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Bernie Sanders, a deranged conspiracy theorist

KnighttimeJoe said:
Self made? Hmm. His daddy made a lot of stuff a lot easier for him as he started out.
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Trump got $10 million from his father, yes that is a lot of money but not in New York real estate. Hell a decent size retailer on 5th Avenue, say 5,000 square feet pays 3,000,000 a year in just rent , let alone CAM and Taxes. He turned that money into billions. That is like you and I getting $100 from our parents and turning it into a $1,000,000. Has anyone done that on this board?
 
Sir Galahad said:
Trump got $10 million from his father, yes that is a lot of money but not in New York real estate. Hell a decent size retailer on 5th Avenue, say 5,000 square feet pays 3,000,000 a year in just rent , let alone CAM and Taxes. He turned that money into billions. That is like you and I getting $100 from our parents and turning it into a $1,000,000. Has anyone done that on this board?
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Trump took over a $200 million real-estate-development business from his father, Fred Trump, in 1974, out of which he inherited a $40 million stake. He's done great as a businessman and expanded the worth of that company immensely, but let's be clear: he was set up for success from the beginning.

And I don't have a problem with that.

Let's not forget that was 1974 too. In 1973 George Steinbrenner paid 8.8 million to buy the damn Yankees.
 
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I'm really starting to believe that Trump will be the next president of the US. I'm not voting for him but I'm not sure how I feel about it anymore either. On the one hand he has given every indication that he will cooperate across the aisle, I don't think he would be satisfied as an ineffective pres. Also, I'm now fully convinced that he is playing the GOP for fools,that he hasn't actually changed his stripes and would probably be a very moderate president on domestic issues. The real unknown is how he would operate on foreign issues.

The fact he has built enough momentum to tell Fox to F off is impressive.
 
Angry Student said:
I'm really starting to believe that Trump will be the next president of the US. I'm not voting for him but I'm not sure how I feel about it anymore either. On the one hand he has given every indication that he will cooperate across the aisle, I don't think he would be satisfied as an ineffective pres. Also, I'm now fully convinced that he is playing the GOP for fools,that he hasn't actually changed his stripes and would probably be a very moderate president on domestic issues. The real unknown is how he would operate on foreign issues.

The fact he has built enough momentum to tell Fox to F off is impressive.
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Donald Trump will not be the next POTUS. Book it. He's not even going to be the Republican nominee. There's no way in hell the party will let him out of the RNC. Book that too.
 
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KnighttimeJoe said:
Donald Trump will not be the next POTUS. Book it. He's not even going to be the Republican nominee. There's no way in hell the party will let him out of the RNC. Book that too.
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If Trump wins enough votes and then the republicans broker the convention you can kiss the republican party goodbye forever. The reason why Trump is so popular is because its not a democrat or republican thing. The people that hate him are conservatives and liberals and they are a very minor percentage of the population in reality. What is left over are average centrists that lean either right or left but would support someone like a Trump that is not such an holy roller as Cruz and not such a lying cheat as Clinton.
 
Sir Galahad said:
If Trump wins enough votes and then the republicans broker the convention you can kiss the republican party goodbye forever. The reason why Trump is so popular is because its not a democrat or republican thing. The people that hate him are conservatives and liberals and they are a very minor percentage of the population in reality. What is left over are average centrists that lean either right or left but would support someone like a Trump that is not such an holy roller as Cruz and not such a lying cheat as Clinton.
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I agree with you that it would be the death of the party if it happened.

Let's see what goes on as these state begin to caucus. I'm not entirely convinced Trump wins out. Iowa and New Hampshire have been won in the past by people who never sniffed anything nationally, so in essence, we've got a long way to go.
 
Poolside Knight said:
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I didn't read the story but Rubio is where I've settled. If Jeb can make a big jump in the next month I'll be back on his train but Rubio is the most logical nominee at this point with Jeb or Fiorina as VP, Flipped from what I was thinking a few months ago with Jeb or Kasich and Rubio or Fiorina as VP. Lindsey Graham would make a good VP for any of them as well, I like his hawkishness.
 
Bob the Knight said:
I didn't read the story but Rubio is where I've settled. If Jeb can make a big jump in the next month I'll be back on his train but Rubio is the most logical nominee at this point with Jeb or Fiorina as VP, Flipped from what I was thinking a few months ago with Jeb or Kasich and Rubio or Fiorina as VP. Lindsey Graham would make a good VP for any of them as well, I like his hawkishness.
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Jeb and Rubio. Don't be surprised.
 
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Ugh you fúckers will be voting for those cucks w out me - if it's not Rand or Trump I'll be voting for Gary Johnson
 
I will take this election off if Jeb is the candidate. Sorry but I don't believe in a monarchy. The Bush family is not royalty and not deserving of such a role in American history.
 
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I don't think Jeb has a chance. He's outspending everyone w attack ads & he still doesn't move the needle. In Iowa they are saying that Rubio is actually getting college students campaigning for him which you don't see often as 'an establishment'/not a Paul candidate which is another little example of his crossover appeal that the article touched on.

The strongest winning ticket for the Rs would be Rubio-Kasich
 
Poolside Knight said:
I don't think Jeb has a chance. He's outspending everyone w attack ads & he still doesn't move the needle. In Iowa they are saying that Rubio is actually getting college students campaigning for him which you don't see often as 'an establishment'/not a Paul candidate which is another little example of his crossover appeal that the article touched on.

The strongest winning ticket for the Rs would be Rubio-Kasich
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That might be a strong ticket for the republican establishment but it won't beat Clinton. Establishment republicans are too stupid to realize people done want establishment candidate.
 
Sir Galahad said:
That might be a strong ticket for the republican establishment but it won't beat Clinton. Establishment republicans are too stupid to realize people done want establishment candidate.
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disagree. Obama was a unique candidate, Hillary is not. The anti immigrant/ class warfare tactic will not work as well for her especially against a son of immigrants that speaks fluent Spanish
 
When Hillary speaks it makes me physically ill. Not just her message, just the sound of her actual robotic voice.

If the Republicans can just get Trump out of the goddamn way, and get a Rubio ticket on board, they'll EASILY beat Hillary. Her popularity is skewed so heavily towards older people amongst the D's compared to the young socialists' favorite Sanders. The people who voted for Obama probably won't even get out of bed to vote for Hillary.
 
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UCFKnight85 said:
When Hillary speaks it makes me physically ill. Not just her message, just the sound of her actual robotic voice.

If the Republicans can just get Trump out of the goddamn way, and get a Rubio ticket on board, they'll EASILY beat Hillary. Her popularity is skewed so heavily towards older people amongst the D's compared to the young socialists' favorite Sanders. The people who voted for Obama probably won't even get out of bed to vote for Hillary.
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In that case, Let's Make America Great Again!
 
Rubio and Jeb don't have a chance. Crap, here is the oppo on Rubio from Clinton's hit jobbers and that was the last cycle. Who knows what else they have found.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/99535157/

Im leaving for NH for a week tomorrow. I'll let you know if it looks any different on the ground.
 
HuffyCane said:
Rubio and Jeb don't have a chance. Crap, here is the oppo on Rubio from Clinton's hit jobbers and that was the last cycle. Who knows what else they have found.
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Im leaving for NH for a week tomorrow. I'll let you know if it looks any different on the ground.
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So he's a politician? He used his public influence to make money? Clinton Foundation anyone?
 
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It's morbidly ironic that a Clinton is accusing anyone else of abusing power to gain political advantages.
 
MACHater02 said:
You think he's right about Trump & Clinton taking the next 2 states?
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oops. Silver obviously didn't expect the disastrous debate.

Barring something drastic happening Trump easily takes South Carolina bc Cruz/Bush/Rubio will continue to split the alternative to Trump vote
 
Christie and Fiorina, and soon Carson, are all out. That represents 14% of the NH primary split.

That's all 14% that likely will not be going to Cruz or Trump.

The real race in SC will be seeing who amongst Rubio, Bush, and Kasich fairs best. Because the losers are going to come under heavy pressure to get out and let the non-Trump voters stop being split and starting defeating him.

There was a combined 47% split between Kasich/Bush/Rubio/Christie/Fiorina last night. That's a ton of anti-Trump potential.
 
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UCFKnight85 said:
There was a combined 47% split between Kasich/Bush/Rubio/Christie/Fiorina last night. That's a ton of anti-Trump potential.
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That's all I was looking at. Everyone that voted for those five would vote for any of those five over Trump. Trump is going to win SC but before Nevada the GOP needs two of the remaining three to call it quits and get the support the last man standing to get over this Trump BS.
 
Sir Galahad said:
If Trump wins enough votes and then the republicans broker the convention you can kiss the republican party goodbye forever. The reason why Trump is so popular is because its not a democrat or republican thing. The people that hate him are conservatives and liberals and they are a very minor percentage of the population in reality. What is left over are average centrists that lean either right or left but would support someone like a Trump that is not such an holy roller as Cruz and not such a lying cheat as Clinton.
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Trump is the last gasp of relevance for McCarthy-era white folks who have been convinced by Fox News that they are the most oppressed minority in this country. Trump is the end of the dying breed of old Reaganites who destroyed our middle class by allowing jobs to be shipped overseas, destroying unions, not investing in infrastructure, deregulating everything, and just overall flushing the country down the toilet for the last 35 years. Much younger, and smarter, people are taking over the election cycle. People who aren't scared of minorities, or poor people, or Europe.
 
chemmie said:
Trump is the last gasp of relevance for McCarthy-era white folks who have been convinced by Fox News that they are the most oppressed minority in this country. Trump is the end of the dying breed of old Reaganites who destroyed our middle class by allowing jobs to be shipped overseas, destroying unions, not investing in infrastructure, deregulating everything, and just overall flushing the country down the toilet for the last 35 years. Much younger, and smarter, people are taking over the election cycle. People who aren't scared of minorities, or poor people, or Europe.
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LOL

You started OK but then drifted into pure fantasy, yet again.

I honestly wonder how long deranged left wing fanatics like you will continue crying about Reagan? Will you be on your death bed pissing and moaning about Ronald Regan then too? My bet is yes. You'll blame him for the massive coronary in your heart that developed over many years of excessively fatty food and beer.

Weren't you just jerking off to the "Obama jobs numbers!"? Which is it? Did meanie Reagan ship every good job overseas? Or are things really great under Obama's awesome watch? Unless of course you're dumb enough to think that globalization has ceased to exist under Obama and he's magically willed all of those jobs back to the US, which every study shows clearly didn't happen.

You really do view everything as one massive shit pie and have a complex whereby you blame everyone else for your shortcomings. IN other words, you're the perfect liberal.
 
chemmie said:
Trump is the last gasp of relevance for McCarthy-era white folks who have been convinced by Fox News that they are the most oppressed minority in this country. Trump is the end of the dying breed of old Reaganites who destroyed our middle class by allowing jobs to be shipped overseas, destroying unions, not investing in infrastructure, deregulating everything, and just overall flushing the country down the toilet for the last 35 years. Much younger, and smarter, people are taking over the election cycle. People who aren't scared of minorities, or poor people, or Europe.
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And who are you supporting? The rich white 35 year career politician or the rich white 37 year career politician? In case you didn't notice the younger, smarter, poorer minority candidates have R's next to their name.
 
Bob the Knight said:
And who are you supporting? The rich white 35 year career politician or the rich white 37 year career politician? In case you didn't notice the younger, smarter, poorer minority candidates have R's next to their name.
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Hilarious isn't it? They actually say shit like above, yet ignore the fact that they're picking between two extremely white senior citizens that have spent their entire lives in politics. There are roughly 10 black people in all of Vermont and Hillary doesn't visit areas where the median income is less than $1M per year.

But hey, Sanders pandered to Al Sharpton today. It's all good!
 
UCFKnight85 said:
LOL

You started OK but then drifted into pure fantasy, yet again.

I honestly wonder how long deranged left wing fanatics like you will continue crying about Reagan? Will you be on your death bed pissing and moaning about Ronald Regan then too? My bet is yes. You'll blame him for the massive coronary in your heart that developed over many years of excessively fatty food and beer.

Weren't you just jerking off to the "Obama jobs numbers!"? Which is it? Did meanie Reagan ship every good job overseas? Or are things really great under Obama's awesome watch? Unless of course you're dumb enough to think that globalization has ceased to exist under Obama and he's magically willed all of those jobs back to the US, which every study shows clearly didn't happen.

You really do view everything as one massive shit pie and have a complex whereby you blame everyone else for your shortcomings. IN other words, you're the perfect liberal.
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UCFKnight85 said:
LOL

You started OK but then drifted into pure fantasy, yet again.

I honestly wonder how long deranged left wing fanatics like you will continue crying about Reagan? Will you be on your death bed pissing and moaning about Ronald Regan then too? My bet is yes. You'll blame him for the massive coronary in your heart that developed over many years of excessively fatty food and beer.

Weren't you just jerking off to the "Obama jobs numbers!"? Which is it? Did meanie Reagan ship every good job overseas? Or are things really great under Obama's awesome watch? Unless of course you're dumb enough to think that globalization has ceased to exist under Obama and he's magically willed all of those jobs back to the US, which every study shows clearly didn't happen.

You really do view everything as one massive shit pie and have a complex whereby you blame everyone else for your shortcomings. IN other words, you're the perfect liberal.
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Do you ever realize that you never produce any factual evidence, and often just create arguments out of thin air? You are full of bullshit, and couldn't debate your way out of a paper bag.

First, nobody mentioned Obama. Obama's unemployment numbers have been positive, especially compared to his predecessor. However, overall income inequality has gotten worse. Obama has done little to improve the underlying situation. But, we are digressing.

Contrary to your style, the comments I made about the middle class shrinking, loss of organized workers, infrastructure, deregulation, stagnant wages, etc. can easily be verified as fact with a simple Google search. You should try using facts to make arguments for a change. People may eventually take you seriously.
 
1ofTheseKnights said:
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This is true, and is the reason why you should be supporting Bernie Sanders.

You may despise Social Democracy, but the vast majority of his socialist ideas will never be implemented with our current Congress. What Bernie Sanders does provide, is the best chance at an alternative to the status quo. No other candidate provides that and actually has a fighting chance.
 
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