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I just want to win, brother. I hate losing. To me, losing is a sin.I really don't understand this. Strikes me as emotionally-biased/Nostalgia-induced.
Frost is literally being fired because he sucked at calling offense and failed to score points to win. That is THE reason he is being fired.
Comparing body of work game for game?
At this point, week 3 of Frost's second season he was 8-7 at UCF.
Gus is 10-5.
The math is indicative of there being no comparison.
Don't let one early-season loss get in the way of rationality. I use 2013's loss to South Carolina as example. Many games were on the line until the last couple of plays that year, "Cardiac Knights" they were called.I just want to win, brother. I hate losing. To me, losing is a sin.
Exactly.Don't let one early-season loss get in the way of rationality. I use 2013's loss to South Carolina as example. Many games were on the line until the last couple of plays that year, "Cardiac Knights" they were called.
Many games came close to slipping away in 2017 under Frost. Memphis, USF, a few others came close.
He couldn't manage those same scenarios at Nebraska...had 4 years to right the ship also.
Frost did a lot of losing over 4 years, because of his offense specifically, even though he still recruited Florida....
Regarding UCF and WINNING:
What if Louisville runs the rest of the ACC or gets to the ACC Champ game? Syracuse wins 8-10 games also?
What if UCF adjusts JUST like Louisville and throttles FAU? (I still think this is probable)
What if what if what if...it's too early to have any rational comparison. Look at the rest of the field and who lost this weekend. Parity seems to be quite apparent now as well which will make these comparisons even more difficult.
I just don't want to see us end up as a loser in the B12 is all. After everything we've been through all these years to fight and scratch and claw from 1979 onwards....Don't let one early-season loss get in the way of rationality. I use 2013's loss to South Carolina as example. Many games were on the line until the last couple of plays that year, "Cardiac Knights" they were called.
Many games came close to slipping away in 2017 under Frost. Memphis, USF, a few others came close.
He couldn't manage those same scenarios at Nebraska...had 4 years to right the ship also.
Frost did a lot of losing over 4 years, because of his offense specifically, even though he still recruited Florida....
Regarding UCF and WINNING:
What if Louisville runs the rest of the ACC or gets to the ACC Champ game? Syracuse wins 8-10 games also?
What if UCF adjusts JUST like Louisville and throttles FAU? (I still think this is probable)
What if what if what if...it's too early to have any rational comparison. Look at the rest of the field and who lost this weekend. Parity seems to be quite apparent now as well which will make these comparisons even more difficult.
3 words will prevent UCF from being a Loser in the Big 12, and those 3 words arguably give UCF one of the biggest advantages in the Big12...and were largely WHY...UCF is in the Big 12.I just don't want to see us end up as a loser in the B12 is all. After everything we've been through all these years to fight and scratch and claw from 1979 onwards....
I've been "around" the program as a fan since the early 80's. I remember Darren Slack and the 1984 OJ Simpson fundraiser that helped the program from shutting down (Yes, the football program could have shut down in the mid-80's due to being over one million in debt).
Yep and Frost committed a lot of sins in Nebraska besides screwing us over when he quit on UCF.....he needs to go to a 2nd tier school for a stretch to prove he can win and has some integrityI just want to win, brother. I hate losing. To me, losing is a sin.
Frost also had some NCAA infractions in regards to being where he shouldn't be...Yep and Frost committed a lot of sins in Nebraska besides screwing us over when he quit on UCF.....he needs to go to a 2nd tier school for a stretch to prove he can win and win/has some integrity
I'd take Milton over Frost. TB100%H
Milton takes Frost over Heupel and Malzahn.
Exactly. People need to chill. Most people expected a couple of losses and this was likely to be one of them. I know it was disappointing because Louisville looked bad in both games, but people need to relax.Exactly.
The Louisville loss is just a bump in the road to the New Year's Six for Gus and Co. It takes Gus a game or two to figure everything out before he starts mauling people. So there was a minor hiccup. Big deal. Everyone keeps comparing JRP to Nick Marshall and that vaulted 2013 Auburn offensive juggernaut. Gus had an early loss to LSU before reeling off victory after victory en route to the national championship game. The Louisville setback only builds more confidence that an AAC title is a certainty.
UCF is right on track (ahead of schedule).
People were saying undefeated. A lot more were saying 1 loss and UL was not the one. I said game day threads and immediately after our first loss people were going to go crazy and want people fired and replaced. Here we are.Exactly. People need to chill. Most people expected a couple of losses and this was likely to be one of them. I know it was disappointing because Louisville looked bad in both games, but people need to relax.
That was supposed to be a joke. Apparently a bad one. But Oregon is one of the "origin" states for legalization for recreation when he was there.Whats the difference if he lived in Oregon? I never have and used to smoke. Weed is everywhere.
Everyone tries to be Nostradamus. Myself included. Why? It's fun and it's ok.People were saying undefeated. A lot more were saying 1 loss and UL was not the one. I said game day threads and immediately after our first loss people were going to go crazy and want people fired and replaced. Here we are.
It leads to unreal expectations. JRP went from savior to a RB that cant throw almost overnight. Gus isnt getting fired and JRP will get some more starts. Lets hope the passing game gets better.Everyone tries to be Nostradamus. Myself included. Why? It's fun and it's ok.
Eh, expectations are in the same boat as opinion. As long as people know to adjust them once learning new detail. That's fine.It leads to unreal expectations. JRP went from savior to a RB that cant throw almost overnight. Gus isnt getting fired and JRP will get some more starts. Lets hope the passing game gets better.
We got spoiled for 2 years when we didn't lose. KZ was a magician and just kept winning! So we UCF fans kept believing that we couldn't lose. Then when it happened, we didn't know how to behave.Eh, expectations are in the same boat as opinion. As long as people know to adjust them once learning new detail. That's fine.
Even if they don't, that's fine also...only their expectations and emotions they would have to check.
I guess being an alumni (c/o 2000) and a fan since Culpepper conditioned me for these things. I often find myself, one whole spends a LOT of time looking at math, rosters, injuries, etc...often talking others off a proverbial ledge.
I straight up got hate messages about one of the sims I did from someone on this board, won't say whom.... Those type of people are f*cking nutbars, and I question their sanity and ability to cope with real immediate life letdowns. Becoming more and more common as of late; people that treat college sports as some sort of gang affiliation.
We got spoiled for 2 years when we didn't lose. KZ was a magician and just kept winning! So we UCF fans kept believing that we couldn't lose. Then when it happened, we didn't know how to behave.
The problem has been discipline and player penalties. Last game being perfect example. Don't have to look far to determine impact.No. For me its not about losing. I can watch my team get beat. I watched the orange Buccaneers for years. It's about seeing your players not being put in a position to succeed.
You know what else I've been thinking about... Remember at the pep rally after the first fiesta bowl, GOL said that we were the least injured team in the AAC and recognised the strength and conditioning coach for it. We've had a lot of injuries the last couple years. Is it related or are these just fluke plays?
That was part of Josh Heupel's problem at the end: he lost control of the team when it came to discipline and many players were out of control.The problem has been discipline and player penalties. Last game being perfect example. Don't have to look far to determine impact.
University of Miami says hi .. they have the best location in the ACC and where had that gotten them... how many sea tugs has that netted them ... they haven't even sniffed a small center console...not one ship...3 words will prevent UCF from being a Loser in the Big 12, and those 3 words arguably give UCF one of the biggest advantages in the Big12...and were largely WHY...UCF is in the Big 12.
They are:
Location, location, Location.
Has UCF been a loser in the AAC? Nope. Not really. Arguably led to its top-to-bottom improvement.
CUSA? I don't see it. If anything helped improve it.
MAC? mebbe....who cares?
Before then? UCF was indy...
Forgetting the OCS part, very critical in comparison. I did too.University of Miami says hi .. they have the best location in the ACC and where had that gotten them... how many sea tugs has that netted them ... they haven't even sniffed a small center console...not one ship...
Has UCF been a loser in the ACC - umm we went winless in the ACC.
Look I want Malzhan to succeed but there is no question that Navy, SMU and the win at USF coupled with two losses against a mediocre loserville team are cause for concern.
Forgetting the OCS part, very critical in comparison. I did too.
I love KZ but have to ask, "was Nebraska lucky to have Frost?"
The Orange Bowl was off campus but a lot closer than the Dolphins Stadium. And it fit their identity as a Program.Interesting how they only figured out that the stadium was off campus in 2004 and started being bad because of it.
I just want to win, brother. I hate losing. To me, losing is a sin.
Exactly. People need to chill. Most people expected a couple of losses and this was likely to be one of them. I know it was disappointing because Louisville looked bad in both games, but people need to relax.
My opinion is it has more to do with other programs having built them, having an on campus gameday atmosphere which is compounding Miami's struggles to compete. That's why they are trying to build one somewhat close to campus in that park.Interesting how they only figured out that the stadium was off campus in 2004 and started being bad because of it.
You could ride metrorail from vampus to stadium in about 30 mins. It wasnt a bad setup at the OB. The community embraced them there but now it is almost an hour drive awayThe Orange Bowl was off campus but a lot closer than the Dolphins Stadium. And it fit their identity as a Program.
Riding a train for 30 minutes was the _good_ situation?You could ride metrorail from vampus to stadium in about 30 mins. It wasnt a bad setup at the OB. The community embraced them there but now it is almost an hour drive away