Governors that have the authority to force lockdowns and mask wearing blame Trump for not doing the things they actually did, which didn't really do much in the grand scheme of things. Whitmer took the approach that she says Trump should have, but because he didn't, he's to blame for the deaths in Michigan? Last I checked he didn't stop her, so what exactly is his fault?
Are healthy people quarantining somewhere?
This is a deliberately ignorant question. Every state has curtailed people’s activities to some extent or another. No one is able to do everything they would normally do. Some states are very restrictive and it’s damaging. You imply that people are free to do whatever they want or need to do when you ask this question.
You guys act like we are the only people in the world going through this. We have WAY more freedoms than 95% of the developed world. Yet, still ye bitch.
Fine, if that's your play, then yes. Anyone who enters New Jersey from any one of 38 states and jurisdictions is subject to mandatory quarantine. Or enters any one of 18 other states.
You mean the voluntary self quarantine if you visit New Jersey from a state where Covid cases are rising? Is that what is being referenced? I thought you were talking about healthy people quarantined in their houses. You are talking about taking a voluntary action when traveling to a place from a place with poor case numbers because you may have the virus. But you are a smart person and already knew this of course.
WTF?
More Chud bullshit from Doctor KNIGHTTIME.
Nobody is saying healthy people need to quarantine unless they've come into contact with someone with Covid.
Listen carefully: If you are a carrier, You Stay The F*K Home.
I ask myself this very question every single time I see Trump on the campaign trail speaking to thousands of maskless idiots. One person was responsible for 38 people getting Covid -- with many of them hospitalized -- yet these morons seem oblivious to the notion that one single person (out of the thousands) that they come into contact over the course of the event could give them Covid.
I'm sorry, but what f*king health official is giving you this line of BS?
There are a lot of examples where that is exactly the case. Motorcycle accident, stroke, alcohol poisoning, stage 4 cancer, alzheimers, suicide. None of those deaths had anything to do with covid but it was listed on the death certificate.
I just wanted you to admit that it wasn’t as simple as the question that you asked after you decided to ask it again, which is basically what your answer did. Although, I seem to remember some kid being arrested in Hawaii for going surfing during his quarantine, so I’m not sure how voluntary all of the quarantines are.
I think there should be a way to compromise on this. Anybody who is at an elevated risk (people over 60) should be 100% quarantined until the pandemic is over. That means no visits and no leaving their homes. We can set up a system to deliver groceries to them and emergency medical care if necessary, but these are the people we need to protect for their own good. Yeah, it'll suck not being able to see family or friends for the next couple of years but WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC!
They are just complaining for the sake of complaining. No rational thought is being used in any of their responses. Zero. Nadda. Zilch.
You are conflating quarantine as a stipulation of travel with general “quarantine” and lockdown measures that were introduced in March and now have been essentially universally lifted. You are smarter than that.
Imagine thinking this is the best option. Rather than resume activities with basic common sense precautions like masks, a large groups of people should be forced to never leave their house so that younger and healthier people aren’t burdened with having to wear a mask or sit in a restaurant with reduced capacity. No wonder Trump is losing the older demographics.
I’m not really arguing anything on the point itself. I’m just saying that your oversimplified question didn’t help the conversation. Now you’re arguing against my own simplification so apparently I’ve got you right where I want you.
So any examples where healthy people are forced to quarantine yet? Aside from the apparent forced vacation to Hawaii example.
I answered your question; don’t move the goalposts because you didn’t get an answer you wanted. Ask a better question.
That sounds great and all, but since masks aren't 100% effective we need to protect the most vulnerable in every way possible. That means completely isolating them from people that could potentially be infected. I dont want your grandma to die, I just think keeping her alone for 2 years is a small price to pay for her future.
You just had contempt for the question. I don’t think forced quarantine or lockdowns as I interpreted them should be implemented. But apparently this is a topic of discussion. So I was interested to hear where people are being forced to lockdown or quarantine. You cited a voluntary quarantine as a stipulation of travel to NJ. Fine. I think that is a fine thing to have in place. So I guess my opinion has changed from against to for some quarantines. When it comes to forced lockdowns I envisioned stuff like Wuhan did, you know, like what a lockdown is understood to be in the traditional sense of a prison lockdown or school lockdown for active shooter where people literally cannot leave. Living in Florida where literally everything is open, I have little frame of reference. I looked up Michigan which I have heard horror stories about and even plots to kidnap the governor based on draconian lockdowns. Turns out it is more like safety measures. Masks at indoor businesses, restaurants and bars having 6 feet distance between parties, limiting large gatherings, etc. More common sense safety guidelines than what I understand a lockdown to be. I get it. Lockdown sounds a lot worse than safety guidelines or something else. It plays better on a headline. But come on, we all know there are no ongoing lockdowns or forced quarantines in the country. If you have an example feel free to share it. But I think you understand the point. Don’t scream “muh lockdowns” over a mask or social distancing requirement if you don’t want to be called out for acting like a fool.
It’s not just a mask and a 6-foot rules. It’s closing down entire industries that amount to 20% of the jobs in this country. It’s studies that we have from the last recession that showed a death toll from a significant economic slowdown that exceeds that of COVID and yet we went ahead and shut down the economy anyways. Rather than opening, they are doubling down in California. It’s that the Democrat candidate for President has vowed to shut it all down to combat COVID. It’s Gretchen Whitmer in Michigan putting those citizens into a virtual quarantine and then blaming Trump for any criticism she gets on either side of the issue. It’s people on message boards calling you granny-killer if you express any skepticism to the lockdown orders after the first few weeks.
I dont think its fair to attribute any decisions that governors have made to "getting Trump" or "protecting Trump".
