You did not answer my question. You threw out a bunch of fear-mongering about Trump being a nascent dictator but you did not even come close to answering my question about today’s world.
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I gave you two clear historical examples. Secondly, you understand how that is a difficult question to answer? You are asking me to be a mind reader more or less. I am sure many people in Saudi Arabia for example, want to get a different government, but at the same time it is a very religious country so I am sure many civilians think living under Islamic law is proper. So how exactly am I supposed to answer that? I am supposed to know what every civilian in an authoritarian state truly wants? Plus, there are plenty of countries in the world with strict gun control who arent authoritarian, so trying to make authoritarianism into a gun control issue is still off base, or there would be a lot more authoritarian countries. It is a people issue. Hitler isnt shit without a strong army and support in his country. Making this about guns and not about the fact the anyone who rises to power has to have a lot of support, is basically erasing the major component of how authoritarians tend to take control to begin with. Look at Hungary, it is essentially a fascist state now, but the president was elected, so he obviously has some support in the country. So did gun control cause his rise? Or did the people cause his rise?
My point is that no one in governmental power strongly enough to bend that government to their will is using non-governmental forces to force opposition government elements to fall in line. They will replace the opposition government in power with sycophants almost immediately and then leverage the power of government. Sure, it’s easier when they have a significant portion of the public with them. But they won’t be in opposition to the government.
You are so afraid of Trump being some fascist dictator and those people that are passionate about him that you cannot see any example of it but that. I would hope that you could see how the government has been used against conservatives by a cult of personality President and that it’s a danger that grows as we give more power to the federal government, no matter who is in the Oval Office. But I have no faith that you see this as anything but a partisan worry against the Trump administration and that is sad because that jackass isn’t nearly as dangerous as the snakes that have been taking away our freedoms while we cheered for them.
I am not sure how your first paragraph is disagreeing with what I am saying.
For the 2nd paragraph, an example of what exactly? You are trying to tie gun control to fascism, but then you are putting on me to prove you wrong. Why dont you prove yourself right? Again, if control was such a major ingredient with regards to fascism and authoritarianism, then why is that that so many countries with much stricter gun control than what we have, are not fascist?
I said nothing about Trump in that post, so dont put that fixation on me when you are the one talking about it. But in saying that, I dont know what you mean by the government is used against conservatives? You are going to have to give examples or explain what you mean by that. Where I am sitting, the electoral college certainly helps conservatives, the fact they appoint more judges than democrats helps conservatives, gerrymandering can help both sides but at this point it certainly helps conservatives. So you are going to have to explain what you mean by that.
What freedoms have you lost?
Uh, yea. Our government no longer had a will to commit troops to fight the Taliban who were primarily armed with AK's, trucks, and home made IEDs. Even if we really hadn't been committing ground troops for over a year anyways.
If there's no Taliban there's no pressure to leave since there would be no threat to US forces.
There have been corruptions of many of our rights that result in infringements by government but not total loss. The first amendment, for example, has been infringed for public safety and we give that up for the value. But lately, the government has worked with private industry in the media and social media to define mutually acceptable speech and then the private industry goes off and performs the censorship. Sure, I have the freedom to use another forum, but with the vast majority of people using a small set of forums that are implementing the government’s desired messaging, then it is de facto government infringing upon the first amendment.
Every dollar the federal government takes from me for anything but the essential services needed to maintain our Union is an infringement of my right to the pursuit of happiness. We accept them to some degree or other but they are all encroachments.
I’ll spare you the rest of a moderately libertarian scree because you won’t agree with me and that’s just fine.
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All the military technology in the world isn’t going to make the Afghan populace at large accepting of an installed western democracy. The US left the quagmire because their original end goal was implausible. Not because the Taliban had guns.
that was actually one of the best Superman stories. the ending was super creative too
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