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Written by Heather Cox Richardson.

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January 14, 2020 (Tuesday)

One of the reasons I refuse to make predictions about the future of the Trump administration, or even of the impeachment process, is that things are changing every. single. minute.

Tonight, just on the cusp of the House articles of impeachment going over to the Senate, the House Intelligence Committee, the Committee on Oversight and Reform, and the Committee on Foreign Affairs transmitted to the House Judiciary Committee some of the material it has garnered from indicted political operative Lev Parnas’s phones. While there were two files—one is secret because it involves sensitive personal information—the other has provided material that is a game changer in three ways.

First of all, much of it is damning in its own right. Second, it will force Trump either to admit he was part of the Ukraine scheme all along or to call his friend (and sometime lawyer) Rudy Giuliani a liar. Third, it will add fuel to the fire that is making Trump so terribly angry and erratic these days, which will likely mean his behavior will only get worse. But with this new material in front of them, along with more that we have not seen, it is unlikely Republican leaders will be willing to continue to defend him except in the most general of ways.

The documents begin with a series of notes apparently written by Parnas on the stationery of the Ritz-Carleton in Vienna. They literally start with him writing: “get Zalensky to Announce that the Biden case will Be Investigated.” They note that Dimitry Firtash, the Ukrainian oligarch we now know was funding the whole Ukrainian escapade, and who is living in Vienna, was “*Toxic,*” and noted “*Rudy.*” Indeed, skeptic that I am, these notes seem almost too perfect, and I would worry they were constructed after the fact for his defense except that these devices were confiscated upon Parnas's arrest.

There is also a May 10, 2019 letter from Rudy Giuliani, representing himself as Trump’s personal lawyer, to the newly elected Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky, asking Zelensky for a meeting. “In my capacity as personal counsel to President Trump and with his knowledge and consent,” he asked for a meeting to discuss a particular matter. This runs counter to Trump’s frequent insistence that whatever he did in Ukraine was for the American people: here Giuliani lays out that whatever is happening is for Trump himself. Also, remember that on November 26, Trump denied that he had directed Giuliani to ask Zelensky about the Bidens. But now it seems there is evidence Giuliani was acting with Trump’s “knowledge and consent.” Trump will have to distance himself from this… but can he? It seems likely Giuliani has dirt on Trump from the days when Giuliani was the US Attorney for the Southern District of New York from 1983-1989, the heyday of Trump’s rise in New York real estate, as Giuliani has previously hinted.

There are also texts from Giuliani to Parnas, saying that he can overrule the decision of the Ukraine embassy, then under the direction of Marie Yovanovitch, not to give Viktor Shokin, the corrupt former Prosecutor General of Ukraine, a visa. He texted: “It’s going to work I have no 1 in it”

There is sharing of stories from Laura Ingraham, Sean Hannity, and Don Bongino about attacks on US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovich.

And, following these texts, in an exchange that has had Twitter on fire since the documents dropped, Connecticut congressional hopeful Robert F. Hyde and an unknown (to us) correspondent, although it seems likely to be Lev Parnas, appear to show that Hyde had Ambassador Yovanovitch under surveillance, and that he explored having her attacked or assassinated. It is worth, in this context, remembering that Trump told Zelensky that Yovanovitch was “going to go through some things,” suggesting that he knew about this plot.

“**** that bitch,” Hyde wrote on March 22, 2019. (Yovanovitch was highly regarded, and one of our very top diplomats.)

The next day he texted: “Wow. Can’t believe Trumo [sic] hasn’t fired this bitch. I’ll get right in that”

Then: “She under heavy protection outside Kiev”

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: “I know crazy shit”

Hyde: “My guy thinks maybe FSB..?” [FSB is Russian security]

More exchanges of news stories about removing Yovanovitch.

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “What should I do with this?

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They are moving her tomorrow

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “The guys over they asked me what I would like to do and what is in it for them”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “Wake up Yankees man”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “She’s talked to three people. Her phone is off. Computer is off.”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “She’s next to the embassy”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “Not in the embassy”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “Private security. Been there since Thursday”

Likely Parnas: March 25, 2019 “Interesting”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They know she’s a political puppet”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They will let me know when she’s on the move”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “And they’ll let me know when she’s on the move”

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: March 25, 2019: “Perfect”

Hyde: March 25, 2019, “I mean where if they can find out.”

Hyde: March 25, 2019: “That address I sent you checks out”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “It’s next to the embassy”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “They are willing to help if we/you would like a price”

Hyde, March 25, 2019: “Guess you can do anything in the Ukraine with money… what I was told”

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: “Lol”

Hyde: March 26, 2019: “Update she will not be moved special security unit upgraded force on the compound people are already aware of the situation my contacts are asking what is the next step because they cannot keep going to check people will start to ask questions”

Hyde: March 26, 2019: “If you want her out they need to make contact with security forces”

Hyde: March 26, 2019: “From Ukrainians”

Hyde: March 27, 2019: “What’s the word bro”

Hyde: March 27, 2019: “Any good stuff?

Unidentified [probably Lev Parnas]: March 27, 2019: “Call you soon in studio.”

… those texts go on, but that’s the gist.

You will remember that Yovanovitch was recalled from Ukraine abruptly out of concerns for her safety. Hyde, who is running for Congress from Connecticut, tweeted a picture of Yovanovitch while she was testifying before the House. It falsely accused her of a number of crimes and said: “Maria is a yuge pos. She has so much dirt on the Clinton’s and Bidens. Such a scumbag. #draintheswamp #mariaisatraitor #trump2020 #hyde2020.” When reached for comment after this story broke, Hyde wrote: “Bull Schiff is a giant b*tch.”

A couple of other points before I fall back into bed to try to break this bug. In the letter transmitting the material, Chair of the House Intelligence Committee Adam Schiff wrote “Despite unprecedented obstruction by the President, the Committee continues to receive and review potentially relevant evidence and will make supplemental transmittals… as appropriate.”

Now, if you were someone trying desperately to protect the president, wouldn’t this give you pause? You have no idea what’s out there. Surely, the news that there are text messages contemplating an attack on an American ambassador will make you wonder what else these bozos felt it was okay to put in writing. Do you really want to be on record for these people?

When this story broke, a friend texted me to ask if Trump was really the Godfather. I answered no. The leaders of the Italian mafia at the turn of the last century had to be incredibly smart because the system was stacked against them. They had to be able to evade laws, and police forces, and community standards, or be arrested. Today’s criminals have the benefit of a generation of laws rigged in their favor, so they did not have to be clever. All they had to be was corrupt.

And, hoo, boy… were they corrupt.

(Another unedited night. I cannot seem to break this bug. Thanks for your patience.)
 
So is there any communication from the President directly to Parnas on the phone?

excuse me if I don’t wait for tour answer.

Do you really believe that Trump wanted a sitting ambassador killed? Why, that would just make him look as bad as Obama.
 
So is there any communication from the President directly to Parnas on the phone?

excuse me if I don’t wait for tour answer.

Do you really believe that Trump wanted a sitting ambassador killed? Why, that would just make him look as bad as Obama.
 
I think getting a document that actually calls for the “Code Red” is highly unlikely. While I think Trump is not the brightest president we’ve had he’s at least that knowledgeable.

I think the evidence continues to mount and like it or not he is surrounded by bad actors. History will show that many just stuck their heads in the sand because they were more concerned about “their” team losing than maintaining the rule of law. We see this with our sports team all the time but this is not a game.
I get that people don’t want to believe what’s staring them in the face because it contradicts everything that has been argued.
However, as a intelligent person, at some point one has to stop coming up with excuses and acknowledge the problem. I truly believe our future as we know it depends on how we objectively view and deal with the circumstances at hand.
people can argue semantics but to not appreciate that there is a problem here shirks responsibility and credibility.
 
The texts between Hyde and Lev Parnas absolutely sound like they were planning on kidnapping or assassinating Ambassador Yovanovitch.
 
So is there any communication from the President directly to Parnas on the phone?

excuse me if I don’t wait for tour answer.

Do you really believe that Trump wanted a sitting ambassador killed? Why, that would just make him look as bad as Obama.

I don't think it shows Trump wanted an Ambassador killed. But like it or not, Rudy is acting as Trump's personal agent here, and the people's he's got involved on the project are having these conversations. In a normal world, POTUS would be distancing himself from Rudy and admitting an error in judgement by employing him.

Do you blame the head coach for a rogue player getting in trouble? No. Do you hold the head coach accountable if he fosters a culture where his assistants keep doing stupid things and he refuses to hold them accountable? Absolutely.
 
I don't think it shows Trump wanted an Ambassador killed. But like it or not, Rudy is acting as Trump's personal agent here, and the people's he's got involved on the project are having these conversations. In a normal world, POTUS would be distancing himself from Rudy and admitting an error in judgement by employing him.

Do you blame the head coach for a rogue player getting in trouble? No. Do you hold the head coach accountable if he fosters a culture where his assistants keep doing stupid things and he refuses to hold them accountable? Absolutely.

Yep, impossible to say at this point how much Trump was involved or knew, but he has obviously surrounded himself with people who are essentially mobsters.
 
Yep, impossible to say at this point how much Trump was involved or knew, but he has obviously surrounded himself with people who are essentially mobsters.
Yea - and like really bad mobsters too. Like rejects the actual mob would never employ because they leave paper trails and announce their crimes on twitter.
 
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Yea - and like really bad mobsters too. Like rejects the actual mob would never employ because they leave paper trails and announce their crimes on twitter.

The notes written on hotel stationary seem almost too convenient. Is this guy so reckless that he saved them for 6 months even with an investigation going on? No wonder he got arrested.
 
The notes written on hotel stationary seem almost too convenient. Is this guy so reckless that he saved them for 6 months even with an investigation going on? No wonder he got arrested.
From his perspective, he's a loyal soldier working directly at the direction/approval of Trump. He probably viewed his work more like a CIA operative doing the dirty work of an administration. I doubt he saw any danger or risk in what he was doing. When Trump publicly scorned him, he realized he was just a pawn with zero protection.

To be honest, I think this is a great summary of Trump's fundamental problem with Bureaucracy. He totally loves this game of leveraging his power to crush his enemies, and he's incredibly frustrated that official channels won't do this kind of stuff for him. It's why he cycles through sooo many top level aids and appointees. It's really hard to find highly competent people who will carry that kind of water. And if you install a stooge at the top, there's layer after layer of Bureaucracy underneath that's not going to do it.

To some, this is the Deep State subverting Trump. To me, it actually demonstrates the inherent check on executive power that a complex bureaucracy creates.
 
The notes written on hotel stationary seem almost too convenient. Is this guy so reckless that he saved them for 6 months even with an investigation going on? No wonder he got arrested.
What was Parnas charged with again? I can't remember.
 
The notes written on hotel stationary seem almost too convenient. Is this guy so reckless that he saved them for 6 months even with an investigation going on? No wonder he got arrested.

I am pretty sure he saved them intentionally so he had useful information if he ever did get arrested. He has made it more than clear he is willing to talk.
 
That can be said for any president over the history of this country.

Cool then, no big deal that a US ambassador looks to have had a hit put on her by the presidents personal attorney and his associates, thanks for clarifying that.
 
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Cool then, no big deal that a US ambassador looks to have had a hit put on her by the presidents personal attorney and his associates, thanks for clarifying that.
I’ll say it again, no way this is the story. A murdered ambassador puts Trump in the same category as Obama he he would never want that. Excuse me for calling bullshit on that.
 
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This is why Pelosi should hold the article of impeachment. Let's see what else happens.
 
I don’t believe that the US, Rudy or anyone else associated with this administration had any idea of a plot to kill an ambassador.

Ok. I do think its funny that you don't find it credible not because it is a horrible thing to do, not because it is an illegal thing to do, but because he doesn't want to be compared to Obama.
 
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Ok. I do think its funny that you don't find it credible not because it is a horrible thing to do, not because it is an illegal thing to do, but because he doesn't want to be compared to Obama.
Trump can pull any ambassador anytime he wants, why would anyone think killing someone is a better option?
 
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Lol, giving too much money to the clinton presidential campaign.
Are you thinking of Nader? I don't remember Parnas being wrapped up with Clinton. His indictment was wrapped up with more recent (2018-present) campaign finance charges funneling foreign money into GOP pockets. That's why Kevin McCarthy (and others I think) had to cleanse themselves of donations funneled through Parnas/Fruman...
 
I don’t believe that the US, Rudy or anyone else associated with this administration had any idea of a plot to kill an ambassador.
I agree. But it's a window into the mindset of the kinds of individuals who Rudy was involving with this operation. The Hyde dude seems like he's off his rocker and Parnas seemed to be trying to ignore his suggestions. Regardless, there's text messages on the record suggesting she was being followed and watched with innuendos that are pretty bad. Combined with the ambassador's own testimony that she needed to leave Kyiv immediately and was in some sort of danger, and I think we'd all agree there needs to be an investigation by State and DOJ.
 
Are you thinking of Nader? I don't remember Parnas being wrapped up with Clinton. His indictment was wrapped up with more recent (2018-present) campaign finance charges funneling foreign money into GOP pockets. That's why Kevin McCarthy (and others I think) had to cleanse themselves of donations funneled through Parnas/Fruman...

Dont quote me on this, but I recall parnas being brought up in the nader investigation as another individual that had given too much money or was a bundler for one of her pacs. Ultimately I know he was indicted for giving too much money to several republican campaigns, not sure about the Clinton deal.
 
I agree. But it's a window into the mindset of the kinds of individuals who Rudy was involving with this operation. The Hyde dude seems like he's off his rocker and Parnas seemed to be trying to ignore his suggestions. Regardless, there's text messages on the record suggesting she was being followed and watched with innuendos that are pretty bad. Combined with the ambassador's own testimony that she needed to leave Kyiv immediately and was in some sort of danger, and I think we'd all agree there needs to be an investigation by State and DOJ.

I'd like to know why Hyde was involved and whether he was just trying to curry favor with that stuff. Interesting that Parnas didnt respond to him for 3 months. Maybe Parnas was afraid that Hyde was trying to entrap him. Maybe he thought the dude was just off his rocker. All I know is I wouldn't trust a single thing that either of them say.
 
I don't know, you'd to have to ask the people who were texting about doing it.
Say what you want about Giuliani, he is not dumb. The guy was THE prosecutor took down the mob. I doubt he is dumb enough to be any part of this. This sounds like more reaching by Schiff.
 
Say what you want about Giuliani, he is not dumb. The guy was THE prosecutor took down the mob. I doubt he is dumb enough to be any part of this. This sounds like more reaching by Schiff.

That was in the 80s, it is 2020.

How is it reaching by Schiff? We have seen the screen shots.
 
History is irrelevant unless it supports the narrative.

It has nothing to do with history, it has to do with the present. Things can change a lot in 30-40 years. To act like because someone did good work 30-40 years ago means they are only capable of doing good work currently, is just a silly notion.
 
That wasn't a transcript. And in this case, we have actual screenshots of the texts.
You assume it isn't a transcript. It may very well be everything that was said and there is no other context. These texts might not tell the entire story, just like the transcript may not have. Why jump to the conclusion that one is complete and the other isn't?

Hashtag confirmation bias.
 
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It has nothing to do with history, it has to do with the present. Things can change a lot in 30-40 years. To act like because someone did good work 30-40 years ago means they are only capable of doing good work currently, is just a silly notion.

But we are supposed to believe that because Trump has done super sketchy things in the past, he must still be doing super sketchy things?

Bernie said women fantasized about being raped by 3 men. Am I to assume he still stands by that? Biden said impeachment should never be on partisan lines and also called into question the assumption that he isn't corrupt. Still applicable? Obama was against gay marriage. Weird.

Either history is important or it's not. Its hard for me to pick and choose when history matters and when it doesn't, but if you can do that then more power to you.
 
But we are supposed to believe that because Trump has done super sketchy things in the past, he must still be doing super sketchy things?

Bernie said women fantasized about being raped by 3 men. Am I to assume he still stands by that? Biden said impeachment should never be on partisan lines and also called into question the assumption that he isn't corrupt. Still applicable? Obama was against gay marriage. Weird.

Either history is important or it's not. Its hard for me to pick and choose when history matters and when it doesn't, but if you can do that then more power to you.

Huh? None of this makes any sense and I don't think you understand what history is. History is essentially just the recording and documenting of events, it is neither good or bad, it is just documenting things that have happened. History says that OJ Simpson was a great football player, and someone who likely murdered his ex wife. History says that Bill Cosby was a great comic, and a serial rapist. So the idea that Rudy can only be defined by what he did in the 80s is just nonsense. I do believe history is important, but Rudy's history didn't stop in the 80s and that isnt the only relevant timeframe of his life at all. What Rudy was doing in 2019 and beyond has absolutely nothing to do with what he did in the 80s.
 
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You assume it isn't a transcript. It may very well be everything that was said and there is no other context. These texts might not tell the entire story, just like the transcript may not have. Why jump to the conclusion that one is complete and the other isn't?

Hashtag confirmation bias.

Transcripts don't have ellipsis so I know it wasn't a transcript.
 
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