Danny White on 96.9 this AM at 8:15
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I feel like calculating revenue numbers based on the last season and upcoming season, is akin to saying UCF hasn't lost a regular season game therefore there will be zero losses every season going forward. The average game revenue is two years removed from signaficantly lower numbers.
With season tickets soldout and a waitlist it’s more likely that prices go up than we go back to the revenue totals from 2015
That waitlist will go up in smoke if we start moving marquee home games to the Campground.
Won't go down to 2015 levels, but 2016 is not out of question. And I don't believe UCF is ready to beat the strongest group in Florida, the Fairweather fan that has destroyed virtually every major sport team in the state.
UCF couldn't even sell out most of the back half of an undefeated season in 2017
I think you are really overestimating the loyalty of our fanbase if we are not undefeated
The upcoming season is likely to be significantly higher than the 2018 season. Almost every year (maybe even every year) UCF has expanded premium seating options in the stadium. We are about to sell out every seat as a season ticket except the student and visitor sections. UCF isn't going back to 2014 revenue levels, and team performance would really have to be in the toilet for us to even drop back to 2017 levels.
Plus, as I mentioned, those numbers are ONLY from ticket and donation income from seats. Who knows how much money UCF gets from the couple hundred thousand dollars of concession sales each game. Oh, and you know all those ads around the stadium and on the scoreboard...Coca Cola, CentraCare, Jewitt Orthopaedic, Parking Spot, Florida Hospital, UPS, Carl Black, CFE Credit Union, etc? We don't exactly put those up for free.
A one off game at the citrus bowl or you mean 2 in Tuscaloosa and 1 at the citrus bowl? I don’t think UCF should play 3 games away from home with out at least one at Spectrum. Will be setting up for miserable home slates for years to come. At least USF gets them in their “home” stadium even if their fans will be outnumbered.
2 in Tuscaloosa and 1 at the Citrus Bowl. Alabama is the Brand of College Football this past Decade(Clemson 1A), they can make that demand. UCF could be Power 5 right now and they still could make that demand
I understand not wanting to do it with in State Programs like UF
Heres a link to their financials for 2017 season.
https://admfin.ucf.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/13/FY18-Financial-Statements-Stadium-Corp.pdf
Ticket sales $3,678,481
Premium seating $1,938,405
Naming rights $960,490
Commissions $511,987
Sponsorships $234,000
Approx $1.2 mil per game. 2018 I believe will be higher.
Why not just play 1 buy game at Alabama if you aren’t even getting a home game? Danny isn’t going to tie up 3 non conference scheduling spots without at least 1 at home. Unless you like playing 5 home games in a season or 2 FCS which USF will eventually have to do.
I'm just saying the Citrus Bowl should not be taken off the table as an option vs Programs like Alabama, Clemson, Notre Dame, & USC. No one is talking about 5 home dates, it's going to be 7 Home Dates at Spectrum most years with 'maybe' 1 CB-6 Spectrum games every 3 or 4 years...Taking that facility off the table obviously has hurt behind the scenes where DW won't even pick up the phone or vice versa..
You guys are acting like 1 game at the Citrus Bowl is fanbase apocalypse. Many upperclassmen and Young Alumni live Downtown along with the Downtown Campus coming soon.
It’s true. UCF fans drink a ton!
1. The Premium Seating listed in the report is only for Tower Suites.
2. The Ticket Sales number listed does not include the mandatory contribution required to purchase season tickets in most sections of the stadium.
No one ever said that UCF's NET profit was almost equal to FSU's.
There is a big difference between playing an OOC game at the Citrus Bowl and playing a Neutral Site game at the Citrus Bowl (or anywhere else). UCF is actually trying to schedule a neutral site game, and has received some interest from networks and venues. But no team has agreed to play UCF in a neutral site game.
It hasn’t been off the table. It had been treated as a neutral game. You don’t do 2 away for neutral.
You do a solo neutral as a KO game only to try to leverage TV and sponsor money. However, part of that payout is ticket guarantees like a bowl game. Are 30,000 fans going to shell out $150 for a single game on top of their season tickets? And only buy through UCF so UCF doesn’t lose money?
(KO games don’t just hand teams $4M+ and cross their fingers that fans fill the stadium. Strings.)
That is the best case. Say there is a magic scenario of 2 for neutral where it is not a KO type sponsored game but a shifted “home” venue. It would either be another separate purchase (likely lower price and maybe no guarantee) or UCF would have to dedicate one home game of revenue (or more maybe) to pay FCS to get some lesser # of tickets than 45,000 to distribute. How do you distribute to fans? No free students? No students at all? Lottery for seats? Priorty points? Only your # of seats? Someone on the 50 yd line at Spectrum ends up on the 10 or in the EZ to leave the sideline for FCS to sell so UCF fronts less $? Sounds like a mess and a good way to piss off your loyal fans.
For what? To please some talking heads that will never think you are good enough? C’mon. Even if you win the just say...”good win but they don’t play 8/9 P5 like the P5s”...at most 4. Still in the outside looking in. But now with pissed off fans....or worse disengaged & disinterested fans.
bc big time OOC games in the regular season are exciting for fans. You really think fans are going to be excited for FIU? Some of the best road trips in College Football are opportunities to go to places with real gameday atmospheres like Colombus, Tuscaloosa, or Austin . The AAC Conference games for the most part don't provide that. It's Memphis and occasionally Houston & that's it outside our rivalry with USF when it comes to the Regular Season. Ask any UCF fan that went to Ohio State Bortles first year starting and compare that to going to FIU. The current stance is essentially eliminating the chance of those type of experiences bc those deals are off the table.
Agreed, we are not doing a 2 for neutral site with anyone
Additionally, we probably don’t have to worry about being OK doing that with only Clemson or Alabama, because they aren’t doing that series with a “G5”’UCF anyway
I’m definitely Ok doing then occasional 1 and done for 1.5 million like at a Michigan or Ohio State like the old days. Might be an easier path
Unless we do a 1 and done, DW’s scheduling philosophy will eliminate our fun history of going to Penn State, UF, Wisconsin, Ohio State, Michigan, South Carolina, Texas, Missouri, etc. all of those in the past 15 years. Most much more recently
Not criticizing DW but, just something to think about
It would be offset by the FCS game, but would eliminate 7 home games.
Not criticizing DW but, just something to think about
It would be offset by the FCS game, but would eliminate 7 home games.
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Bottom Line you ask?
DW knows what he is doing.
F the Noise
JWB
CHARGE ON
DW knows what he is doing.
F the Noise
JWB
CHARGE ON
People are throwing out scenarios of 2-for-1s and neutral site games. The fact is, no one is offering those games, especially not anyone we'd be willing to make those deals with. They'd all rather just schedule Tulsa or USF and call it the same as UCF
S Carolina and Missouri were HOME & HOME games. Nothing preventing us from scheduling them again...except the fact that they don't seem to want to (or maybe our future available dates don't line up).
We have been playing one or more FIU type G4 teams every year for eternity. Not sure why it is all of a sudden a problem.
You nailed it. I doubt they want to anymore
Also, I think Spurrier may have been cool with it. Him and GOL were cordial as well
We have evolved but so have our fans. Some fans are coming off as a little unappreciative and (I really hate to say this about us..) delusional.
I agree with Knight Strength here. You have these newer fans that expect the world and haven't seen the struggle the program has gone through. It's not like we haven't paid our dues, just happens the dues have been paid recently and not 100 years ago like some of these fossil programs.
This isn't MTV, patience my young grasshoppers.
This isn't MTV, patience my young grasshoppers.
not liking the FIU series is not delusional, there are reasons to be against it for reasons other than them being CUSA.
that should be pretty clear in multiple threads
I have no problem with FAU, better stadium & infrastructure as the one South Florida CUSA opponent.
College football fans like their bluebloods, but they also like flashy, high-octane winners like the Oregon Ducks used to be. If UCF becomes a 'flash in the pan,' then I would agree with you, PK. But if Huepel can develop a consistent winner (10 or more wins a season), the fan base will grow and the program will continue to get stronger.
The truth is that there are fair-weather fans EVERYWHERE, not just Florida. It may feel more pronounced in the Sunshine State because the Big Three (UF, FSU, Miami) have been horribly up-and-down in recent years. One of the reasons why Nebraska is well-known for its fan base is because after Bob Devaney arrived in 1962, the program had 40 straight winning seasons. That's A LOT of fanbase building!
IMHO, the bar for UCF is not 'undefeated season or bust' but simply continuing to win on a consistent basis with a high-flying style of offense that garners some national attention.
I agree FIU is boring. Not saying people who don't want to play FIU are delusional and definitely not talking about you.
I'd say fans who want to accept 2for1s but also want us to be treated like a top 25 program by other programs and the media are delusional.
Why not keep UConn on the schedule? They need games badly, probably more than we do.
I know the Mikesicans spent at least $1M on beer last year.
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