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Aresco is Foolish, Letting Pride Cloud His Vision

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The Group of 5 needs to embrace this playoff idea. It is a great way to close the financial gap with the Power 5. The AD from Northern Illinois is a realist and sees the writing on the wall. Unfortunately pride and misguided hope will only put the AAC further behind the Power 5 by waiting around for something else to happen.


Group of Five football playoff idea is not going away despite myriad obstacles
Some truly believe in a Group of Five playoff, while others (including possibly TV) have no interest

Sean Frazier has doubled down on his Group of Five playoff goal.

The Northern Illinois Huskies athletic director told CBS Sports the concept he first floated in an ESPN interview may be worth at least $160 million per year to a TV rights-holder.

That would come close to doubling the revenue the 60 Group of Five schools currently get from the College Football Playoff. Frazier says that amount would at least improve the financial stability needed by those so-called mid-major schools playing at the highest level of college football.

"All I'm saying is the directional schools like us, it's just a matter of time," said Frazier, a former Alabama Crimson Tide walk-on. "I'm not Nostradamus, but shoot, I'm looking at the trends. ... My donor base is [maxed] out. ... If I don't find new ways to monetize ... one major [solution] is this potential playoff."

"I've been an AD is the Division I, Division II and Division III levels," he later told CBS Sports. "Until somebody comes out and tells me why, emphatically, this is a bad idea, it just tells me we should probably have a conversation."

Frazier says the worth of a Group of Five playoff hasn't been formally priced. That wouldn't happen until an inventory of games was assembled to present to a rights-holder.

However, the $160 million figure came out of discussions with "mentors" and industry analysts, Frazier said. It isn't believed a major network has weighed in.

"We never got any type of quotes because nobody is going to go on record if they don't know the inventory," said Frazier, who played from 1987-1991 for Bill Curry and Gene Stallings at Alabama.


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"It would be say it's safe to say it's more than ... the current G5 schools are getting. Who's going to jump on it first?"

The 60 Group of Five schools include members of the Mid-American, Mountain West, American, Sun Belt and Conference USA. They currently receive $90 million annually from the College Football Playoff.

The current regular-season rights deals for those conferences are worth a combined $46 million.

Not included in that CFP total is $6 million for the highest-ranked Group of Five champion that is guaranteed a spot in a New Year's Six bowl. The MAC received that SUM after Western Michigan Broncos 's appearance in the Cotton Bowl last month. (The CFP's 2016-17 revenue distribution can be found here.)

The top four finishers in the CFP Rankings are in the playoff. A Group of Five school has yet to play for a national championship since the BCS era started in 1998.

The last school to win a national championship from what is now the Group of Five level was BYU in 1984.

In 2012, Northern Illinois became the first and only MAC school to qualify for a BCS bowl. The Huskies lost to Florida State Seminoles , 31-10, in the 2013 Orange Bowl.

"It's the truth: We don't have an access [point] to the playoff," Frazier said. "The reality is when you say it publicly."


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The Power Five conferences (SEC, ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12) receive an overwhelming majority of revenue. ESPN is paying $7.2 billion over 12 years for the rights to the CFP. That's an average of $600 million per year.

The Group of Five will make a combined $1 billion from the CFP over the life of that contract.

Still, that contract alone is part of the widening gap between the haves and have-nots of college football. There are strength coaches at Power Five schools making more than Group of Five head coaches.

Two years ago, Texas A&M spent half a billion dollars alone to renovate Kyle Field. That one facilities upgrade is almost 18 times higher than Northern Illinois' entire athletic budget ($28 million), according to the latest figures in USA Today's financial database.

That NIU number ranks 100th overall in Division I -- behind five FCS schools and 42 Group of Five schools and Division I independents.

Frazier received a lot of attention on the Group of Five playoff topic -- not all of it positive -- since first discussing the concept with ESPN in late December.

AAC commissioner Mike Aresco reiterated his stance Sunday when asked about the playoff by CBS Sports.

"Zero interest in the concept," said Aresco, who has added on many occasions his belief the American is the sixth power conference.


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"The CFP does provide more to every Group of Five institution," Florida Atlantic OwlsAD Patrick Chun said. "The other reality is, I don't know if the Group of Five is that unified to get all five conference involved."

The Group of Five commissioners have a previously scheduled Tuesday conference call. One source said he now expects Frazier's comments to be a subject of that call.

Frazier knows he is an outlier in speaking out on the topic.

"Some guy said I was in the minority of the playoff," Frazier said. "I just hit him back: I've been in the minority for a very long time."

Frazier is one of three African-American ADs in the Group of Five.

Group of Five presidents might see a separate playoff as a tacit creation of a separate -- lower -- division of FBS football. That could negatively affect everything from branding to fundraising to enrollment.

Divided among the 60 Group of Five schools, $160 million averages out to $2.66 million per school. That's not counting NCAA Tournament and bowl payouts. The current average is $1.38 million per school from the CFP.

The SEC just announced a per-school payout of $40 million annually.


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It's fair to say the 60 Group of Five schools are happy overall with the current revenue distribution. In the last year of the BCS (2013), the schools split $13 million.

There's no question a Group of Five playoff would make more money. Reality television -- whether "The Bachelor" or sports -- is all the rage. But how much more would make it viable?

One industry analyst told CBS Sports that ESPN currently pays one-third of that $160 million figure for the FCS playoffs, women's Final Four, College World Series and other minor college sports combined.

That source said the litmus test is this: If the Group of Five sold its playoff rights to a channel currently not on your cable system, would you buy that channel?

"I think it would be a challenge," Ohio State Buckeyes AD Gene Smith said. "You have so few television windows."

No size or format of such a playoff has formally been discussed. There would already be TV competition. FBS bowl games begin in mid-December. The CFP begins on or about Dec. 31 and extends into the first or second week of January.

"What I'm saying is, let's monetize the month of December that gives us a chance financially to get us back into the marketplace," Frazier said.

Frazier sees Idaho Vandals 's situation as an advancing trend. The school is dropping down to FCS in 2018 unable to financially sustain an FBS program in the Sun Belt Conference.

"It's a really contentious thing because, as soon as you start saying that you can't compete, then the next day you say, 'Why are we I doing this?'" Frazier said.

"My response would be, 'Why aren't we sitting down talking about how to fix this before it becomes a situation where we're dropping programs or dropping to FCS?'"

Frazier says 33 percent of his budget is balanced on the backs of student fees attached to tuition. While that's not rare at the mid-major level, it may not be sustainable.

"Right now, I'm not making any money. I'm paying money. I'm trying to figure out how to keep up with the Ohio States, the Michigans, and the Wisconsins, which is a pipe dream," he said.

"I'm going to say I want my brand of football, my brand of competition. How do I do that? Do I keep putting it on the backs of state governments, on my donors?

"State resources coming to public institutions are dwindling. They're going to be gone in the next 15-20 years. That's why you have to increase your enrollment."

Winning football definitely increases enrollment to some degree. Boise State Broncos saw applications skyrocket after beating Oklahoma Sooners in the 2007 Fiesta Bowl. Alabama is the fastest-growing state flagship university in the country. Enrollment has increased 58 percent since 2006.

That's a year before Nick Saban arrived. The unprecedented football excellence tied to enrollment is not a coincidence.

Gene Smith runs the third-richest athletic department in the country at Ohio State. He has literally been a participant in the current state of college athletics.

As a player, he has a national championship ring having played for Ara Parseghian atNotre Dame Fighting Irish . As a coach, he won a national championship working for Dan Devine. As an athletic director, he worked at that Group of Five level at Eastern Michigan Eagles . As an administrator, he has been a member of the NCAA infractions committee, Division I Men's Basketball committee and -- beginning this year -- the CFP Selection Committee.

Frazier has a fan in Ohio State's AD, even though Smith's athletic department budget is six times larger than that of Frazier.

"Creative thinking like that is [fine]," Smith said. "He's looking for alternatives, first and foremost, for his teams. Then he's looking for revenue platforms. The thinking, I think, is awesome.

"If we don't throw out things and suggestions that might be out of the box, we're going to stay stagnant."
 
Suicidal. It's a de facto acknowledgement that the P5 is a separate, higher-class classification. When the law suit comes, the P5 will defend itself by contending even the plaintiffs admit they are inherently inferior.
 
I would do this instead of bowl games. If we can still keep our seat at big boy table and do this I'd say yes. The Bowl games are dumb. Need some type of playoff.

I could actually see a playoff benefiting us, if we could show through domination (winning the playoff often) we dont belong with the small guys, could only help our case.
 
Suicidal. It's a de facto acknowledgement that the P5 is a separate, higher-class classification. When the law suit comes, the P5 will defend itself by contending even the plaintiffs admit they are inherently inferior.

You're making my point, it is already acknowledged except in black and white print. Just about every category and metric the P5 as a whole has left the G5 behind.

- Revenue
- Attendance
- Quality of Opponents
- Quality of Bowl Games
- National Championships

The only argument the G5 can make is to cherry pick a few bad teams across the P5 and say they are better.
 
You're making my point, it is already acknowledged except in black and white print. Just about every category and metric the P5 as a whole has left the G5 behind.

- Revenue
- Attendance
- Quality of Opponents
- Quality of Bowl Games
- National Championships

The only argument the G5 can make is to cherry pick a few bad teams across the P5 and say they are better.

...and that's all they'd need to do in a court if push came to shove and there was a restraint of trade lawsuit.
 
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Aresco is pushing for us to be a p6 and others a g4. We would never go along with this.

There needs to be at least 30 schools removed out of d1. 80% of c-usa, 60% of sunbelt, 50% of MAC, and a couple mwc schools have no business in d1.
 
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My car is worth $100,000, you want to buy it? Point is, just because some dude in N. Ill. says a playoff would be worth $160 Mil. doesn't mean anyone's willing to pay it. Why would anyone pay $116 Million more than the TOTAL they pay for the G5? And with all that, all it will add is $1.3 Mil. more or less for every G5 school. Is that small amount in the scheme of things worth officially accepting being 2nd class?
 
My car is worth $100,000, you want to buy it? Point is, just because some dude in N. Ill. says a playoff would be worth $160 Mil. doesn't mean anyone's willing to pay it. Why would anyone pay $116 Million more than the TOTAL they pay for the G5? And with all that, all it will add is $1.3 Mil. more or less for every G5 school. Is that small amount in the scheme of things worth officially accepting being 2nd class?

Doing this sounds good for them, but terrible for us. We want to separate from the bottom feeders. They can have a g4 playoff. Leave us alone. I'd rather fight than join up with FAU and FIU in a fcs playoff.
 
Why do we have to leave the chance to make a good bowl in order to have a second tier playoff. Basketball has a second and third tier playoff but that doesn't mean you can't make it to the big one.
 
You're making my point, it is already acknowledged except in black and white print. Just about every category and metric the P5 as a whole has left the G5 behind.

- Revenue
- Attendance
- Quality of Opponents
- Quality of Bowl Games
- National Championships

The only argument the G5 can make is to cherry pick a few bad teams across the P5 and say they are better.
Uh, no! You're saying the G5 conferences are the best athletic programs AND they are best because of something inherent superior. I'm saying there are many mediocre and a few horrible schools in the P5 AND that a large portion of P5 schools are ONLY better that most G5 school because of the restraint of trade tactics pervasively used by prevent G5 schools from generating broadcast and attendance revenue, recruit successfully, get invitations to the handful of non-money-losing bowls, scheduling barriers, conference mobility prohibitions, and heavy subsidization of conference doormat members like Vandy, Wash St., Purdue, and Iowa St. Even the systematic discriminatory pattern of investigations and sanctions has favored the P5. Threatening legal action and political intervention is the only way to mitigate and provide remedy to this intolerable situation.
 
You're making my point, it is already acknowledged except in black and white print. Just about every category and metric the P5 as a whole has left the G5 behind.

- Revenue
- Attendance
- Quality of Opponents
- Quality of Bowl Games
- National Championships

The only argument the G5 can make is to cherry pick a few bad teams across the P5 and say they are better.

I've seen you around here enough over the years to know your agenda, but here's a genuine reply:

It was always that way. The only factor you list where the gap is wider now than before is revenue (and it's much wider). The quality gap is relatively the same as before, and may actually be closing

Two other big factors that no one is talking about: population growth, and consolidation of conferences. The first is obvious enough. Regarding the second: Look at what's happened to the former Big East powers since leaving for the ACC, etc. Miami is a hot pile of garbage and has been entirely irrelevant since moving conferences. VT has been pretty lukewarm and hasn't made any noise either. WVU isn't doing anything of note in the B12... these are just examples. Nebraska is no better off today than they were in the B12. A&M is getting a fat paycheck, but they sure as hell aren't outdoing Saban, and thus aren't playing for any titles.

Bottom line: The consolidation of power really may not be a great thing for most schools. Their teams string together a bunch of mediocre seasons and their fans get bored. What are you going to do when Louisville becomes a very average ACC team and doesn't compete for titles for over a decade of seasons on end? You're very used to program ascent... how would you as a Louisville fan deal with the bitterness of conference mediocrity year over year for an extended period?

Moving to four 'superconferences' as rumored would extend this trend even further. There's only so much room at the top of each conference. And ESPiN likely sees this. They have to. Attendance figures are down across the board, and it's impossible to ignore. Perhaps in response they plan to expand the playoff in the not too distant future in order to give more teams and fans something to cheer an entire season for, instead of being locked out early in the year during the first couple conference games.

But if they want to expand the playoff, they'd almost certainly have to grant more access to G5 schools in order to avoid PR trouble and even potential litigation. That is, unless the G5 already has their own playoff... Hmmmmm
 
Why do we have to leave the chance to make a good bowl in order to have a second tier playoff. Basketball has a second and third tier playoff but that doesn't mean you can't make it to the big one.
This! Screw that, I want a chance to go back to a New Year's Day Bowl at all costs. A G5 playoff, seals our fate.
 
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Doing this sounds good for them, but terrible for us. We want to separate from the bottom feeders. They can have a g4 playoff. Leave us alone. I'd rather fight than join up with FAU and FIU in a fcs playoff.
We need to at least have the mentality like we are a big boy school so we can someday join them. We need to fight until the end for that and if we settle for a bottom feeder playoff, that's all we will ever be. What will recruits think of UCF?
 
Ill take a stab at agreeing to it.
If its at least 200 million a year nothing wrong with entertaining that.
For example - Have 90 million go to all the participating schools. Then reward the G5 champ and its conference 60 million for example (10 to 20 to the champ and 40 to 50 to the conference). The rest can split the remaining 50 however...runner up conference gets more, etc. A program with one or two G5 titles can all of a sudden collect revenue over the years that couldnt be done under the current status. Keep regular season games with the P5. Lets see how the budget compares and if we can attract better recruits. Our budget may still be less but perhaps we close in.

For example - UCF wins the G5 title - 11.5 to 21.5 million, win it a 2nd or 3rd time. Thats 35 million at the most in 3 years. AAC collects 150 million.
If all that money and exposure leads to landing players and we beat the P5 on the field, the P5 will panic again and try to break it up.
 
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