ADVERTISEMENT

Biden to unveil long-awaited executive action on guns

I never played college football but it doesn't stop me from bitching about the Knights or the Huskers.

I don't hunt anymore but it doesn't mean I can't shake my head in disbelief at 'the sport' of hunting with a damn AR-15.
 
DaShuckster said:
I never played college football but it doesn't stop me from bitching about the Knights or the Huskers.

I don't hunt anymore but it doesn't mean I can't shake my head in disbelief at 'the sport' of hunting with a damn AR-15.
Click to expand...
Are you suggesting that it's easier to kill something with an AR-15?
 
DaShuckster said:
Why OF COURSE NOT! I'm sure it requires AMAZING skill to kill a pheasant or a deer with one of those babies with a super scope.
Click to expand...
Well first of all it's illegal pretty much everywhere to use a rifle for pheasant hunting and would take an incredible amount of skill to do so. Secondly, almost everyone who goes deer hunting use a scope on whatever rifle they use. Again, you are arguing out of a position of ignorance.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fabknight and Knight In TN
Crazyhole said:
Not so much the cattle, but the feral hogs that kill cattle and destroy crops.
Click to expand...
Feral hogs are massive dangers to ranches and farms. They can fûck up the ground with trenches 3 feet deep and 5 feet wide and kill cattle.

There are millions of them in Texas and are such a scourge they can be legally hunted year round with no limits. Most don’t believe that eradication is even possible based on how quickly they sexually mature and how fast they can produce litters of offspring.

Chasing away (and killing as many as possible) feral hogs for a rancher is something an AR-15 is well suited to do.
 
DaShuckster said:
OH HELL YEAH!!!!

With over 10 million AR-15s in this country, those feral hogs are GOING DOWN, BABY!!!! :)
Click to expand...
Please just admit you want to control other people so you feel better about yourself.

It’s none of your business what anybody who owns an AR-15 wants it for, unless they’re going to use it to break the law.

I know freedom is something you don’t really like unless you agree with it, so I don’t expect you to agree with it.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fabknight
Four mass shootings in the past week. Thoughts and prayers but God forbid we actually take steps to stop this insanity, right guys?

WE NEED OUR AR-15s!!!!! There's just too damn many feral pigs out there. :)
 
DaShuckster said:
A shame we'll never know.
Click to expand...
Dear retard,

1. America is relatively safe, and the trend is toward becoming safer.

  • According to the National Crime Victimization Survey, violent crime has been declining steadily since the early 1990s.
  • The 2011 homicide rate was almost half of the rate in 1991, and according to Pew Research, the 2013 gun-related death rate was half of the rate in 1993.
  • The number of non-fatal firearm crimes committed in 2011 was one-sixth the number committed in 1993.
  • In the past few years, there have been minor increases in certain types of violent crimes, mainly in large metropolitan areas. However, these increases are nowhere near those seen in the 1990s and are largely related to gang activity.
  • It should be remembered that it takes at least three to five years of data to show true trend lines. It appears that the collective homicide toll for America’s 50 largest cities decreased modestly in 2017 after two consecutive years of increases.
2. The principal public safety concerns are suicides and illegally owned handguns.

  • According to the Pew Research Center, almost two-thirds of America’s annual gun deaths are suicides. Since 1981, when the Centers for Disease Control began publishing data, gun suicides have outnumbered gun homicides. In 2010 alone, 19,392 Americans used guns to kill themselves.
  • Most gun-related crimes are carried out with illegally owned firearms—as much as 80 percent according to some estimates.
  • The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports prove that the overwhelming majority of gun-related homicides are perpetrated with handguns, with rifles of any kind accounting for less than 3 percent of gun-related homicides. In 2013, 5,782 murders were committed by killers who used a handgun, compared to 285 committed by killers who used a rifle. The same holds true for 2012 (6,404 to 298); 2011 (6,251 to 332); 2010 (6,115 to 367); and 2009 (6,501 to 351).
  • More people are stabbed to death every year than are murdered with rifles.
  • A person is more likely to be bludgeoned to death with a blunt object or beaten to death with hands and feet than to be murdered with a rifle.
3. A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.

  • Where do you live? Murders in the United States are very concentrated. According to the Crime Prevention Research Center, over 50 percent of murders occur in 2 percent of the nation’s 3,142 counties. Moreover, gun-related homicides are heavily concentrated in certain neighborhoods within those counties: 54 percent of U.S. counties had zero murders in 2014.
  • Who is your partner? According to a recent scholarly article in the Hastings Law Journal, people recently or currently involved in an abusive intimate relationship are much more likely to be victims of gun-related homicide than is the rest of the population, especially if the abuser possesses firearms.
  • Are you in a gang? According to the Department of Justice’s National Gang Center, particularly in urban areas, significant percentages of gun-related homicides (15 percent to 33 percent) are linked with gang and drug activity. Gang-related homicides are more likely to involve firearms than non-gang-related homicides are.
  • Are you a male between 15 and 34? The majority of standard gun murder victims are men between the ages of 15 and 34. Although black men make up roughly 7 percent of the population, they account for almost two-thirds of gun murder victims every year.
  • Women and children are more likely to be the victims of mass shootings and homicide-suicide shootings than they are to be the victims of a “typical” gun-related homicide.
4. The perpetration of gun-related murders is often carried out by predictable people.

5. Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.

  • Switzerland and Israel have much higher gun ownership ratesthan the United States but experience far fewer homicides and have much lower violent crime rates than many European nations with strict gun control laws.
    • While some will argue that the guns carried by Swiss and Israeli citizens are technically “owned” by the government in most cases, this does little to negate the fact that many citizens in those countries have ready access to firearms.
  • Canada is ranked 12th in the world for the number of civilian-owned guns per capita and reports one of the world’s lower homicide rates—but even then, some provinces have higher homicide rates than U.S. states with less restrictive laws and higher rates of gun ownership have.
  • Although many gun control advocates have noted that “right-to-carry” states tend to experience slight increases in violent crime, other studies have noted the opposite effect.
  • Higher rates of concealed carry permit holders are even more strongly associated with reduction in violent crime than are “right-to-carry” states. The probable reason for this is that “right-to-carry” studies often include “open carry” states, which have not been shown to correlate with more people actually carrying or even owning firearms. Rates of concealed carry permit holders are better indicators of the number of people who actually possess and carry firearms within a given population.
  • Further, as with most correlations, there are many other factors that can account for increases in concealed carry permits—including the fact that people who live in already dangerous neighborhoods seek out means of self-defense. The Huffington Post noted that the rate of concealed carry permit requests in Chicago has soared in recent years after the city loosened restrictions, in large part, according to the Chicago Tribune, because law-abiding residents are increasingly worried about rising rates of violent crime in the city.
  • The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than it is among African-Americans, but the murder rate among African-Americans is significantly higher than the rate among whites.
  • Similarly, the rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but urban areas experience higher murder rates.
6. There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.

  • The Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence ironically makes this clear with its ratings for states based on gun laws. “Gun freedom” states that score poorly, like New Hampshire, Vermont, Idaho, and Oregon, have some of the lowest homicide rates. Conversely, “gun-control-loving” states that received high scores, like Maryland and Illinois, experience some of the nation’s highest homicide rates.
  • The Crime Prevention Research Center notes that, if anything, the data indicate that countries with high rates of gun ownership tend to have lower homicide rates—but this is only a correlation, and many factors do not necessarily support a conclusion that high rates of gun ownership cause the low rates of homicide.
  • Homicide and firearm homicide rates in Great Britain spiked in the years immediately following the imposition of severe gun control measures, despite the fact that most developed countries continued to experience a downward trend in these rates. This is also pointed out by noted criminologist John Lott in his book “The War on Guns.”
  • Similarly, Ireland’s homicide rates spiked in the years immediately following the country’s 1972 gun confiscation legislation.
  • Australia’s National Firearms Act appears to have had little effect on suicide and homicide rates, which were falling before the law was enacted and continued to decline at a statistically unremarkable rate compared to worldwide trends.
  • According to research compiled by John Lott and highlighted in his book “The War on Guns,” Australia’s armed and unarmed robbery rates both increased markedly in the five years immediately following the National Firearms Act, despite the general downward trend experienced by other developed countries.
  • Great Britain has some of the strictest gun control laws in the developed world, but the violent crime rate for homicide, rape, burglary, and aggravated assault is much higher than that in the U.S. Further, approximately 60 percent of burglaries in Great Britain occur while residents are home, compared to just 13 percent in the U.S., and British burglars admit to targeting occupied residences because they are more likely to find wallets and purses.
  • It is difficult to compare homicide and firearm-related murder rates across international borders because countries use different methods to determine which deaths “count” for purposes of violent crime. For example, since 1967, Great Britain has excluded from its homicide counts any case that does not result in a conviction, that was the result of dangerous driving, or in which the person was determined to have acted in self-defense. All of these factors are counted as “homicides” in the United States.
7. Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.

  • In 2013, President Barack Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to assess existing research on gun violence. The report, compiled by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, found (among other things) that firearms are used defensively hundreds of thousands of times every year.
  • According to the CDC, “self-defense can be an important crime deterrent.” Recent CDC reports acknowledge that studies directly assessing the effect of actual defensive uses of guns have found “consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.”
  • Semi-automatic rifles (such as the AR-15) are commonly used as self-defense weapons in the homes of law-abiding citizens because they are easier to control than handguns, are more versatile than handguns, and offer the advantage of up to 30 rounds of protection. Even Vox has published stories defending the use of the AR-15.
  • AR-15s have been used to save lives on many occasions, including:
    • Oswego, Illinois (2018) — A man with an AR-15 intervened to stop a neighbor’s knife attack and cited the larger weapon’s “intimidation factor” as a reason why the attacker dropped the knife.
    • Catawba County, North Carolina (2018) — A 17-year-old successfully fought off three armed attackers with his AR-15.
    • Houston, Texas (2017) — A homeowner survived a drive-by shooting by defending himself with his AR-15.
    • Broken Arrow, Oklahoma (2017) — A homeowner’s son killed three would-be burglars with an AR-15 (the man was later deemed to have acted in justifiable self-defense).
    • Ferguson, Missouri (2014) — African-American men protected a white man’s store from rioters by standing outside armed with AR-15s.
    • Texas (2013) — A 15-year-old boy used an AR-15 during a home invasion to save both his life and that of his 12-year-old sister.
    • Rochester, New York (2013) — Home intruders fled after facing an AR-15.
8. Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.

 
  • Like
Reactions: UCFBS and fabknight
Take guns out of the hands of the demographic that is most likely to use them to commit a crime and the problem is largely solved.
 
  • Like
Reactions: fabknight
_glaciers said:
Dear retard
Click to expand...
Says the guy who blatantly copies and pastes other people's stuff without attributing its source.

What's hilarious is that this clown probably believes we think he wrote it up all by himself.

Yeah, when pigs fly. :) :) :) :) :)
 
DaShuckster said:
Says the guy who blatantly copies and pastes other people's stuff without attributing its source.

What's hilarious is that this clown probably believes we think he wrote it up all by himself.

Yeah, when pigs fly. :) :) :) :) :)
Click to expand...

cool story, pedophile.

feel free to disprove any of it
 
Crazyhole said:
Take guns out of the hands of the demographic that is most likely to use them to commit a crime and the problem is largely solved.
Click to expand...
You will never stop criminal acts by taking away the rights of the law-abiding. Also, prohibition has never worked in this country.
 
fabknight said:
The article says, "More than 100 House Democrats wrote to Biden last week, urging him to take action on the concealed assault-style firearms, which".

What the heck is a "concealed assault-style firearm"?
Click to expand...
I loved the InRange video short of someone 'demonstrating' this to the voice over of Bloomberg. I had that thing on repeat for over 15 minutes, just rolling.

Utter ignorance on display. That's our leadership and what drives people. It's rather amazing to meet a 2A advocate who was once a 'gun safety' advocate. Every one says the same thing.

"I was too f---ing ignorant to even debate, and I cannot believe how stupid I sounded to anyone who knew anything about firearms and their statistics."

As always...

- First we ban AR15 types, which will make no dent at all
- So then we go after even more guns, especially ones that will also minimize effectiveness
- So we end up banning revolvers and pump action shotguns as well, everything invented 1780-1820 in the life time of the founders

And this includes....

- Requiring mandatory checks, which means...
- Requiring mandatory buy-backs, which means...
- Requiring mandatory registration

Not 1 single celebrity or media personality answers this question when presented that reality. Colin Noir literally hits them right repeatedly with that, and it's always, 'well, I don't know how we should' or 'There's a plan already proposed that works' but they know nothing of it, not one detail, of course.

And as New York not only found out, but covered up until their own Supreme Court required to be disclosed over 2 years after it went into effect...

95% of citizens chose to become felons by not registering their guns, than register.

Although at least in the case of New York, their registration system worked. The courts in California read their governments the riot act for turning their citizens into felons because they couldn't register on their broken web sites, and could not in person either.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sk8knight
DaShuckster said:
I don't hunt anymore but it doesn't mean I can't shake my head in disbelief at 'the sport' of hunting with a damn AR-15.
Click to expand...
Because you don't understand how Direct Impingement works. It's not designed for war. That's actually Gas Piston.

Direct Impingement (DI) is actually designed for low cyclic accuracy, and ideal for semi-auto, but not as good for full auto.

DI has only gotten better for full auto because Colt and a handful of others have had 50 years to improve it. But those DI 'AR15' products are not sold to the public.

Meanwhile, nearly all our allies use Gas Piston, as well as the Russians. The US Marines actually use Gas Piston now, in a very political shell game to get away from the US Army and US Congressional control.

And don't get me started about the AR15 mag well for full auto. That's its even bigger archillies heal. The US Marines also mitigated some of that with a shell game too, long story.

Which explains why virtually every mass shooter that has used a high capacity magazine has had it jam. Aurora is probably the ultimate case study of 'doing it wrong.'

And Parkland is the perfect study of how someone with low capacity magazines and only 2.5 minutes can kill more, with less, than the Sandyhook shooter could in 25, or what I call, 'doing it right.'

Kid would have killed even more with a 45, let alone PPC, but the infamy isn't in a PPC, but an AR15.

Although even when revolvers and shotguns are used, the US Media and Biden will say AR15. Heck, they've done so for multiple knifings.

Again, at some point you'll aren't just completely ignorant idiots, but can't even get the type of weapon right.
 
  • Like
Reactions: UCFKnightfan08 and sk8knight
Yeah guys, the only 1st world country on earth with limitless and ridiculously easy access to guns also happens to be the only 1st world country on earth with a mass shooting every other week.

You have to be a f*cked in the head cult member to try and claim there isn't a correlation.
 
UCFBS said:
Because you don't understand how Direct Impingement works. It's not designed for war. That's actually Gas Piston.

Direct Impingement (DI) is actually designed for low cyclic accuracy, and ideal for semi-auto, but not as good for full auto.
Click to expand...
I'm certainly no gun expert but even I know both types (direct impingement & piston) involve extracting a spent bullet and loading another in the chamber. Maybe hunting has changed from when I was a kid, but I don't recall feeling compelled to make multiple kills at one time.

To act like there's a monumental difference between a semi-auto and full auto is disingenuous. When it comes to killing more than one human being at a time, the difference is simply how many.
 
DaShuckster said:
I'm certainly no gun expert but even I know both types (direct impingement & piston) involve extracting a spent bullet and loading another in the chamber. Maybe hunting has changed from when I was a kid, but I don't recall feeling compelled to make multiple kills at one time.

To act like there's a monumental difference between a semi-auto and full auto is disingenuous. When it comes to killing more than one human being at a time, the difference is simply how many.
Click to expand...
You do realize that hunting is not the only Constitutionally-protected reason to have guns, right?
 
sk8knight said:
You do realize that hunting is not the only Constitutionally-protected reason to have guns, right?
Click to expand...
I was told on a board similar to this one back in the days of President Obama that bad-ass weapons like the AR-15 rifle are essential because "at the end of Obama's eight years, it's likely that he'll refuse to leave office so average citizens need to be armed and ready for civil war."

Given what Trump attempted to do, that comment by a gun-toting conservative is particularly ironic now.
 
DaShuckster said:
I'm certainly no gun expert but even I know both types (direct impingement & piston) involve extracting a spent bullet and loading another in the chamber. Maybe hunting has changed from when I was a kid, but I don't recall feeling compelled to make multiple kills at one time.

To act like there's a monumental difference between a semi-auto and full auto is disingenuous. When it comes to killing more than one human being at a time, the difference is simply how many.
Click to expand...


Who is babbling about DI vs piston operated? And why the hell would that moron think it has anything to do killing people?

These trump nuthuggers are mind boggling idiotic.
 
The 'gun safety' plan of the ignorant is basically as follows ...

1) Outlaw all rifles with plastic, grips and other 'things' -- no required mechanical definition

Nothing changes statistics-wise, and with a mandatory gun buy-back, requires both registration of 'plastic rifles,' and the removal of 10=30% of total firearms, depending on the definitions

2) Outlaw anything invented in the 1840s-1880s -- actual, mechanical definition

Changes little statistic-wise, and with a mandatory gun buy-back, causes full registration of all guns, and the removal of 85% of all firearms. This pretty much neuters the 2nd Amendment.

3) Outlaw anything invited in the 1780s-1820s -- actual, mechanical definition

This now outlaws revolvers and pump action weapons, and renders virtually all guns illegal. And because of full registration of guns in #2, it results in the destruction of the 2nd Amendment entirely.

This now will lead to organized crime taking over neighborhoods where people at least had revolvers and pump action shotguns. So statistics will actually get worse.

Because organized crime is nearing $2T/year in the US. Entire cities are run by it, even more so as a result of the lockdown and destruction of all but major corporations and organized crime as the lifeblood of the US, at least outside of technology, but that's still 90%+ controlled by 5 companies.
 
  • Like
Reactions: sk8knight and Knight In TN
NinjaKnight said:
Yeah guys, the only 1st world country on earth with limitless and ridiculously easy access to guns also happens to be the only 1st world country on earth with a mass shooting every other week.

You have to be a f*cked in the head cult member to try and claim there isn't a correlation.
Click to expand...
IDGAF what you think.
 
NinjaKnight said:
Yeah guys, the only 1st world country on earth with limitless and ridiculously easy access to guns also happens to be the only 1st world country on earth with a mass shooting every other week.

You have to be a f*cked in the head cult member to try and claim there isn't a correlation.
Click to expand...
“For a highly developed and wealthy nation, the United States has an unusually high rate of mass shootings. However, it is a common misconception that it is the worst country globally in terms of mass shooting rates. The truth of the matter is that the United States is number sixty-six on the list of countries in terms of mass shooting rates per capita, but they have had more mass shootings than any other country in terms of overall numbers.

That finding rings true when all countries around the world are taken into consideration. Looking at the United States alongside all the countries in Europealone, the United States has the twelfth highest mass shooting rate. A few European countries with a higher mass shooting rate per capita than the United States include Russia, Norway, France, Switzerland, and Finland.”

Mass Shootings by Country 2024

worldpopulationreview.com worldpopulationreview.com
 
sk8knight said:
... Russia, Norway, France, Switzerland, and Finland.”
Click to expand...
Which is why Norway and Switzerland being touted by the right-wing isn't a good move.

I've long called people out on the right for this, especially since Switzerland has only about 10% of their househoulds with a gun, while the US is closer to 50% (60M out of 130M households).

Although that said, given the number of households with a gun, versus everything from furniture to pools, kids are 12 and 40x more likely to be killed by parental negligence in failing to secure furniture and access to a pool, respectively, than a gun in the same household.

And 90% of kids are killed by guns as part of or as a victim of organized crime, primarily ages 14-17. That's why poor, inner city African-Americans get really tired of people blaming guns, when their major issue is the gross ignorance of the US populace of their real issues and why organize crime dominates.

Which is where both BLM and the Black Panthers come in, and why I utterly agree with them.

Same with undocumented residents. They're not the problem but the people on both sides of the border that are ready to abuse them. If we actually issued Green cards and stopped the temporary dreamer and work visa non-sense, allowing them to move freely, the non-immigration, worse-than-indentured-servitude, California wants to count me as a citizen, but not treat me as one, load of BS would end too.

Yes, I'm an actual, open borders Libertarian, while the left and US Media are lip-service, we serve our corporate masters, "put them under the thumb of big business and organized crime" non-immigration advocates.

Both in a booming, and now -- thanx to the lockdowns -- $2T/year industry. If Biden screwed up, it was not only not addressing this, but promoting conditions to only make it expand ... at the border, in the inner city ... and people realize this. Which is why Trump only got more popular with African and Hispanic Americans in 2020. Not less.

Not saying Trump held any answers. But the left and US Media are promoting conditions that are making the lives of poor Africa and Hispanic Americans even worse. Heck, even after defacing CNN's sign, they still won't 'wake up.'
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: sk8knight
DaShuckster said:
66th per capita?
Whew, I feel SO MUCH BETTER now.*
Click to expand...
Which goes to show... no matter how much we ban guns like all those other nations, it's not going to make any difference.

And that's the reality no 'gun safety' person wants to address. It totally undermines their arguments entirely.
 
KnighttimeJoe said:
There are 393 million guns in this country. No ban of any type is going to do anything.
Click to expand...
Certainly didn't in New York. 95% of people refused to turn in any guns types they owned that were outlawed, even 2 years after the bans went into effect.
 
Crazyhole said:
Take guns out of the hands of the demographic that is most likely to use them to commit a crime and the problem is largely solved.
Click to expand...
You mean like mentally ill people?

A mother alerted authorities last year that she feared her son would commit suicide by police. Her son's gun was appropriately taken away from him. But then he turned around and legally purchased two assault rifles that he used to kill a bunch of innocent people and himself in Indianapolis last week.

I shake my head when the mass-shooting-of-the-week hits the news and the news reporter announces that authorities are still looking for a motive. A motive??!? Really??!? You mean something that would help explain why a mentally ill dude did something batshit crazy?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Brandon

OT: Almost nobody watches Apple TV+

Replies
31
Views
1K
The Dungeon - Knights Only
NothingButKnight
NothingButKnight
era3

Port St Joe HS Star Player Dies After Collapsing On Field

Replies
5
Views
510
The Dungeon - Knights Only
KnightedIbis
KnightedIbis
Brandon

***No. 1 lineman Lamar Brown visits UCF: 'I love this place' 🏈

Replies
75
Views
8K
The Dungeon - Knights Only
Cocoa2010
Cocoa2010
Brandon

***Antione Jackson loving it at UCF ⚔️🏈

Replies
9
Views
1K
The Dungeon - Knights Only
lazysunday
L
Brandon

***UCF vs. TCU Football Preview with Frogs Insider***

Replies
18
Views
1K
The Dungeon - Knights Only
Auggie25
Auggie25
ADVERTISEMENT

Latest posts

ADVERTISEMENT
Top Bottom
Back