on a daily basis while zero criticism of what was widely known of his huge mistakes

was talking about the last few months ..not April 2020

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

talk about disrespecting one of the most talented politicians of a generation

Were you talking about Bill Clinton, then yes. Barry was a terrible politician.

 

[sk8knight]

was talking about the last few months ..not April 2020

So it only took the whistleblowing of his staff members about covering up his deadly mistakes and a bevy of sexual harassment complaints for the media to finally write some barely negative pieces against him. And you equate that to a hit piece by 60 minutes intentionally misrepresenting something that was a resounding positive for seniors of all socioeconomic and ethnic categories as a corrupt scheme when DeSantis should be getting praise for it. Do you seriously think these are the same things?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

So it only took the whistleblowing of his staff members about covering up his deadly mistakes and a bevy of sexual harassment complaints for the media to finally write some barely negative pieces against him. And you equate that to a hit piece by 60 minutes intentionally misrepresenting something that was a resounding positive for seniors of all socioeconomic and ethnic categories as a corrupt scheme when DeSantis should be getting praise for it. Do you seriously think these are the same things?

When the legend exceeds the fact, print the legend.

 

[Poolside Knight]

So it only took the whistleblowing of his staff members about covering up his deadly mistakes and a bevy of sexual harassment complaints for the media to finally write some barely negative pieces against him. And you equate that to a hit piece by 60 minutes intentionally misrepresenting something that was a resounding positive for seniors of all socioeconomic and ethnic categories as a corrupt scheme when DeSantis should be getting praise for it. Do you seriously think these are the same things?

Cuomo had nothing to do w this 60 minutes piece , everything doesn’t have to turn into Blue vs Red State Governor. I posted on this board that early pandemic I thought Newsome or Inslee was doing better in the 1st half of 2020 and it wasn’t covered ..that was more East Coast bias when you have a Governor on the other coast trying to manage a State w over 40 million people.

there are certain factors that make it dumb to have everyone make blanket comparisons : variants , urban density , seasons, number of single family homes, mass transit(non existent in FL), & information/timing. But everyone is trying to turn it into a Governor dick measuring contest. don’t care , just want everyone vaccinated so we can move on & other than Georgia and Texas , most States are doing well

 

[UCFBS]

was talking about the last few months ..not April 2020

And 97% of it over sexual harassement, not utter abuse of all sorts of privilege, beyond the fraud.

The very fact that the conflict-of-interest of the Cuomo brothers, including all the special perks Chris received when he caught SARS-CoV-2, is just icing on the cake.

DeSantis has been questioned for over a year about abuses and benefits that the Cuomos were blatantly displaying at the same time, but not being challenged about. And now this, from 60 minutes. It's utterly total loss of journalistic integrity.

Kinda like UCF getting Miami's NCAA sanctions a decade ago.

 

[sk8knight]

Cuomo had nothing to do w this 60 minutes piece , everything doesn’t have to turn into Blue vs Red State Governor. I posted on this board that early pandemic I thought Newsome or Inslee was doing better in the 1st half of 2020 and it wasn’t covered ..that was more East Coast bias when you have a Governor on the other coast trying to manage a State w over 40 million people.

there are certain factors that make it dumb to have everyone make blanket comparisons : variants , urban density , seasons, number of single family homes, mass transit(non existent in FL), & information/timing. But everyone is trying to turn it into a Governor dick measuring contest. don’t care , just want everyone vaccinated so we can move on & other than Georgia and Texas , most States are doing well

The reason 60 minutes, CNN, MSNBC, the NYT, WaPo, and the Tribune Company has been going after DeSantis is because they see him as a real threat to Harris in 2024. They’re terrified that a professional and respectful version of Trump will capture all of the positive momentum Trump had with the Republican base and with bringing more minorities into the fold without alienating the neverTrumpers and the Southern Suburban Housewives. So they are going to do everything that they can to destroy him before he gains real momentum.

Similar to how they thought Cuomo was the next in line on the Democrat side and they did everything they could to elevate him.

 

[UCFBS]

Cuomo had nothing to do w this 60 minutes piece

The 60 Minute piece has everything to do with asserting DeSantis is far more corrupt than Cuomo, and the entire 'Pay to Play' narrative that allegedly only sticks to 'big business' Republicans.

Especially since Big Tech hates Governors of large states like Florida that refuse to pay them mass sums of money to develop tracking software and related, distributed systems, unlike other, large states like New York.

It's a continuation of the entire, past 12+ months that everything DeSantis does is wrong, corrupt, deadly and partisan, especially now that everything that has been asserted about DeSantis, is actually what Cuomo has been doing.

Even more so now that Democrats are having to cross the US Media to call out their misinformation on DeSantis at the same time Cuomo is finally feeling heat from the same.

To me, this is literally boiling down to the Progressives pushing an 1984 agenda over alleged safety claims, when their entire contact tracking and other information expenditures did absolutely nothing but waste a lot of taxpayer time and money over the last year.

The two are absolutely related, and continue the trend of Progressives hell-bent on controlling the country and destroying freedom at the same time. They are long removed from being Liberals, and have far more in common with FDR, JFK and W., and those are not flattering names from civil rights and control standpoints.

 

[goodknightfl]

We'll see how this plays out. If a news organization outright lies with malice, they SHOULD get the crap sued out of them.

But for some strange reason, I suspect the posters here who are SO outraged by what 60 Minutes allegedly did will be singing a much different tune when it comes to Dominion Voting Systems' defamation lawsuit against Fox News for their false accusations of a rigged election.

Dominion has every right to sue, just like Publix. Dominion whether they did anything this election or not, does have a track record, That will make their case a bit tougher. We know that 6k votes were flipped in one county in Michigan, and for the most part no one has been able to look into the system anywhere else.

 

[DaShuckster]

We know that 6k votes were flipped in one county in Michigan, and for the most part no one has been able to look into the system anywhere else.

If you ask me, it's awfully damn risky of Dominion to risk a major, big-time lawsuit against Fox News when 'everybody' knows 6K votes got flipped in Michigan with no explanation.

Thank Goodness Fox News reported it!

 

[Boosted87]

I agree that Desantis gets way more crap than he deserves. I think the Publix story was crap - BUT this is the logical conclusion of a world where Corporations can donate $100k to a governor and end up with a lucrative contract a few weeks later. Journalists *should* be investigating things like that - but obviously should report based on the facts and not a narrative they are trying to construct.

To be honest, I think Desantis has struck the best possible balance (politically speaking) between Trump / establishment over the last couple of years. He hasn't been an outspoken defender of Trump, but also has avoided saying critical things that could turn Trump or the base against him. Dust ups like this are great for him. The facts are on his side, it gives him credibility with the base who hates the media, and reinforces to media-skeptical moderates to his benefit. So this story is a win/win for him.

I think Desantis is a good politician here. He seems to have good instincts on where he positions himself. I think he'll easily win re-election and would be a serious contender to POTUS if he runs. But if I were him, I wouldn't run in 2024. I think he's smart enough to lie low that cycle and be a serious contender in 2028.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I agree that Desantis gets way more crap than he deserves. I think the Publix story was crap - BUT this is the logical conclusion of a world where Corporations can donate $100k to a governor and end up with a lucrative contract a few weeks later. Journalists *should* be investigating things like that - but obviously should report based on the facts and not a narrative they are trying to construct.

To be honest, I think Desantis has struck the best possible balance (politically speaking) between Trump / establishment over the last couple of years. He hasn't been an outspoken defender of Trump, but also has avoided saying critical things that could turn Trump or the base against him. Dust ups like this are great for him. The facts are on his side, it gives him credibility with the base who hates the media, and reinforces to media-skeptical moderates to his benefit. So this story is a win/win for him.

I think Desantis is a good politician here. He seems to have good instincts on where he positions himself. I think he'll easily win re-election and would be a serious contender to POTUS if he runs. But if I were him, I wouldn't run in 2024. I think he's smart enough to lie low that cycle and be a serious contender in 2028.

I think he's going to have to strike while the iron is hot. He has flat-out knocked Florida's recovery of COVID out of the park. This state is on fire, economically and only will get better. You have to think his chances would be better in 2024 with an ancient Biden (if he truly runs) opposing him.

 

[sk8knight]

I think he's going to have to strike while the iron is hot. He has flat-out knocked Florida's recovery of COVID out of the park. This state is on fire, economically and only will get better. You have to think his chances would be better in 2024 with an ancient Biden (if he truly runs) opposing him.

Shall we start a deadpool at how many days Biden makes it before stepping down and passing the torch to VP Harris?

 

[sk8knight]

I agree that Desantis gets way more crap than he deserves. I think the Publix story was crap - BUT this is the logical conclusion of a world where Corporations can donate $100k to a governor and end up with a lucrative contract a few weeks later. Journalists *should* be investigating things like that - but obviously should report based on the facts and not a narrative they are trying to construct.

To be honest, I think Desantis has struck the best possible balance (politically speaking) between Trump / establishment over the last couple of years. He hasn't been an outspoken defender of Trump, but also has avoided saying critical things that could turn Trump or the base against him. Dust ups like this are great for him. The facts are on his side, it gives him credibility with the base who hates the media, and reinforces to media-skeptical moderates to his benefit. So this story is a win/win for him.

I think Desantis is a good politician here. He seems to have good instincts on where he positions himself. I think he'll easily win re-election and would be a serious contender to POTUS if he runs. But if I were him, I wouldn't run in 2024. I think he's smart enough to lie low that cycle and be a serious contender in 2028.

I would agree with Joe that DeSantis needs to strike while the iron is hot. The caveat is if, somehow, the Democrat machine is able to push the civil unrest and pandemic fear into 2023. Also, if the economy tanks this year, the Democrats are going to blame Trump and the pandemic and use that to fuel their 2024 run. But if the economy stays relatively stable and the Democrat's pandemic and critical race pandering start wearing on the populace, then DeSantis will be in the perfect place to capitalize.

 

[DaShuckster]

I would agree with Joe that DeSantis needs to strike while the iron is hot.

Yeah, I remember the same thing being said three years out about the Governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Yeah, I remember the same thing being said three years out about the Governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker.

I think you still greatly underestimate Trump's appeal to voters. Yes, fewer people in this country voted for him versus Biden, but he still garnered 71 million votes. Were he even remotely more likable to moderates and had the ability to stfu when he needed to, he probably wins pretty easily last Nov.

I think many of the MAGA hats are going to put their faith in Ron, and that will mean more with him coming from FL than a very wishy-washy and not very intelligent Walker from Wisconsin.

 

[Boosted87]

I would agree with Joe that DeSantis needs to strike while the iron is hot. The caveat is if, somehow, the Democrat machine is able to push the civil unrest and pandemic fear into 2023. Also, if the economy tanks this year, the Democrats are going to blame Trump and the pandemic and use that to fuel their 2024 run. But if the economy stays relatively stable and the Democrat's pandemic and critical race pandering start wearing on the populace, then DeSantis will be in the perfect place to capitalize.

There's obviously alot of time between now and 2024. I generally agree that - based on the field as of today - I think Desantis would be the best R general election candidate that I'm aware of.

But, I think the 2024 Republican nomination process could be a real mess. You're going to have some token old-school Republicans trying to un-Trump the party. You're going to have Trump boot lickers raging about rigged elections and calling Trump the greatest president in history. Do I think Desantis is best equipped to navigate that balancing act? Yes - if Trump doesn't play kingmaker.

But if Trump plays kingmaker, shit show potential goes through the roof. I can see him treating it like a season of the apprentice. You don't get his blessing unless you're willing to say the things that will be general election cancer. And if he opposes you, you're DOA in the primaries.

Plus, he'll win re-election in Florida and then have to almost immediately start campaigning for president, which won't be a great look. So instead of staining his reputation with moderate/independents by participating in the Trump Hunger Games, he can finish out his 2nd term as governor and then immediately move into 2028 POTUS campaign mode.

Under the assumption Biden wins and serves a 2nd term, that makes the most sense for him IMO. If Biden announces he won't seek a 2nd term, the math certainly changes but I still think the downside risk of Trump being involved are too much for someone in his position.

 

[Boosted87]

Yeah, I remember the same thing being said three years out about the Governor of Wisconsin, Scott Walker.

I wouldn't compare the two. Desantis is light years ahead of Walker as a politician IMO.

 

[Boosted87]

I think you still greatly underestimate Trump's appeal to voters. Yes, fewer people in this country voted for him versus Biden, but he still garnered 71 million votes. Were he even remotely more likable to moderates and had the ability to stfu when he needed to, he probably wins pretty easily last Nov.

I think many of the MAGA hats are going to put their faith in Ron, and that will mean more with him coming from FL than a very wishy-washy and not very intelligent Walker from Wisconsin.

I think that goes both ways also - I think many on the right over-estimate Trump's appeal to voters. I honestly don't believe there is a single D he beats in 2016 EXCEPT Hillary. In 2020 he had all the inherent advantages of incumbency and dramatically underperformed his 2016 numbers.

Your point on him winning easily in 2020 if he was a decent human being is true though. Incumbents have a HUGE advantage and COVID should have been the existential threat rallied people around a POTUS who could lead. The fact that he lost in spite of that shows the limit of his appeal.

 

[Crazyhole]

As is always the case, the primary schedule will largely determine who the nominee is. I'm not sure who Trump may end up backing, but I could easily see DeSantis winning Iowa no matter what and New Hampshire is in his wheelhouse. South Carolina is a wildcard.