Biden is following the same strategy. He's trying to be a little bit too much milquetoast when we still live in a political cult of personality world. Nobody is excited to vote for biden, they are excited to vote for or against trump.
Walkaway movement gaining steam quickly.
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Biden is following the same strategy. He's trying to be a little bit too much milquetoast when we still live in a political cult of personality world. Nobody is excited to vote for biden, they are excited to vote for or against trump.
Well I guess it depends on how you view debates. She most certainly laid out policies and things of that nature to a far greater degree than Trump could even pretend to, which IMO is what debates should be about and why she kicked his ass. If you prefer bullying as a debate metric then ok, he kicked her ass.
It isnt the same scenario. In 2016 Trump was unknown as a political entity, that isnt the case in 2020. As of now I think Biden is knowing exactly what he needs to be doing, and that is essentially letting Trump beat himself.
It still wouldnt change the fact that the majority of this year has been an absolute disaster. And even if we do get a vaccine, it likely wouldnt be widely available until at least the end of the year or early next year. And yes, the pressers being brought back is absolutely a politicial calculation, because he knows he is losing right now.
And you have a hard time admitting people can have a different opinion than yours.
When the opinion is dead wrong, that would be how I usually proceed.
My "Trump resigns" October Surprise is not beyond the realm of possibility.
When the reality hits home that he has no chance in hell of getting reelected, he resigns for some bullshit made-up reason and we have to deal the the stupidity of a four month Pence Presidency because Trump's too much of a chicken shit to deal with the humiliation of a loss and dealing with Biden and his transition team.)
When the reality hits home that he has no chance in hell of getting reelected, he resigns for some bullshit made-up reason and we have to deal the the stupidity of a four month Pence Presidency because Trump's too much of a chicken shit to deal with the humiliation of a loss and dealing with Biden and his transition team.)
It doesn't matter what the year has been like any more than what the last 4 have been like when you put a game-changer out there. Announce it in the first week of October and watch the stock market soar. Confidence in the economy comes back and at that point its game over for biden.
Who care about the stock market soaring? People will care about jobs and being able to pay their mortgage and rent. The stock market doesnt have a daily impact on the vast majority of Americans, and most arent going to care about the stock market if they are personally struggling with even having an income.
Its the single most effective talking point when it comes to the economy. I agree that its stupid and have always said that, but a lot of people measure the health of the economy by the DOW.
No it most certainly is not. The Dow is at almost 26,500 right now, which is still high, and a lot higher than it was in March. Yet, unemployment #s are out the roof. You way over value how much people care about the stock market. Most people who are invested are invested in retirement plans that they dont want to touch until they retire. The stock market being high right now provides little to no benefit to average Americans.
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Like I said earlier. I really don’t care what you believe or worry about.
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Employed people measure the health of the economy by the DOW, not unemployment. Its stupid, but it is a tried and true method used by politicians since forever. When people have a job and see unemployment numbers they are thankful that they arent in that category so it doesn't have nearly as much effect.
But people are losing jobs right now, that is the point that you arent acknowledging. Someone who just had to shut down their business or got laid off isnt going to be like "well, the Dow is high, I guess everything is working out for me ok". Plus, as I noted that you also didnt acknowledge. The DOW is currently at 26,500, which is pretty high. It's basically at the same point it was in in January of 2018 when everyone acted like the economy was so great. So if the Dow being high is as nearly important of a measure as you are making it out to be, then why arent Trump's numbers better right now? Why arent people celebrating a great economy like at the beginning of 2018? THe Dow is actually higher now than it was in 12/18. If your premise were correct, we would be talking about how great the economy is right now.
I suppose that's the line to take when you're a Trump supporter and the nation has 15 million unemployed people.
Holy cow. Out of every single person on this board I am by far the most bearish on the economy. We are flat out screwed, period. I am talking about how politicians always define the strength of the economy by the DOW and a great many people listen to that and believe it. Unemployment numbers only resonate for about 3 days every quarter when the report comes out and then it goes away. The DOW, otoh, is daily and gets a ton of attention especially when an election is getting close.
If trump announces a successful vaccine in early October, the dow will surge. The jobs report will come out about the same time but there won't be anything new reported between then and election day, so the only measure of the economy that will have updates is the stock market. Its a real-time metric that they use for political purposes, thats all. Disagree if you want but it is absolutely true.
Politicians definitions of the economy dont matter, if people are literally losing their jobs and struggling to make ends meet. IN a relatively normal economy you might have a point, but not in an economy that is in free fall. You are acting as if people are just going to ignore the reality they see and feel around them because a politician says so. Telling someone who has lost their job that the economy is great because the DOW is doing well is going to look like the only thing Trump and Republicans care about is Wall Street. Considering Trump ran on this "forgotten man" narrative in 2016, that would basically just be telling those same people their situations dont matter, because Wall St is doing well. People will see through that elitism in a heartbeat.
But again, if what you say is true, then how come that isnt the narrative right now? The DOW is at 26,500, so if the stock market carried so much weight, then the country must assume that the economy is currently doing great, right? But that obviously isnt how people view the economy, because job loss is far more concerning to middle class Americans than the DOW.
Job loss isn't an issue right now because unemployment benefits are at the highest they've ever been by a wide margin. Its fake, but not having a job at the moment isn't really that big of a deal. We are talking 2-3% of the country at most and the Gov't is getting them through.
The DOW at this point in the cycle is irrelevant, but I will 100% guarantee you that if a vaccine is announced it will shoot up 20-30%. Thats a great talking point and will be used to act as though consumer confidence is high. Its a lie, but thats what happens.
It's whatever and I know that the whole thing is a farce, but this is the play. You can act as though everybody will think the whole world is crashing down at the end of October but that is in no way guaranteed.
Job loss isnt an issue? Are you serious? And the extra $600 benefit literally ends this week, and Republicans do not sound like they are going to extend it. They are proposing UE benefits of 70% of what someone was making prior to losing their job, meaning their incomes will be significantly less than prior to the pandemic.
The election is in 3 months, if the DOW is irrelevant now why do you think it is suddenly going to be relevant in only 3 months? (actually less than 3 months since early voting starts about a month before the election in most states). In a good economy narratives can certainly be pushed about the DOW being great, but that narrative isnt going to fly if people are literally trying to figure out how to pay their rent or mortgages. One of the top reasons Trump one was because of economic anxiety, and that was with good unemployment #s. I cant possibly see how you think that anxiety isnt going to exist 10 fold in this economy compared to the economy in 2016.
Did you completely lose the context of this conversation or are you just trying to argue?
I didnt lose any context, I am rebutting your claim that if the Dow is good people will think the economy is strong, and I have pointed out why that wont be the case. And instead of actually discussing the points I have made, you will now resort to your normal MO of just pretending I am changing the conversation. Everything I stated directly relates to the points you were trying to make, so dont pull that BS.
Please point out where I said people will think the economy is good if the Dow is up. I said politicians use the stock market as a metric for the health of the economy and it is an effective tactic.
I know that is what you said, and I am saying it doesnt matter if politicians use that as a metric, because people arent going to believe the economy is good if they cant find jobs.
And you have also avoided the point I have made several times now, that if you think that, then why isnt that happening now when the DOW is over 2600?
Because the only thing anybody talks about is covid right now. The market and economy in general is an afterthought. How many pages back do you have to go on this board to even find a thread on the stock market or unemployment that I didn't start? Nobody is talking about it.
This board isnt a reflection of society or the news. There are only like what, 9 or 10 people that regularly even post in this forum. Just look at the front page of the WC right now. There are many topics that are being discussed here, but arent really a big top out in the world. Unemployment and the economy has most certainly been all over the news.
https://www.cnn.com/ The top story on CNN right now is about the new stimulus package and unemployment.
https://www.foxnews.com/ There is a clip on the front page of Fox News about the economy.
https://www.nytimes.com/ An article about unemployments on the front page of the NY times.
https://abcnews.go.com/ ABC news as well.
Not sure what sources you use for your news but the economy has most certainly been covered since the whole thing started. Every one of those sources, and I am sure many more, have something about unemployment and the economy on their front page right now, while you are saying no one is talking about it.
The race is Biden's to lose. He has everything going to hell, and Trump will get the blame, even in states whose economies have been totally destroyed by Dem Governor's, who still have things pretty much on lock down.
That being said I don't put much Creedence in the Polling #s. Most are sampling using a 25% or less of republicans. It is the old Garbage in garbage out deal.
That being said I don't put much Creedence in the Polling #s. Most are sampling using a 25% or less of republicans. It is the old Garbage in garbage out deal.
Any republican voting for Biden isn’t walking away from their party, they are just feckless and voting against Trump. These people have woken up and are literally leaving their party. Some very moving testimonials.
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Also good example of why people aren’t openly showing their support for Trump. There are too many unhinged Democrats that can’t handle that other people think differently than them and want to physically harm them for the opposing views.
This is another good example of why people are fearful of showing their support for Trump.
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