What is Critical Race Theory??

[chemmie]

and why are old, white, men, so upset about it? According to Tucker Carlson, and my father, it is the worst thing going on in the world right now.
I have no idea what it is, and my wife who works in public schools has no idea either.

What is this latest boogieman made up by old white men to scare their racist voter base?

 

[DaShuckster]

The hilarious thing is that it’s a high-level graduate course discussing inherent bias in our system of governance but it’s being treated as a devious attempt at indoctrinating our youngsters. It’s like the right-wing fear mongers have combined it with the 1619 Project (ironically, an effort to avoid whitewashing our history) to give their target audience something new to freak out about.

We already have a Chud here in Nebraska campaigning for Governor with TV ads assuring voters that he will do everything in his power to remove critical race theory from our schools and insure our children get an education ‘free of propaganda.’

 

[NinjaKnight]

Already got a thread on this where I explain exactly what it is: the imaginary boogyman for this elections talking point to spin up angry stupid white people into a voting frenzy.

The equivalent of the border invasion from last election cycle.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Read the first 100 pages or so of Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States and you get an example of what CRT is. It’s actually very interesting and gives people a better contextualization of our history. I don’t find it to be the bashing of whites as it’s made out to be by room-temperature IQ types like Tucker.

The opening bits on Columbus and his people are fascinating.

 

[Happy Hands]

After Occupy Wallstreet hit too close to the truth about wealth and control, a new strategy was needed to divide Americans because division by class is pretty obvious to everyone. Enter CRT, BLM and dividing people by race. The conservative wing of corporate media plays their part, the liberal wing plays theirs and viola. Or maybe it was just a coincidence that the BLM protests and riots began during difficult to justify lockdowns and when massive wealth was being grabbed by the already insanely rich.

so, it’s a neo-Marxist ideology based on the ideas of the Frankfurt school and postmodern thinkers like Derrida, Foucault, Lyotard, Marcuse, etc. It focuses on ideas of the struggle for power and language structure therein. I think it was originally started by lawyers, which explains why the writings are usually obtuse and equivocal. I would say that it is usually dumbed down in the media, but most of the current proponents for it aren’t particularly clear or interesting thinkers. Regardless, I stand by the idea that it is being used, though not originally intended, as a tool for division.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

I expected this to be the latest migrant caravan to stir up crotchety old white people in advance of the 2022 election cycle. Seems they are busting it out early, but maybe they want to plant the seed so they can really hit it hard next year.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

After Occupy Wallstreet hit too close to the truth about wealth and control, a new strategy was needed to divide Americans because division by class is pretty obvious to everyone. Enter CRT, BLM and dividing people by race. The conservative wing of corporate media plays their part, the liberal wing plays theirs and viola. Or maybe it was just a coincidence that the BLM protests and riots began during difficult to justify lockdowns and when massive wealth was being grabbed by the already insanely rich.

so, it’s a neo-Marxist ideology based on the ideas of the Frankfurt school and postmodern thinkers like Derrida, Foucault, Lyotard, Marcuse, etc. It focuses on ideas of the struggle for power and language structure therein. I think it was originally started by lawyers, which explains why the writings are usually obtuse and equivocal. I would say that it is usually dumbed down in the media, but most of the current proponents for it aren’t particularly clear or interesting thinkers. Regardless, I stand by the idea that it is being used, though not originally intended, as a tool for division.

Be honest: have you ever read Derrida, Foucault, or any of the other critical theorists you mentioned?

 

[NinjaKnight]

US Constitution: Black people are literally worth 3/5 of a white person (for trump voters who don't understand fractions this means the US Constitution says black people are worth less)

Critical Race Theory: US history has at some point treated black people worse than white people

Today's inbred GOP: guys you can't say America was racist!!!!

 

[Happy Hands]

Be honest: have you ever read Derrida, Foucault, or any of the other critical theorists you mentioned?

Yes. Throughout college and a few years in seminary, I mostly read philosophical and theological texts. Still do now. I almost moved to New York to work on an MA in critical theory.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Yes. Throughout college and a few years in seminary, I mostly read philosophical and theological texts. Still do now. I almost moved to New York to work on an MA in critical theory.

That’s awesome! I’ve encountered a lot of critical theory throughout my graduate studies years ago. I won’t lie, it is some of the most difficult reading that a person can do. That’s why I asked if you had read any of those authors.

 

[DaShuckster]

Enter CRT, BLM and dividing people by race.

Wow, who knew that the 'Black Lives Matter' protests and Critical Race Theory were actually spearheaded to expound a Neo-Marxist ideology and divide America!!!

Geez, all this time, I thought it was all about equal justice. Who knew it was really about pushing their 'Marxist' agendas in our faces?

 

[NinjaKnight]

Imagine thinking BLM wants to divide people by race when they are out there asking for black people to stop being murdered by cops.

Holy shit that might be the dumbest take of the week for this board.

 

[chemmie]

Oh, and the right-wing totally isn't racist.

 

[goodknightfl]

Racist on the right think they are superior to Blacks, Racist on the left think blacks are inferior and need liberal whites to equalize things. And then there are the great unwashed, who think everyone should be judged by what they do, and not their color. The last group is the worse of the worse.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Racist on the right think they are superior to Blacks, Racist on the left think blacks are inferior and need liberal whites to equalize things. And then there are the great unwashed, who think everyone should be judged by what they do, and not their color. The last group is the worse of the worse.

Every single time you post you look even dumber.

 

[Happy Hands]

Imagine thinking BLM wants to divide people by race when they are out there asking for black people to stop being murdered by cops.

Holy shit that might be the dumbest take of the week for this board.

I could probably make an argument for what I wrote simple enough for you guys, but you would just constantly read it in the least generous way possible. I think most people in BLM are not interested in dividing people. They believe in the causes for many reasons. The group in aggregate are what is being used. The protests last summer were not organic and the creation of BLM was never grass roots. It is a well funded political organization. How is this not obvious?

 

[Happy Hands]

That’s awesome! I’ve encountered a lot of critical theory throughout my graduate studies years ago. I won’t lie, it is some of the most difficult reading that a person can do. That’s why I asked if you had read any of those authors.

I was interested in phenomenology and postmodernity at the time. The Critical theorists were sort of the gateway to understanding what was meant by late modernity/postmodernity. I think a lot of them enjoyed being difficult to understand in texts.

 

[_glaciers]

I have no idea what it is, and my wife who works in public schools has no idea either.

just because you and your wife are dumber than a sack of broken hammers, doesn't mean you need to project that onto us normal people.

anyways, the freak out over CRT is that its essentially anti-white propaganda. but, hating white, non-jewish people is all the rage these days, and self-hating whites enjoy improving their social credit score by taking part.

so here's the National Education Association (the largest labor union and the largest white-collar representative in the United States. It represents public school teachers and other support personnel) defending the teaching of CRT in k-12, as well as calling for Fentanyl Floyd's birthday to be a national holiday.

sorry i ruined your black panther party :/

 

[hemightbejeremy]

just because you and your wife are dumber than a sack of broken hammers, doesn't mean you need to project that onto us normal people.

anyways, the freak out over CRT is that its essentially anti-white propaganda. but, hating white, non-jewish people is all the rage these days, and self-hating whites enjoy improving their social credit score by taking part.

so here's the National Education Association (the largest labor union and the largest white-collar representative in the United States. It represents public school teachers and other support personnel) defending the teaching of CRT in k-12, as well as calling for Fentanyl Floyd's birthday to be a national holiday.

sorry i ruined your black panther party :/

We must stop this white oppression.

 

[chemmie]

We must stop this white oppression.

I feel so terrible for all the oppressed whiteys.

 

[NinjaKnight]

I could probably make an argument for what I wrote simple enough for you guys, but you would just constantly read it in the least generous way possible. I think most people in BLM are not interested in dividing people. They believe in the causes for many reasons. The group in aggregate are what is being used. The protests last summer were not organic and the creation of BLM was never grass roots. It is a well funded political organization. How is this not obvious?

Imagine being more concerned about how an organization is founded than the fact that America "the free" leads the world in incarceration rates and is murdering people in the streets with impunity.

I miss the intelligent happy hands

 

[_glaciers]

We must stop this white oppression.

propaganda isn't oppression, but it can be a gateway, as history has proved.

 

[chemmie]

the freak out over CRT is that its essentially anti-white propaganda.

Awwwww...

I mean, I've always known you were a full blown white power flag waiver, but you're really going out of your way to let everyone know these last few days.

 

[_glaciers]

Awwwww...

I mean, I've always known you were a full blown white power flag waiver, but you're really going out of your way to let everyone know these last few days.

> "CRT isnt real, stop being paranoid"
> "everything i disagree with is white supremacy"

pick a stance, retard.

 

[DaShuckster]

Awwwww...

I mean, I've always known you were a full blown white power flag waiver, but you're really going out of your way to let everyone know these last few days.

Subtlety has never been part of that troll's MO

 

[Crazyhole]

> "CRT isnt real, stop being paranoid"
> "everything i disagree with is white supremacy"

pick a stance, retard.

Give them a break. They can't even decide if race has anything to do with skin color.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Hope all my fellow straight white men can survive the travesty that is CRT. It's literal modern day slavery.

 

[Nautiknight]

US Constitution: Black people are literally worth 3/5 of a white person (for trump voters who don't understand fractions this means the US Constitution says black people are worth less)

Critical Race Theory: US history has at some point treated black people worse than white people

Today's inbred GOP: guys you can't say America was racist!!!!

Yep, the framers wrote that , but why? it's not because of what you suggest. For starters Thomas Jefferson in the very first draft of the Decleration of Independence wrote about many things that England thrust upon the colonies and he specifically called out slavery as an abomination to the land. however, the deal was with the Decleration was that ALL 13 colonies had to sign and agree with it before sending it to England. Two colonies would not sign it with the slavery language. Those two being Georgia and South Carolina. So Jefferson took it out.

Fast forward to the writing of the Constitution. it started in 1787 on May 25. It was ratified in 1791 . The 3/5ths language was a political compromise on the issue of slavery in the south in regards to house appointment. Yes, they counted each slave as 3/5th of a citizen to determine how many representatives the southern states would get. At the time only land owners could vote which at the time were only men. Globally at the time slavery was institution and globally women had no rights. History is context and the world sucked in 1791 for slaves and women.. The world not the America , the world functioned like this.

My take is the 3/5th compromise was a pragmatic way to get the Constitution ratified and the creation of the United States of America. It wasn't right but often in politics compromises are made which nobody is happy and sometimes it's not even right or just. These men did the best they could to move the ball down field just a little ..You habe to start somewhere. In the global context counting them as3/5ths is significantly more than what else was going on because in the Carribean and Africa they were just property and not counted at all.

America is flawed because mankind is flawed but American founding fathers were as bold and radical as they could be in their time. They weren't perfect but their ideas were and they were noble recognizing for the first time that men were meant to be free and the government was there to ensure a blanket of freedom for the people . Yes,this initially did not include women or slaves. The founders knew that and again If you look globally no other countries offeres women freedom and many allowed slavery. Again you have to start somewhere and address the shortcomings as you go often incrementally which is why Patrick Henry and his colleague George Mason insisted on a bill of rights and a process for amending the Constitution. We would have a means to tweak and address the flaws or shortcomings they could not address.. Unfortunately 70 short years later we addressed the slavery issue with the bloodiest war in American history. My great,great uncle died at Gettysburg in Union Blues addressing slavery . it took armed conflict to solve what could not be solved in Philadelphia in 1787 politically. but we fixed our wrong and after the ratification of the 13th Amendment those men and women counted 5/5ths. we fixed it and unfortunately change happens slowly and incrementally. That's how it is.

 

[sk8knight]

Yep, the framers wrote that , but why? it's not because of what you suggest. For starters Thomas Jefferson in the very first draft of the Decleration of Independence wrote about many things that England thrust upon the colonies and he specifically called out slavery as an abomination to the land. however, the deal was with the Decleration was that ALL 13 colonies had to sign and agree with it before sending it to England. Two colonies would not sign it with the slavery language. Those two being Georgia and South Carolina. So Jefferson took it out.

Fast forward to the writing of the Constitution. it started in 1787 on May 25. It was ratified in 1791 . The 3/5ths language was a political compromise on the issue of slavery in the south in regards to house appointment. Yes, they counted each slave as 3/5th of a citizen to determine how many representatives the southern states would get. At the time only land owners could vote which at the time were only men. Globally at the time slavery was institution and globally women had no rights. History is context and the world sucked in 1791 for slaves and women.. The world not the America , the world functioned like this.

My take is the 3/5th compromise was a pragmatic way to get the Constitution ratified and the creation of the United States of America. It wasn't right but often in politics compromises are made which nobody is happy and sometimes it's not even right or just. These men did the best they could to move the ball down field just a little ..You habe to start somewhere. In the global context counting them as3/5ths is significantly more than what else was going on because in the Carribean and Africa they were just property and not counted at all.

America is flawed because mankind is flawed but American founding fathers were as bold and radical as they could be in their time. They weren't perfect but their ideas were and they were noble recognizing for the first time that men were meant to be free and the government was there to ensure a blanket of freedom for the people . Yes,this initially did not include women or slaves. The founders knew that and again If you look globally no other countries offeres women freedom and many allowed slavery. Again you have to start somewhere and address the shortcomings as you go often incrementally which is why Patrick Henry and his colleague George Mason insisted on a bill of rights and a process for amending the Constitution. We would have a means to tweak and address the flaws or shortcomings they could not address.. Unfortunately 70 short years later we addressed the slavery issue with the bloodiest war in American history. My great,great uncle died at Gettysburg in Union Blues addressing slavery . it took armed conflict to solve what could not be solved in Philadelphia in 1787 politically. but we fixed our wrong and after the ratification of the 13th Amendment those men and women counted 5/5ths. we fixed it and unfortunately change happens slowly and incrementally. That's how it is.

Technically, they counted three out of every five, not each one as 3/5ths but that’s semantics. The more important thing was that there were free blacks that had full votes the entire time.

An interesting comment on it was made by Frederick Douglass, who interpreted the Constitution as an anti-slavery document: “But giving the provisions the very worse construction, what does it amount to? I answer — It is a downright disability laid upon the slaveholding States; one which deprives those States of two-fifths of their natural basis of representation. A black man in a free State is worth just two-fifths more than a black man in a slave State, as a basis of political power under the Constitution. Therefore, instead of encouraging slavery, the Constitution encourages freedom by giving an increase of “two-fifths” of political power to free over slave States. So much for the three-fifths clause; taking it at is worst, it still leans to freedom, not slavery; for, be it remembered that the Constitution nowhere forbids a coloured man to vote.”

 

[DaShuckster]

America is flawed because mankind is flawed but American founding fathers were as bold and radical as they could be in their time. They weren't perfect but their ideas were and they were noble recognizing for the first time that men were meant to be free and the government was there to ensure a blanket of freedom for the people . Yes, this initially did not include women or slaves.

So what's wrong with the 1619 project or CRT telling the truth? I went to high school when the curriculum taught the BS that the Civil War was really about 'states rights.' I had to go to college before learning much of what actually was American history.

Unfortunately telling the real story of American history in high schools across the country happens slowly. That's how it is.

 

[Nautiknight]

So what's wrong with the 1619 project or CRT telling the truth? I went to high school when the curriculum taught the BS that the Civil War was really about 'states rights.' I had to go to college before learning much of what actually was American history.

Unfortunately telling the real story of American history in high schools across the country happens slowly. That's how it is.

I have no issue with telling the truth. Fact is in 1619 slavery was a thing before the "founding". Globally,not just in the new world slavery was the rage. It's not an American sin nor was a problem created by the early European colonists. So, let's talk about the truth. Truth is African tribes caught and sold people from other tribes into slavery. British , Dutch and Portuguese slave traders showed up and bought them. Yes that sucks but Africans were just as dirty in the slave trade as white Europeans.

The truth is also this. Men like Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Washington, Henry , Mason and Hamilton all white had a better idea of governance and understood tyranny . They understood slavery was wrong and that all men are created equal with certain unalienable rights endowed by the creator ,not government. They saw a future where men were free to pursue their passion ,their interests and they knew they had the ability to come up with a Constitutional Republic. We are not a democracy as democracy fails through the tyranny of the majority. They broke the mold on monarchs and dictators and said nope we are going to do it better.

American Exceptionalism is not we are the greatest . it's we are the exception to the rule of governance when you look globally. We have protect speech and religious liberty like no one else . Even England to this day has speech codes and laws.

So if you want to teach 1619 go for it but you better have context and you better teach 1776 and delve into the original writings of Jefferson where he calls out slavery for what it is. Those evil white guys set the world on a new trajectory and ultimately while our nation had it's flaws and warts , show me utopia Shuck, America and our economy has done far more good for more people in this country and globally than any other natiion in the history of mankind . We are a generous people and we solve problems . Look at the pandemic . It came from China (accidentally or purposely) and it's the US pharmaceutical industry and government who is cranking out the vacines.

What is happening especially to young people is that we are failing to teach truth in context and we are virtue teaching with 21st Century values and thrusting them upon 17th century culture. If anything it should show how far we have come ,but nope the 1619 project intent is to sow discontent and frankly hate for America . I have no problem saying the global economy ran on slave trades ( there were white slaves too) and endentured servants . I have no problem saying those things or how poorly the US Government treated the native Americans. The other lesson in there is the American government never admits it's wrong . Our government breaks treaties ,treats people like garbage ,builds internment camps ( under Wilson and FDR both Democrats ) and such.. History tells me to keep government at arms length and not to be trusted.

So we need to teach it all my friend . We need to teach the bad stuff but we truly need to teach the noble stuff and weigh it all out. History is messy and it's ugly and at the same time beautiful. Thomas Jefferson is one of the greatest minds to walk this earth. We need to teach that too.

 

[chemmie]

I have no issue with telling the truth. Fact is in 1619 slavery was a thing before the "founding". Globally,not just in the new world slavery was the rage. It's not an American sin nor was a problem created by the early European colonists. So, let's talk about the truth. Truth is African tribes caught and sold people from other tribes into slavery. British , Dutch and Portuguese slave traders showed up and bought them. Yes that sucks but Africans were just as dirty in the slave trade as white Europeans.

The truth is also this. Men like Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, Washington, Henry , Mason and Hamilton all white had a better idea of governance and understood tyranny . They understood slavery was wrong and that all men are created equal with certain unalienable rights endowed by the creator ,not government. They saw a future where men were free to pursue their passion ,their interests and they knew they had the ability to come up with a Constitutional Republic. We are not a democracy as democracy fails through the tyranny of the majority. They broke the mold on monarchs and dictators and said nope we are going to do it better.

American Exceptionalism is not we are the greatest . it's we are the exception to the rule of governance when you look globally. We have protect speech and religious liberty like no one else . Even England to this day has speech codes and laws.

So if you want to teach 1619 go for it but you better have context and you better teach 1776 and delve into the original writings of Jefferson where he calls out slavery for what it is. Those evil white guys set the world on a new trajectory and ultimately while our nation had it's flaws and warts , show me utopia Shuck, America and our economy has done far more good for more people in this country and globally than any other natiion in the history of mankind . We are a generous people and we solve problems . Look at the pandemic . It came from China (accidentally or purposely) and it's the US pharmaceutical industry and government who is cranking out the vacines.

What is happening especially to young people is that we are failing to teach truth in context and we are virtue teaching with 21st Century values and thrusting them upon 17th century culture. If anything it should show how far we have come ,but nope the 1619 project intent is to sow discontent and frankly hate for America . I have no problem saying the global economy ran on slave trades ( there were white slaves too) and endentured servants . I have no problem saying those things or how poorly the US Government treated the native Americans. The other lesson in there is the American government never admits it's wrong . Our government breaks treaties ,treats people like garbage ,builds internment camps ( under Wilson and FDR both Democrats ) and such.. History tells me to keep government at arms length and not to be trusted.

So we need to teach it all my friend . We need to teach the bad stuff but we truly need to teach the noble stuff and weigh it all out. History is messy and it's ugly and at the same time beautiful. Thomas Jefferson is one of the greatest minds to walk this earth. We need to teach that too.

I think you need to learn some Critical Race Theory.

 

[DaShuckster]

What is happening especially to young people is that we are failing to teach truth in context and we are virtue teaching with 21st Century values and thrusting them upon 17th century culture.

Sooooooo...the American history I learned as a young person was truth in context and wasn't virtue teaching with 20th Century values?

If I had been a young boy of color, I'd have thought my country's history really didn't pertain to me. The American history I learned was all about White men with ancestors who immigrated from Europe.

If anything it should show how far we have come ,but nope the 1619 project intent is to sow discontent and frankly hate for America.

Wow. So when a group of journalists/historians attempted to flesh out the history of slavery in this country, that's a negative??!? Why the hell is telling the American history of slavery in the Americas such a bad thing? Would you feel the same way about telling the history on our native Americans during the founding and expansion of our country. I suspect women might have existed back in those days too. Should their stories be told?

Funny how this "sowing discontent and hate" business works depending on who IS -- or isn't -- history's focus.

 

[chemmie]

Sooooooo...the American history I learned as a young person was truth in context and wasn't virtue teaching with 20th Century values?

If I had been a young boy of color, I'd have thought my country's history really didn't pertain to me. The American history I learned was all about White men with ancestors who immigrated from Europe.

Wow. So when a group of journalists/historians attempted to flesh out the history of slavery in this country, that's a negative??!? Why the hell is telling the American history of slavery in the Americas such a bad thing? Would you feel the same way about telling the history on our native Americans during the founding and expansion of our country. I suspect women might have existed back in those days too. Should their stories be told?

Funny how this "sowing discontent and hate" business works depending on who IS -- or isn't -- history's focus.

We should just teach everyone that Hitler was a really nice guy, just misunderstood. Using today's morals to judge him is totally NOT COOL.

 

[Crazyhole]

Sooooooo...the American history I learned as a young person was truth in context and wasn't virtue teaching with 20th Century values?

If I had been a young boy of color, I'd have thought my country's history really didn't pertain to me. The American history I learned was all about White men with ancestors who immigrated from Europe.

Wow. So when a group of journalists/historians attempted to flesh out the history of slavery in this country, that's a negative??!? Why the hell is telling the American history of slavery in the Americas such a bad thing? Would you feel the same way about telling the history on our native Americans during the founding and expansion of our country. I suspect women might have existed back in those days too. Should their stories be told?

Funny how this "sowing discontent and hate" business works depending on who IS -- or isn't -- history's focus.

Did your history teach you about the US navy blockading slave ships from leaving Africa for 40 years?

 

[Nautiknight]

I think you need to learn some Critical Race Theory.

Critical race theory is largely taken from Karl Marx and his ideas where he seeks equity not equality. Equity is we all are the same level . Equality is we all are treated the same under the law regardless of rich or poor..Critical race theory premise is basically all white people are oprressors and all minorities are victims .

The idea is moronic to be straight up about it. Some white people are jerks and some black people are too. I don't believe in systemic racism or oppression. Last time I checked I haven't oppressed anyone in at least a few days or weeks. I am slacking in that department. I need to get moving and do me some white oppressing to live up and do my part in critical race theory and systemic racism. lol.

Substitute the word black and white in your ideas and if saying these things in the opposite makes your stomach turn then you know it's racist. I believe that mankind has a tribal streak in the species and sometimes it's racist and it's throughout all the races not limited to white people. I don't believe any one on this board is opressing anybody. I don't believe any of you are holding another human being back from their potential regardless of who you vote for. I have zero power in opressing anyone . I have no power over anyone for that matter.

However , teaching CRT in context and teaching history in context and to get people to think critically could be a good thing.. Having an honest and open debate with a free exchange of ideas is the way to go.

 

[Nautiknight]

We should just teach everyone that Hitler was a really nice guy, just misunderstood. Using today's morals to judge him is totally NOT COOL.

Hitler ,Stalin, Mau, Castro, who ever in the hell is in charge in Iran and North Korea, well all those people suck . My parents were alive when Hitler walked the earth and it's totally appropriate to judge his deeds because the man walked in the 20th Century . It's totally different looking at the Nazis and Communism in the 20th Century versus saying America in the 21 st century sucks because in 1619 we had slaves and the global economy was slaved based therefore our founding is immoral . Our founding is mixed .

Killing 120 million souls on this planet in the 20th Century at the hands of socialist and communist athiests is immoral. Slavery is immoral and it's going on today. Guess who else did some unconstitutional and immoral things? FDR rounded up Japanese Americans ,Americans born here , simply because they were Japanese decent and put them in Concentration camps and did it without a lick of due process . He didn't round up some Japanese Americans, he rounded all of them up. Imagine if Bush or Obama rounded people up because they were Muslims , or white dudes living in trailer parks with rebel flags?

So, stop with the Hitler stuff. He was evil. Stalin evil. Mau evil. Castro evil .

 

[Nautiknight]

Sooooooo...the American history I learned as a young person was truth in context and wasn't virtue teaching with 20th Century values?

If I had been a young boy of color, I'd have thought my country's history really didn't pertain to me. The American history I learned was all about White men with ancestors who immigrated from Europe.

Wow. So when a group of journalists/historians attempted to flesh out the history of slavery in this country, that's a negative??!? Why the hell is telling the American history of slavery in the Americas such a bad thing? Would you feel the same way about telling the history on our native Americans during the founding and expansion of our country. I suspect women might have existed back in those days too. Should their stories be told?

Funny how this "sowing discontent and hate" business works depending on who IS -- or isn't -- history's focus.

Shuck, I learned in history in 8th and 11th grade in Seminole County schools in the 80s slavery was not good. Human bondage is not good ,ever.

I took American history at UCF for semesters as my history elective and we had many good discussions on the dichotomy that existed as our nation was being founded. We openly talked on one hand you had noble ideas that Jefferson and Madison espoused in contrast to how the native people were treated or how slavery existed or how women had no rights.

However, in those lectures and debates at no time did we think this nation sucked or was bad . There are bad people and the institution of slavery was an abomination. With that said you have to start somewhere to end it. you have to upset the system to end it. So ,I think the handful of wealthy white dudes to rise up ,take on the largest military in the world at the time and do so in the name of liberty was a good start. You had to start somewhere and though flawed and imperfect those men had good and noble ideas.

I have a question for you and Chemmie. If America sucks so bad and we are a racist nation filled with white supremacists and hate , then why in 2021 are people still wanting to walk thousands of miles across difficult terrain to get here? why is there a line of legal applicants wanting to come to America? Why would they leave their homes and families to come to a nation filled with nothing but hate for anyone not white? This is the narrative from social media and here is that our country is terrible especially to minorities .

 

[DaShuckster]

Critical race theory premise is basically all white people are oprressors and all minorities are victims .

If that's what you think CRT is, it's no wonder why you're freaking about it. FYI, you're wrong.

However , teaching CRT in context and teaching history in context and to get people to think critically could be a good thing.

I've never understood how 'whitewashing' American was a good thing or why presenting our history from different perspectives is inherently bad. From my perspective, seeing the unvarnished reality of our past might actually help our leaders successfully guide a path for our country because we are as flawed -- yet capable of nobility and greatness -- as those who came before us.

 

[Crazyhole]

If that's what you think CRT is, it's no wonder why you're freaking about it. FYI, you're wrong.

I've never understood how 'whitewashing' American was a good thing or why presenting our history from different perspectives is inherently bad. From my perspective, seeing the unvarnished reality of our past might actually help our leaders successfully guide a path for our country because we are as flawed -- yet capable of nobility and greatness -- as those who came before us.

I dont understand why you think it's been whitewashed.

Did you learn in school that the US had slavery? Did they teach you that it's bad?