Anti-gun activist and blowhard Alec Baldwin shoots and kills film director

[UCFBS]

It can be hard to keep up with the Baldwin clan in nepotism-strewn Hollywood but Adam is not related to them.

Some of his [non-]brothers aren't as big of hypocrites as Alec. Sure, there's plenty of fodder to throw at them. But, yeah ... it's ... well, just look at the defense of Baldwin by the progressives on this board.


Media coverage is filling in over the last 6-12 hours ...

Adam Baldwin Says Alec Baldwin Was Negligent In Rust On-Set Shooting

Adam Baldwin criticizes actor for tragedy.

screenrant.com

https://www.usnews.com/news/entertainment/articles/2021-10-26/potential-legal-woes-mount-after-rust-shooting-tragedy

Potential legal woes mount after 'Rust' shooting tragedy

Experts predict a tremendous legal fallout after Alec Baldwin pulled the trigger on a prop gun while filming “Rust” in New Mexico and unwittingly killed a cinematographer and injured a director

abcnews.go.com

More left-wing ...

‘No One Has Been Ruled Out’ of Facing Charges in Rust Shooting

Alec Baldwin has settled a wrongful-death lawsuit with Halyna Hutchins’s family — and filming is set to continue.

www.vulture.com

Ouch!

QUOTE: 'The Los Angeles Times reported that there had been existing concerns about gun safety protocols on the Rust set. Crew members told the Times that on October 16, Baldwin s stunt double accidentally fired two rounds from a gun after being told it had no ammunition. According to a crew member, there were no subsequent safety meetings or investigations. Two anonymous sources alleged to Consequence that Halls, the assistant director who brought Baldwin the gun, had a history of ignoring safety protocols on other projects. One said she had previously filed two formal safety complaints against Halls.'​

We could be looking at a wide-range of negligence and liability lawsuits, especially if Baldwin knew about the prior incident too!


More right-wing ...

Action Star Adam Baldwin Has Some Thoughts On Alec Baldwin's 'Negligence' and 'Recklessness'

townhall.com

 

[UCFBS]

Apologies to the Anti-gun Progressives here, @DaShuckster, @hemightbejeremy and @Cubs79 , but this isn't just the armorer ...

QUOTE: _'Industry-standard guidelines for use of guns on film sets from the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee specify that blank ammunition “can kill, and that all guns on set are to be treated “as though they are loaded.” Guns are usually used at a distance and not fired in the direction of anyone else.'_

This means Baldwin too

 

[UCFBS]

I gotta admit... it's in very poor taste, but...

Every anti-gunner that displays total lack of basic, not 'expert,' gun safety resulting in harm or death of others should be held to the same standard as everyone else would.

 

[Crazyhole]

I gotta admit... it's in very poor taste, but...

Every anti-gunner that displays total lack of basic, not 'expert,' gun safety resulting in harm or death of others should be held to the same standard as everyone else would.

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That's horrible.

 

[DaShuckster]

I heard this morning that the production wasn't using prop guns as is normally the case, but instead vintage guns from the era of the film's story.

WTF? WHY?

 

[UCFKnight85]

I heard this morning that the production wasn't using prop guns as is normally the case, but instead vintage guns from the era of the film's story.

WTF? WHY?

A prop gun is a real gun, it's just called a "prop gun" since it's used in movies. They are real, functioning firearms that use blank rounds. The possession and usage of prop guns is supposed to be entirely controlled by the armorer and/or safety range officer at all times, but clearly that wasn't done here.

 

[UCFBS]

I heard this morning that the production wasn't using prop guns as is normally the case, but instead vintage guns from the era of the film's story.

WTF? WHY?

Geez, you really are ignorant of firearms, aren't you?

 

[DaShuckster]

A prop gun is a real gun, it's just called a "prop gun" since it's used in movies. They are real, functioning firearms that use blank rounds. The possession and usage of prop guns is supposed to be entirely controlled by the armorer and/or safety range officer at all times, but clearly that wasn't done here.

Whether the guns were 'fake' or real, why in the world would you have live ammunition anywhere around a movie set?

 

[Crazyhole]

Whether the guns were 'fake' or real, why in the world would you have live ammunition anywhere around a movie set?

Kinda sorta seems like "it was an accident" isn't a very good explanation.

Has anybody asked how much the movie was insured for?

 

[DaShuckster]

You will have security and others with live weapons but the prop guns shouldn't go back and forth with live ammunition.

Other than for the security people guarding the place, why would there EVER be a need for real ammo on the set, let alone actually loaded in one of the prop guns used for filming

'Industry-standard guidelines for use of guns on film sets from the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee specify that blank ammunition “can kill...”

If blank ammunition can kill, then what's the difference between a prop gun firing blanks and real ammo?

 

[sk8knight]

Other than for the security people guarding the place, why would there EVER be a need for real ammo on the set, let alone actually loaded in one of the prop guns used for filming


If blank ammunition can kill, then what's the difference between a prop gun firing blanks and real ammo?

The difference between you getting punched by a toddler and getting punched by Mike Tyson.

 

[UCFBS]

My #1 question has been ... why we it pointed directly at the cameraperson when the trigger was pulled? And yes, that's known, Baldwin pulled the trigger, more than once.

In general, there's little (if any) reason to ever point it at a real person, when the trigger is pulled. There are so many ways they can use camera angles, when the trigger is pulled.

There are so many articles pointing this out too, in industry standards and terms.

 

[DaShuckster]

The difference between you getting punched by a toddler and getting punched by Mike Tyson.

A toddler's punch can kill me?

 

[sk8knight]

My #1 question has been ... why we it pointed directly at the cameraperson when the trigger was pulled? And yes, that's known, Baldwin pulled the trigger, more than once.

In general, there's little (if any) reason to ever point it at a real person, when the trigger is pulled. There are so many ways they can use camera angles, when the trigger is pulled.

There are so many articles pointing this out too, in industry standards and terms.

A witness said he was practicing for the take and raised it and pulled the trigger before the others got behind the safety barrier.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

A prop gun is a real gun, it's just called a "prop gun" since it's used in movies. They are real, functioning firearms that use blank rounds. The possession and usage of prop guns is supposed to be entirely controlled by the armorer and/or safety range officer at all times, but clearly that wasn't done here.

They don’t always use real guns in films. Generally they use real guns for period pieces where there isn’t a readily available non functioning replica or when they don’t have the money to add in the gunfire effects digitally. I think this incident will probably lead to more scrutiny of whether we ever truly need real guns on a movie set.

 

[UCFBS]

A witness said he was practicing for the take and raised it and pulled the trigger before the others got behind the safety barrier.

Oh man ... that's really bad for his defense!

 

[UCFBS]

They don’t always use real guns in films.

Replicas are used, but not often ... and not when blanks will be fired.

Generally they use real guns for period pieces where there isn’t a readily available non functioning replica

Explain to me how a 'non-functioning replica' work when blanks are going to be fired? In this case, you can explain it to me like a 8 year-old who has had a firearm safety basics course, because that's all it takes, knowledge-wise.

BTW, what is your level of firearm and physics understanding?

or when they don’t have the money to add in the gunfire effects digitally.

Why would I spent $50K on digital effects when I can use a $500 device? And forget guns, this is no different than anything else. We don't increase the cost 100x. At this point, I think you're just throwing things at the wall.

I think this incident will probably lead to more scrutiny of whether we ever truly need real guns on a movie set.

I think this incident will probably lead to more anti-gunners and the firearm ignorant from being able to handle any firearms, which is always the best move.

Mandating we have to do CGI is just stupid. This was a combination of a chain of custody and firearm ignorance problem, nothing more.

 

[UCFBS]

Nailed it, everything. Love Colion! Oh, BTW, for the anti-gunners here...

Spoiler

Colion IS a lawyer too!

And I said the same thing, all it would have taken is just 1 safety rule - of many - for it to have prevented death. Baldwin ignored them all.

He also addressed the 'ban guns on sets' argument, as well as Baldwin skimping on costs in hiring an inexperienced, 24 year old armorer.

 

[UCFBS]

Good video

Colion is really good at playing 'devil's advocate' in the case of gun safety, after all, he's a lawyer and has to account for all defenses against anything he says.

It's also amazing how he takes anti-gunners on a tour of their own hypocrisy and actually pro-violence, pro-crime stances, which usually causes others to stoop to insults.

At that point, he just laughs.

 

[UCFBS]

Even after the police tell Baldwin not to talk to the media...

Anti-gunners gonna deflect... (they 'rarely happen,' because people are normally responsible, unlike Baldwin and his cabal! )

QUOTE: _'Mr Baldwin said the incident was a "one in a trillion episode" and that accidents of this nature very rarely happen.'_​

And, of course, anti-gun... (because it's allegedly not his irresponsibility or fault, but the gun's... sigh)

QUOTE: _'the actor said he would be in favour of limiting the future use of firearms on film productions to protect people's safety.'_​

Oh so throw the book at him!

Alec Baldwin makes first public comments on 'one in a trillion' shooting

In his first public comments, the actor says the cinematographer he accidentally shot was his friend.

news.yahoo.com

 

[UCFBS]

Maybe these libs need to take a safety class if they will handle weapons. Make sure these libs don't murder more innocent victims

I wouldn't say 'murder,' because that's just demonizing. But yes ... 'negligent homicide.'

"Just say no to negligent, homicidal and deflecting anti-gunners"

 

[DaShuckster]

It was revealed today that an assistant cameraman resigned the day before the shooting and said his letter of resignation that it was because of the production's unsafe working conditions. "By far, the worst I've seen in my 10 years in the business" his resignation letter said.

Believe it or not, lawyers for the production company responded today to the letter by saying the man was employed for his expertise with cameras and wouldn't have any knowledge of the movie's safety procedures.

Given what happened the very next day, maybe somebody should have listened to him.

 

[UCFBS]

It was revealed today that an assistant cameraman resigned the day before the shooting and said his letter of resignation that it was because of the production's unsafe working conditions. "By far, the worst I've seen in my 10 years in the business" his resignation letter said.

Then there was the stunt double for Baldwin that had an issue the day before that too! Yes ... all the more reason Baldwin is liable and, very likely, negligent overall too! He was bankrolling and the man behind the production!

Believe it or not, lawyers for the production company responded today to the letter by saying the man was employed for his expertise with cameras and wouldn't have any knowledge of the movie's safety procedures.
Given what happened the very next day, maybe somebody should have listened to him.

And the stunt double for Baldwin before that too! Baldwin is really in trouble here, but ...

He's off saying it's a freak accident, and guns should be banned from sets. Anti-gunners gonna deflect and blame the gun ... sigh. Baldwin literally is irresponsible at all levels.

Definitely before the gun was in his hand.
And definitely after it was too!

 

[sk8knight]

Then there was the stunt double for Baldwin that had an issue the day before that too! Yes ... all the more reason Baldwin is liable and, very likely, negligent overall too! He was bankrolling and the man behind the production!


And the stunt double for Baldwin before that too! Baldwin is really in trouble here, but ...

He's off saying it's a freak accident, and guns should be banned from sets. Anti-gunners gonna deflect and blame the gun ... sigh. Baldwin literally is irresponsible at all levels.

Definitely before the gun was in his hand.
And definitely after it was too!

The best part is this (paraphrasing): “My attorney told me not to comment so come close and listen up.”

 

[UCFBS]

The best part is this (paraphrasing): “My attorney told me not to comment so come close and listen up.”

I'm seriously waiting for Hollywood to 'open up' on them. It's really bad.

Of course, there might be blacklisting if some did. But still ...

What is 'losing me' is why they were pointing the dang guns at the camera with people behind them!!! That is never supposed to be done!

If a 'down gun barrel' is to be done, its done with a remote camera.

If just 1 safety step, of 4 different parties/requirements -- A) industry requirements, B) armorer loading/verification, C) firearm custody/control or D) actor inspection/handling -- had been followed, just 1 ... it would have prevented this!

 

[UCFBS]

Geez, it's like rats leaving a sinking ship ... no one wants to be accountable.

Lawyer for 'Rust' assistant director accused of handing gun to Alec Baldwin said it wasn't his job to check if there were bullets in it

An attorney for "Rust" assistant director David Halls said he wasn't responsible for checking whether the gun was loaded.

news.yahoo.com

 

[DaShuckster]

There are A LOT of compelling reasons why this production will be found criminally negligent. As one of the movie's producers, Alec Baldwin, is guilty as sin.

Actor Alec Baldwin is not.

 

[UCFBS]

And now Baldwin has the magical solution...

Alec Baldwin Suggests Solution To Stop Gun Accidents On Movie Sets

Authorities are still investigating the accidental fatal shooting on the set of his film "Rust."

www.huffpost.com

 

[DaShuckster]

And now Baldwin has the magical solution...

Baldwin needs to STFU.

 

[UCFBS]

How about Baldwin take a gun safety course so he can check if a gun is loaded? 🤔

'Not his job.'

But we should put a cop on every Hollywood set, just like a cop in every home with a gun...

Oh, not enough cops to do that? Okay, then just limit guns to Hollywood and 'experts,' however Baldwin defines them.

Like his armorer.

 

[Crazyhole]

Ruh roh.

 

[UCFBS]

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Ruh roh.

I figured it was something like this, but didn't want to 'jump to conclusions.'

In any case, what would Baldwin want a cop to do on-set when he's going to violate so many basic gun safety, let alone Hollywood Industry, requirements any way ... arrest him faster?

 

[UCFBS]

Finally, another actor weighs in with all the 'deflection' of 'not my job/responsibility.'

QUOTE: _'... the Oscar winner called Hutchins’ death “infuriating,” given strict gun safety protocols put in place on film and TV sets following the deaths of his friends, actors Jon-Erik Hexum and Brandon Lee in 1984 and 1993, respectively. “Every single time I’m handed a gun on the set — every time — they hand me a gun, I look at it, I open it, I show it to the person I’m pointing it too, I show it to the crew,” Clooney said. “Every single take.” Clooney, who has worked as an actor and director on film and TV sets for 40 years, continued, “Part of it is because of what happened to Brandon. Everyone does it. Everyone knows that is the protocol to follow.”'_​

Alec Baldwin under new pressure: George Clooney says he should have checked gun, conservatives call for arrest

In an interview, Clooney raised new questions about Baldwin’s actions on the set of ‘Rust,’ both as an actor handling a gun and as one of the film’s producers.

www.mercurynews.com

 

[Crazyhole]

Clearly he's hiding something.

 

[UCFBS]

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Clearly he's hiding something.

As much as I pretty much despise Baldwin's politics, his utter lack of responsibility and many other things, I'm mixed on how I feel about this.

In general I have trouble with authorities wanting to look through cell phones. Police and investigators have a nasty habit of finding things utterly unrelated to any plausible charges, and 'going fishing' in the past.

Although I do find it funny that, after Kyle Rittenhouse initially refused to give authorities access to his cell phone, he relented and handed it over, unlocked. But unlike Rittenhouse, the alleged 'victims' he shot, or their families, refused to do the same.

 

[Crazyhole]

As much as I pretty much despise Baldwin's politics, his utter lack of responsibility and many other things, I'm mixed on how I feel about this.

In general I have trouble with authorities wanting to look through cell phones. Police and investigators have a nasty habit of finding things utterly unrelated to any plausible charges, and 'going fishing' in the past.

Although I do find it funny that, after Kyle Rittenhouse initially refused to give authorities access to his cell phone, he relented and handed it over, unlocked. But unlike Rittenhouse, the alleged 'victims' he shot, or their families, refused to do the same.

JMO but when it involves murder or child endangerment, the authorities should have far more flexibility in their ability to investigate.

 

[UCFBS]

JMO but when it involves murder or child endangerment, the authorities should have far more flexibility in their ability to investigate.

Well, I don't think this was murder. And, in general, I have a problem with a lot of 'justifications' when children are involved. Yes, I know, we true Libertarians are 'weak on crime,' even more than Progressives these days.

 

[Crazyhole]

Well, I don't think this was murder. And, in general, I have a problem with a lot of 'justifications' when children are involved. Yes, I know, we true Libertarians are 'weak on crime,' even more than Progressives these days.

These days? Libertarians have always been feckless do-nothings that love to talk about liberty and then cower in a corner when something needs to be addressed.

"We are going to protect your rights by doing nothing."

 

[UCFBS]

These days? Libertarians have always been feckless do-nothings that love to talk about liberty and then cower in a corner when something needs to be addressed.

You mean when you want Libertarians to agree with what Conservatives or Progressives want, and refuse to take either side.

Now if you mean the ACLU, they are no longer Libertarian. Their leadership started going Progressive over the past decade.

"We are going to protect your rights by doing nothing."

Libertarians hardly do nothing! We're the ones complaining about both parties destroying each of their halves of civil rights.

Libertarians may not have much Legislative or Executive power, but we certain still have enough in the Judicial system.

 

[Crazyhole]

You mean when you want Libertarians to agree with what Conservatives or Progressives want, and refuse to take either side.

Now if you mean the ACLU, they are no longer Libertarian. Their leadership started going Progressive over the past decade.


Libertarians hardly do nothing! We're the ones complaining about both parties destroying each of their halves of civil rights.

Yes. You complain. That, we can agree upon. Given the opportunity to do something, it's pretty much nothing.