are Blacks right about gay people?
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Black people have a much more visceral nature than white people, who seem to be more calculating. I think that's why their joy is at a much higher level than white people and their aggression is also at a much higher level. Their perception of things in real time is superior to that of white people, but it could be a little bit too reactionary on issues like homosexuality.
Interesting topic for discussion.
Interesting topic for discussion.
No, they aren’t right. Just like most religious teachings aren’t right. Nearly 4 in 5 African Americans are Protestants. Protestants have lagged many other religions in their acceptance of LGBT. A lot of this has to do with slavery and the majority of African Americans in the US residing in the Bible Belt where Protestant religions, or more specifically Southern Baptists, are prevalent. Meanwhile other Christian branches such as Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Episcopalian have recently taken a more liberal and accepting stance. So many people driven to bigotry because of a book about a magic sky man.
Slavery? You seriously are going to blame this on slavery and not the free thought of black people? It's almost like you are saying that black people are too dumb to accept homosexuals because white people trained them that way.
Your reading comprehension is not my problem. Slavery is the reason most African Americans still reside in the deep south, a.k.a the Bible Belt. Now try again.
I dont really need to. You invoked slavery as a reason why black people don't approve of homosexuality. Then you doubled down on it with this post ^^^ claiming that it's only because they live in the deep south (aka the bigot zone).
You are faulting them for their natural instincts. I tend to agree with them. Maybe you're just a little bit more racist than you realized.
You are trying too hard or you are an idiot. Slavery is the reason most African Americans reside in the Bible Belt. Religions prevalent in this region are less liberal with regards to homosexuality. Slavery isn’t the direct reason black people don’t approve of homosexuality. It is the reason they reside in areas where the most popular religions don’t approve. Hope it’s clear to you now, but not holding my breath.
interesting take.
so whats the explanation that homosexuality is outlawed in 34 African countries, and even punishable by death in some? As recent as 2017, countries like Chad have criminalized sodomy.
here are some quotes from African leaders you can find in the above source:
if anything, it would appear the influence of Christianity has softened the views they've developed when left to their own devices.
Africa is highly religious. statistically the most religious continent in the world, and the countries with the highest concentration of irreligion happen to be the ones with higher populations of white people.
there are no white, Christian nations where homosexuality is punishable by death or where the public execution of them is normalized.
Here's where we change the definition of white to include Arab and Persian people.
I’ll boil it down for you chuds. Bigotry toward homosexuals has less to do with the pigment of your skin and more to do with a belief in a magic sky man. Or more specifically a belief that tales in books about magic sky men are true. Books that say homosexuality is bad.
Oh. So you're anti-christian. Fair enough.
So , you do know that in the 20th Century in countries where they banned believing in magic sky men wiped out about 125 million of their own people to cleanse their societies and to rid the state of problems. More people died at the hands of their non sky men believing leaders than in wars with sky men believing nations.
If you ask me believing in sky men often tempers the leaders and nations to not kill their own citizens , lock them in goulags and concentration camps and so forth.
Now the libertarian in me says more power to you to not believe in the skyman . Live and let live I say. It's weird but survey after survey do suggest African American people are religious and in that respect are conservative in their views but they vote in so many ways against their own principles. It's an enigma if you will maybe a bit of paradox too. As a group African Americans are very much about family and faith. Yet the party they align with is hostile to Christianity in particular and I might suggest their policies are also somewhat destructive to the family as well.
The one thing that is a head scratcher for me is the lGBTQ community often stands up for the Muslim community in the US and in the Israel Palestine issues. yet, in many Arab nations and as pointed out here , Muslim African nations outlaw homosexuality and punish it with death. Yet in America and Israel if you're gay in 2021 people are like yah ,what ever. The churches may not offer weddings to gay and lesbian folks but they are not advocating stoning or throwing gay people off of roofs. it puzzles me why the LGBTQ community doesn't see the Muslim faith differently but for what ever reason they align themselves with a religion and group of people who have no problem not only saying they can't get married but they would find killing them for being gay acceptable.
I would suggest some sky men are worse than others when it comes to gay people.
Nobody said the color of their skin caused it. We are presenting evidence that their common history and culture, which can be explained in an essay or referred to as simply as "black" or "african american", does.
Your evidence was first something about Southern Christians, and now you've pivoted to "religion in general" when you realized it was a weak argument.
Well Asians are the most irreligious of any people, and they've outlawed homosexuality in 20 countries. In China, where 73% don't identify with any of the major religions, same-sex marriage is illegal, gay couples cannot adopt, and anti-discrimination laws are non-existent. Same with Japan, both Koreas, Mongolia. hell, let me make you a list of the countries that aren't like that:
Israel (74% Jewish)
India (80% Hindu)
So now we have black Christians and black Muslims being disproportionately bigoted towards gays, and here's black Jews doing the exact same
clearly this issue transcends religion.
A third of black people say that AIDS is gods punishment but it has nothing to do with religion? You on drugs right now? Of course it has to do with religion.
I agree religion has something to do with it ,but in those nonreligious places they are also intolerant. Also, again, atheist communist nations have killed over 125 million of their own people for all sorts of reasons. China, Russia, Cuba, North Korea , Cambodia and on and on. Religion may be bad in terns of how gay people are treated globally but atheism has been far worse towards humanity especially in the 20th Century. Turns out people are people and some are worse than others.
People don’t come out of the womb bigots. They are taught it. Either through religious texts or some other way. But it doesn’t help when religious texts teach it. It’s a fools errand to try to argue that religion doesn’t plant these seeds. It’s almost comical to watch someone post that the same people who think AIDS is a form of punishment from god for homosexuals aren’t influenced by religion.
For millennia, religion was the manual by which illiterate and undeveloped cultures maintained their moral and hygienic practices. In many under-developed cultures today, their religion is more closely tied to the practices that were important when civilization was small and fragile. In a civilization where you needed as many babies as possible because death rates for children exceeded 50%, it may make sense to discourage homosexuality. This isn’t something handed down by your skyman but rather something defined by elders distributed through religion. In the tribes that are still primitive, and those just a few generations removed, it’s understandable that they may hold these views. Who are we to judge them?
Bingo. I’m glad we agree. There is no sky man handing down guidelines for morality. It is handed down by religious leadership and people are inclined to agree out of fear of eternal damnation.
That doesn’t make it wrong for them, though. We are judging cultures based upon our prism and that is a dubious thing.
Wrong, no matter what religious affiliation they have, their bigotry remains the same. Can't say the same for whites, hispanics, or asians.
Further, you're being a little lazy by wanting to just draw a line from religion to bigotry. Imagine we're talking about white people for a second, and feel free to use the classic "implicit bias" type buzzwords.
This is a culture issue.
Source?
There is much less implicit bias toward homosexuality since homosexuality cannot be automatically be perceived by our senses like race can.
Race is a social construct. How did you not know that?
Implicit bias relates to biases and stereotypes toward individuals that are different than yourself. You can observe someone being a different race. For the most part you don’t observe someone having a different sexual preference. Also you are a moron.
Lol. So CRT is bunk right out of the gate? Damn. I was just getting used to it.
^^^ Truth, although it's not because of the book, but because of the interpretation.
It's more about bacteria and spread, which is why it's not just 'homosexual acts' are listed as 'sin' for people some 2,500+ years ago. 2,000+ years before the printing press, when people didn't have accessible libraries, and had maybe only 1 book physically transcribed, at most, it was a guide to 'clean living.'
That's why the Original Judeo-Christian Testament -- ironically and indirectly enough -- is proof of a higher intelligence than humans were capable of. Same with Genesis explaining, essentially, time-space. So anyone stupid enough to take things 'literally' -- let alone 'selectively' -- instead of reading in the context of the knowledge of mankind at the time ...
... deserves to look ignorant.
Same with reading Shakespeare while being ignorant of both life and English 500 years ago.
Same with reading the Bill of Rights while being ignorant of the meaning of 'well regulated' ('self regulated, peer enforced') 250 years ago when it comes to both the Press (1st) and Militias (2nd).
If you want to read things today, outside the context, history and mannerisms, then you will utterly be screwed up in interpretation. Me? The Original Judeo-Christian Testament is one of the most beautiful, intelligent books of all-time, for its time.
In the same regard, I'm not stupid enough to say the Earth is only several thousand years old because some Cardinal with a Degree in Divinity in the 7th century decided it was because he added up the ages and lifespans of the people in the Bible.
The problems people had back then, in context, aren't that much different than today. Same goes for Shakespeare. Same goes for the US Bill of Rights.
Then you are way too conservative for the democrat party. Ignorance+apathy+arrogance. Not what I would expect out of an enlightened leftist.
No. It’s wrong. There may appear to be justification for it, but it’s still wrong.
everything i've posted so far has been sourced very well, your reading comprehension is not my problem.
furthermore, it is not difficult to sense if someone is homosexual unless you've lived under a rock your entire life and have zero concept of social cues. regardless, implicit bias was an example of the many sociology theories used to justify the sweeping generalizations made towards white people.
but you've spun the overwhelming evidence of blacks having a cultural distaste for gays into "they don't know any better, its white peoples fault for making them religious". Frankly, that's an incredibly racist thought in itself to suggest they're too dumb to separate an idea of themselves from a collective whole.
Heterosexuals have a biologically similar appearance to homosexuals. I guess someone never heard of “the closet” from which homosexuals frequently emerge. I guess there are no homosexuals in countries that ban it (enforceable by death). Or in the military. Or in the NFL. How lucky. What “social clue” do you sense to know for a fact someone’s sexual preferences?
You said (with regards to black people) no matter their religious affiliation their view toward homosexuality is the same. I asked for your source on that. I never blamed it on white people. Or even Christianity. Just the construct of religion.
He has 'omnipotent gadar' ... don't question it.
In all seriousness, your assertion is well in-line with facts.
African-American communities are more religious, buy more American and do many other things, that are significant and part of culture, that factor into things.
I really hate it when right-wingers start the non-sense.
Sure, and if you have no people sense at all, a meth addict looks biologically the same as an endurance runner. Studies have shown that manner of dress, speech, physical mannerisms and even facial features in homosexuals aren't difficult to spot.
i provided nearly a dozen sources for you earlier. a general "blacks don't like gays" wasn't good enough, now you're in denial because its an uncomfortable truth that blacks culturally are not as accepting of sexual deviancy. religion is part of their culture, mystery solved.
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