Counties that hosted a 2016 Trump rally saw a 226 percent increase in hate crimes

[ChrisKnight06]

So my questions are. Do you believe the data or do you think Jussie type cases are the norm and there's nothing to see here? Do you believe his rhetoric emboldens people?


We found that counties that had hosted a 2016 Trump campaign rally saw a 226 percent increase in reported hate crimes over comparable counties that did not host such a rally.

Of course, our analysis cannot be certain it was Trump’s campaign rally rhetoric that caused people to commit more hate crimes in the host county. However, suggestions that this effect can be explained through a plethora of faux hate crimes are at best unrealistic. In fact, this charge is frequently used as a political tool to dismiss concerns about hate crimes. Researchshows it is far more likely that hate crime statistics are considerably lower because of underreporting.

Additionally, it is hard to discount a “Trump effect” when a considerable number of these reported hate crimes reference Trump. According to the ADL’s 2016 data, these incidents included vandalism, intimidation and assault.

What’s more, according to the FBI’s Universal Crime report in 2017, reported hate crimes increased 17 percent over 2016. Recent research also shows that reading or hearing Trump’s statements of bias against particular groups makes people more likely to write offensive things about the groups he targets.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...rumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/

 

[NinjaKnight]

Shocked Pikachu.jpg

 

[Ucfmikes]

Classic deflection.

 

[Ucfmikes]

So my questions are. Do you believe the data or do you think Jussie type cases are the norm and there's nothing to see here? Do you believe his rhetoric emboldens people?


We found that counties that had hosted a 2016 Trump campaign rally saw a 226 percent increase in reported hate crimes over comparable counties that did not host such a rally.

Of course, our analysis cannot be certain it was Trump’s campaign rally rhetoric that caused people to commit more hate crimes in the host county. However, suggestions that this effect can be explained through a plethora of faux hate crimes are at best unrealistic. In fact, this charge is frequently used as a political tool to dismiss concerns about hate crimes. Researchshows it is far more likely that hate crime statistics are considerably lower because of underreporting.

Additionally, it is hard to discount a “Trump effect” when a considerable number of these reported hate crimes reference Trump. According to the ADL’s 2016 data, these incidents included vandalism, intimidation and assault.

What’s more, according to the FBI’s Universal Crime report in 2017, reported hate crimes increased 17 percent over 2016. Recent research also shows that reading or hearing Trump’s statements of bias against particular groups makes people more likely to write offensive things about the groups he targets.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...rumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/

I went to the rally in Kissimmee at the Silver Spurs Arena, but still haven’t had a trafffic infraction.

Doesn’t that count for anything? Nobody polled me?

 

[NinjaKnight]

I went to the rally in Kissimmee at the Silver Spurs Arena, but still haven’t had a trafffic infraction.

Doesn’t that count for anything? Nobody polled me?

Is this an honest answer? Do you have any idea how statistics work? Seriously, are you out of middle school yet?

 

[Ucfmikes]

Is this an honest answer? Do you have any idea how statistics work? Seriously, are you out of middle school yet?

I’m sorry. I’m not quite at high school Ninja level. My bad

I should have took advanced statistics over dissecting cadavers.

 

[NinjaKnight]

I’m sorry. I’m not quite at high school Ninja level. My bad

I should have took advanced statistics over dissecting cadavers.

Ok, thanks for confirming what we knew, you really are not an intelligent person.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Ok, thanks for confirming what we knew, you really are not an intelligent person.

Your hate of Trump voters is frying your brain
Makes no sense. You cannot be a productive member of society

 

[NinjaKnight]

Your hate of Trump voters is frying your brain
Makes no sense. You cannot be a productive member of society

This board is a comedy gold mine. You are a guy who doesn't understand middle school statistics and slings personal attacks in every post. Just pathetic.

 

[Ucfmikes]

This board is a comedy gold mine. You are a guy who doesn't understand middle school statistics and slings personal attacks in every post. Just pathetic.

The stats don’t involve me or anyone in my circle

You on the other hand are probably full of hate crime friends ninja

 

[NinjaKnight]

The stats don’t involve me or anyone in my circle

You on the other hand are probably full of hate crime friends ninja

Again, nothing but utter lies and personal attacks. You are the dictionary definition of a trump supporter. Thanks for proving Chris's point better than I ever could.

 

[Ucfmikes]

Again, nothing but utter lies and personal attacks. You are the dictionary definition of a trump supporter. Thanks for proving Chris's point better than I ever could.

You’re just butthurt and melting down over today’s news

 

[NinjaKnight]

So far you have called me:

"A Non productive member of society"

"Full of hate crimes"

"Butthurt"

But tell me how am I the one melting down?

It truly is too easy with you red hats.

 

[Husk in butt]

The board is literally shook today. I think the stats on violent crimes is like 80% Democrats. We need a kindness course for registered Democrats.

FYI we are up to 23 fake Trump hate crimes. 0 real as an interesting stat. The left tries to hold some groups down instead of lifting them up.

 

[NinjaKnight]

This is a pictorial representation of red hat logic currently on display in this thread.

 

[Husk in butt]

This is a pictorial representation of red hat logic currently on display in this thread.

Probably another Photoshopped job. The level of triggeredness is off the charts tonight.

 

[Ucfmikes]

So far you have called me:

"A Non productive member of society"

"Full of hate crimes"

"Butthurt"

But tell me how am I the one melting down?

It truly is too easy with you red hats.

Doubt I’m the one melting down with a complete victory. Meltdowns just don’t work that way

 

[Sir Galahad]

So my questions are. Do you believe the data or do you think Jussie type cases are the norm and there's nothing to see here? Do you believe his rhetoric emboldens people?


We found that counties that had hosted a 2016 Trump campaign rally saw a 226 percent increase in reported hate crimes over comparable counties that did not host such a rally.

Of course, our analysis cannot be certain it was Trump’s campaign rally rhetoric that caused people to commit more hate crimes in the host county. However, suggestions that this effect can be explained through a plethora of faux hate crimes are at best unrealistic. In fact, this charge is frequently used as a political tool to dismiss concerns about hate crimes. Researchshows it is far more likely that hate crime statistics are considerably lower because of underreporting.

Additionally, it is hard to discount a “Trump effect” when a considerable number of these reported hate crimes reference Trump. According to the ADL’s 2016 data, these incidents included vandalism, intimidation and assault.

What’s more, according to the FBI’s Universal Crime report in 2017, reported hate crimes increased 17 percent over 2016. Recent research also shows that reading or hearing Trump’s statements of bias against particular groups makes people more likely to write offensive things about the groups he targets.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...rumps-rhetoric-does-inspire-more-hate-crimes/

Without reading all the BS, is it reported hate crimes or convicted hate crimes?

 

[NinjaKnight]

Without reading all the BS, is it reported hate crimes or convicted hate crimes?

I understand reading is difficult for you guys, but the answer to your question is literally in the first goddamn sentence.

 

[goodknightfl]

Increase is likely caused by crazy dems who attack 16 year olds with red hats, if Trump was ever in the area.

 

[UCFWayne]

there are an awful lot of hate crime hoaxes associated with maga hats. im skeptical.

 

[Sir Galahad]

there are an awful lot of hate crime hoaxes associated with maga hats. im skeptical.

As you should be

 

[UCFBS]

This is what I think of statistics based on 'polls' today ...

• https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/08/27/640323347/the-school-shootings-that-werent

 

[ChrisKnight06]

So yall attribute it to fakes. Got it

 

[UCFKnight85]

So yall attribute it to fakes. Got it

I think what they're correctly saying is that the article is really an opinion piece that leaves too many questions unanswered, gives too little data, and does nothing to help the reader understand which of these are accusations and which are actual, confirmed, and convicted hate crimes?

And which involve members of Antifa bashing in the faces of Trump supporters attending a rally? Or do those even get classified as a hate crime?

 

[Husk in butt]

So yall attribute it to fakes. Got it

Yes. Trying to pin racism to Trump is the typical media narrative without reality. 23 fake Trump hate crimes in 2 years and 0 real ones.

 

[UCFWayne]

So yall attribute it to fakes. Got it

https://www.thecollegefix.com/here-...oaxes-the-college-fix-has-covered-since-2012/

Here are 50 campus hate-crime hoaxes The College Fix has covered since 2012

 

[ChrisKnight06]

Ok so here's the thing. I can personally only go by what I read and what the "climate" feels like. I personally have had no issues with red hats or whatever we want to call them nor have I had any dealings with black nationalists and the like. Things have been pretty status quo for me other than the obvious media shit.

So I just happen to see that article I posted. Yes, it talks about reported crime and not convictions so obviously taken with a grain of salt there but it's incredibly disturbing to dismiss summarily. Like fake news or not I can't help but see that there is some truth to this culture war idea and that of course there will be spill over.

OK then to 85s point, I'm sure it comes from both ends. It's clear in the digital age we insulate ourselves more and more in echo chambers and that leads to unrest when actually forced to face the other side in the real world. So I just looked up rise of hate groups to get a better idea of WHO.

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The most significant growth was in the number of white nationalist organizations, up from 100 in 2017 to 148 in 2018, said Beirich, who wrote the report. It marks a resurgence in the aftermath of the massive rally in 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia, that focused attention on the movement. "Much of the energy on the radical right this year was concentrated in the white supremacist milieu," the report says. "After a lull that followed the violence in Charlottesville, which brought criminal charges and civil suits that temporarily dampened the radical right's activism and organizing, newer groups gathered momentum."

Hate group count hits 20-year high amid rise in white supremacy, report says

OK so wtf is it? Is the FBI and the SPLC data wrong? Partly true? People hate the SPLC so what do I do with this... Just dismiss it? Well then WHERE CAN I GET THE TRUTH FROM?

This is getting really fuking dangerous when you have large groups of people just dismiss shit bc of "fake news" .

It's frustrating. Things feel different. You read articles that point to that feeling They're doubted by half the populace bc they don't want to be lumped in even though they're reasonable people. We get nowhere.

 

[UCFWayne]

Ok so here's the thing. I can personally only go by what I read and what the "climate" feels like. I personally have had no issues with red hats or whatever we want to call them nor have I had any dealings with black nationalists and the like. Things have been pretty status quo for me other than the obvious media shit.

So I just happen to see that article I posted. Yes, it talks about reported crime and not convictions so obviously taken with a grain of salt there but it's incredibly disturbing to dismiss summarily. Like fake news or not I can't help but see that there is some truth to this culture war idea and that of course there will be spill over.

OK then to 85s point, I'm sure it comes from both ends. It's clear in the digital age we insulate ourselves more and more in echo chambers and that leads to unrest when actually forced to face the other side in the real world. So I just looked up rise of hate groups to get a better idea of WHO.

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The most significant growth was in the number of white nationalist organizations, up from 100 in 2017 to 148 in 2018, said Beirich, who wrote the report. It marks a resurgence in the aftermath of the massive rally in 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia, that focused attention on the movement. "Much of the energy on the radical right this year was concentrated in the white supremacist milieu," the report says. "After a lull that followed the violence in Charlottesville, which brought criminal charges and civil suits that temporarily dampened the radical right's activism and organizing, newer groups gathered momentum."

Hate group count hits 20-year high amid rise in white supremacy, report says

OK so wtf is it? Is the FBI and the SPLC data wrong? Partly true? People hate the SPLC so what do I do with this... Just dismiss it? Well then WHERE CAN I GET THE TRUTH FROM?

This is getting really fuking dangerous when you have large groups of people just dismiss shit bc of "fake news" .

It's frustrating. Things feel different. You read articles that point to that feeling They're doubted by half the populace bc they don't want to be lumped in even though they're reasonable people. We get nowhere.

i would trust the fbi data. the splc is a joke, i would never take their word on anything.

if the fbi is saying there has been a rise in hate groups that is concerning.

 

[NinjaKnight]

i would trust the fbi data. the splc is a joke, i would never take their word on anything.

if the fbi is saying there has been a rise in hate groups that is concerning.

Exhibit A on the problem. You immediately throw out good information from a trustworthy source because you don’t like it. Yet you routinely quote literal fake news on here because it is what you want to hear.

Insane.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Ok so here's the thing. I can personally only go by what I read and what the "climate" feels like. I personally have had no issues with red hats or whatever we want to call them nor have I had any dealings with black nationalists and the like. Things have been pretty status quo for me other than the obvious media shit.

So I just happen to see that article I posted. Yes, it talks about reported crime and not convictions so obviously taken with a grain of salt there but it's incredibly disturbing to dismiss summarily. Like fake news or not I can't help but see that there is some truth to this culture war idea and that of course there will be spill over.

OK then to 85s point, I'm sure it comes from both ends. It's clear in the digital age we insulate ourselves more and more in echo chambers and that leads to unrest when actually forced to face the other side in the real world. So I just looked up rise of hate groups to get a better idea of WHO.

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The most significant growth was in the number of white nationalist organizations, up from 100 in 2017 to 148 in 2018, said Beirich, who wrote the report. It marks a resurgence in the aftermath of the massive rally in 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia, that focused attention on the movement. "Much of the energy on the radical right this year was concentrated in the white supremacist milieu," the report says. "After a lull that followed the violence in Charlottesville, which brought criminal charges and civil suits that temporarily dampened the radical right's activism and organizing, newer groups gathered momentum."

Hate group count hits 20-year high amid rise in white supremacy, report says

OK so wtf is it? Is the FBI and the SPLC data wrong? Partly true? People hate the SPLC so what do I do with this... Just dismiss it? Well then WHERE CAN I GET THE TRUTH FROM?

This is getting really fuking dangerous when you have large groups of people just dismiss shit bc of "fake news" .

It's frustrating. Things feel different. You read articles that point to that feeling They're doubted by half the populace bc they don't want to be lumped in even though they're reasonable people. We get nowhere.

Yes, the SPLC is often wrong and is largely a partisan organization cloaked as a "civil rights" organization. I say that since they have a history of labeling legitimate, non-racist conservative groups as "hate groups" or "white nationalist groups". They published an "extremist" file on Ben Frigging Carson. There are "hate groups" listed on there that have absolutely no business being listed. It's a sham organization run by partisans.

I'm linking this story. You can dismiss it outright if you want since it's National Review, but it's penned by David French who is a writer that has respect on both the left and the right and he lays out the issues with the SPLC pretty clearly.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019...y-law-center-is-in-a-state-of-moral-collapse/

This is not even to say that "hate crimes" are or aren't on the rise, since the FBI data says they are. All that I'm saying is that the SPLC is largely a putrid organization that has no real credibility when they label groups as "hate groups" that have no business being on there.

 

[sk8knight]

SPLC data is manipulated and wrong. Among other things, they list Christian groups with no ties to any adverse agents as “white nationalist” and “hate groups.” Started for a decent cause, the SPLC is now all about money and agenda. It’s crumbling over its lack of moral values for a reason.

In my experience, your experience of “red hatters” is a common one. So many of my friends who are LGBT and rail against “the bigoted right” acknowledge that all of their libertarian and conservative friends are good people who have never treated them poorly. The evil ones are the exception, not the rule. Same with the super crazy lefties, except that it’s skewing now because Democrats have made socialism a moral argument.

There’s a reason we’ve been screaming fake news for years; that feeling you have is that you’re waking up to it. The media is pushing an agenda and so is a large swath of career governmental bureaucrats. Even when they’re not, we’ve taught our kids to trust in the government more than anything else. So when the government does a shitty job, as they do in capturing voluntary firearms records with fuzzy questions and little direction, we end up making bad decisions about issues that need clarity and good data.

 

[ChrisKnight06]

No side is clean in this. Trump speaks with a certain rhetoric that resonates with a lot of people. That shit should be obvious or he wouldn't have been elected ... This is particularly true in certain swing states where their economies have been decimated over the years! Some people feel emboldened now that someone is looking out for them. The other side reacts on the opposite end and attempts to seize the "opportunity" . Why can't both of these things be true?

 

[ChrisKnight06]

What I'm most frustrated by is that nothing is truthful anymore yet soooo many people have so much conviction in their position .

 

[sk8knight]

What I'm most frustrated by is that nothing is truthful anymore yet soooo many people have so much conviction in their position .

I agree. We are all far more alike than we are different. Unfortunately, the popular mode right now is to play up our differences and use them to divide us. I’m hoping that will pass soon.

 

[UCFWayne]

What I'm most frustrated by is that nothing is truthful anymore yet soooo many people have so much conviction in their position .

what you are seeing a direct result of 8 years of obama. for 8 years he and the media demonized a large portion of the country. then trump came along and said im tired of being called names and decided to sling mud back the other direction. that obviously resonated with a lot of people and will continue to.

 

[sk8knight]

No side is clean in this. Trump speaks with a certain rhetoric that resonates with a lot of people. That shit should be obvious or he wouldn't have been elected ... This is particularly true in certain swing states where their economies have been decimated over the years! Some people feel emboldened now that someone is looking out for them. The other side reacts on the opposite end and attempts to seize the "opportunity" . Why can't both of these things be true?

This is true and it’s why he was elected. But you have to understand, Republicans have had 20+ years of feeling like their politicians always took the high road and their voices were not heard while democrats played dirty and got what they wanted. Trump came in playing the same game as the Democrats and he resonated. It’s understandable. It’s by no means ideal. It’s going to take the people to demand better of their politicians on both sides. What’s the chance of that happening?

 

[sk8knight]

what you are seeing a direct result of 8 years of obama. for 8 years he and the media demonized a large portion of the country. then trump came along and said im tired of being called names and decided to sling mud back the other direction. that obviously resonated with a lot of people and will continue to.

It started before that. A good part of the media demonized Reagan and then Bush 41. Republicans went after Clinton and made themselves a target. GWB was a caricature and that was the real escalation of activism and media in bed with each other. Then, when Obama largely got a pass in the media for 8 years to the point where a great number of people think he never lied ever and his administration was scandal-free, it broke some people.

 

[DaShuckster]

Yes. Trying to pin racism to Trump is the typical media narrative without reality.

Without reality? When Trump regularly spews racist garbage, we don’t need anyone in the media to ‘pin’ anything for us, it’s obvious for crying out loud.

And we expect our leaders to be influencers. That’s why we elect them. So it shouldn’t shock anybody that Trump’s hate is spreading like a red hat disease.

 

[UCFWayne]

It started before that. A good part of the media demonized Reagan and then Bush 41. Republicans went after Clinton and made themselves a target. GWB was a caricature and that was the real escalation of activism and media in bed with each other. Then, when Obama largely got a pass in the media for 8 years to the point where a great number of people think he never lied ever and his administration was scandal-free, it broke some people.

i agree it started back then, but the media really took a turn under gwb. then obama came along and really turned it up to 11.