no talking about if they had a future spike. which hopefully no other State does , we are all tired of this shit
Desantis is walking a fine line here
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i mean absolutely illinois would re-impose a mask mandate. I'd expect the city of Chicago to be there this or next week. Illinois is a tougher beast because outside of Chicagoland the state is very conservative. The Governor recently asked all schools to impose mask mandates.
However, again we literally just had the largest population study of mask efficacy play out in front of our eyes. Liberal states that were staunchly pro mask, did not fair any better than Republican run states who were more "anti mask" .
Sure if every kid wore p95 masks for 7 hours could we curb SOME covid spread, maybe. We all know most, if not all kids, will wear simple cloth masks and probably have about a 50% adherence to said mandate. So it's literally a waste of time.
And then EVEN if they got COVID, kids under 18 have a less than 1% hospitalization rate and a less than .01% fatality rate. It's literally near zero.
But if you want your kids to wear a mask, wear a mask.
What's Cuomo, Whitmer, Murphy, and Pritzker's cool nicknames? Since they lead the league in deaths per capita
The Republican Party has created a monster it can no longer control. I saw Gov. Abbot talking to some group out in Texas. When he talked about how our best defense was getting as many people vaccinated as possible, he got BOOED. This is the base DeSantis is placating. Nothing good comes from this.
Desantis also got a lot of pushback online when he praised Biden for his response to the condo collapse. Imagine getting mad at someone for accepting help during a tragic situation like that. It is insanity. They have created a no win situation for themselves by placating to the crazies in society for so many years.
why do you care what crazy people think? just let them be crazy. FWIW there are a lot of crazies on both sides of the aisle
you only care cuz the media is now amplifying these losers to create more divide. Been happening. There were just as many crazies before, but now they are getting promoted bu the media to show how CRAZY the radical right or left are
That's just now how human psychology works. I'm experiencing it first hand. Local neighbors this morning defaulted to "no mask" because they don't want their kids to be oddballs, but they have zero problem with masks. They just aren't experts.
I look at this way. A shitty gameplan that everyone buys into will always perform better than a bunch of individuals making individual decisions. Imagine an offensive line where the coach says "go home. Do your own research on blocking, and everybody do what you think is best for you." That's insanity right?
A school can't mitigate an infectious disease by expecting everyone to make the right individual choices. You need to have experts create a plan, explain the plan, and get people to buy in. This isn't rocket science (which also requires teamwork).
Yeah but one side elects their crazy into office, MTG, Boebert, etc and one side plays to the crazies in their party. You cant just ignore them when they are winning elections, and politicians are playing to them.
so you basically think most humans are incapable of original thought and functioning daily?
you literally think we need a law that says, "everyone must breathe" in order for people to take breathes?
I'm simply saying if the community is in favor of masking and think it is beneficial, then those same people should be pro mask. If that is the case, I do not see why they would not mask their children.
To clarify a point, DeSantis has been advocating for the vaccines since the beginning of the pandemic. He even took heat from the media for sucking up too much of the vaccine for Florida's seniors. Lately DeSantis has said that people that are vaccinated should not be hiding and should rather be out living life as if COVID was any other respiratory virus since the vaccine nearly eliminates severe effects.
dude you're soo funny if you don't think there are democrats who play to their crazy bases like AOC, Bernie and the congresswoman in MN who wants to eradicate the police. Come on man.
remember when the media was BBQing "deathsantis" for striking deals to get the elderly vaccinated more efficiently by going to their communities that they lived in. Ahhh, the good ole days of mr anti vax deathsantis.
60 minutes literally did a hit piece on it that they had to immediately retract.
Do people have goldfish memory in here?
Likewise, the Squad, Bernie, Maxine Waters, Whitehouse, and on and on. You're blinded by your partisanship.
There are crazies on both ends. Always have always will be. Part of why our system works is because the crazy fringes were limited in their influence. The R party has now fully embraced what we have called "crazy" just a few years ago.
got it, only the right. Ok. LOL
Biden is taking heat from lefties all the time for not erasing the student debt, not being more "progressive", etc.
Do you guys live in the same country I do?
BS. You are talking about people who have different views than you, I am talking about people who believe Qanon is real, harass mass shooting survivors on the street, tell crowds in Alabama to use their 2nd amendment rights against pro vax people, gave an after hours tour of the capitol to groups prior to 1/6, etc etc. These arent the same thing.
so Antifa riots aren't the same? I'm super confused, now.
If we cannot agree that there are crazies on both sides and politicians equally placate their bases then we cannot have a normal convo. Regardless of what you think of Ron.
wasn't that when the people of Star Island got the vaccine before the 75+ seniors?
Are antifa members elected to congress and winning elections? No, they arent. Is Biden's agenda based around what anfifa wants? No it isnt. This is the difference. The crazies in the Republican party are more or less running the party now.
ok cool, so we can't have a conversation. You have a senator who's actively praised a mass murderer and thinks Cuba is a fine government with great education and hospitals. You literally cannot be serious
Are you dense or what? That one day sample is from yesterday aka now (until we get Today's number tomorrow).
BTW, Florida is breaking records every day in deaths, hospitalizations and new cases
By that logic, there's no need for building codes. Each individual can do their own research and instruct their builder accordingly. Individual freedom right?
No. People want to select their tile and paint colors. They don't want to be experts on construction. Parents don't want to be experts on masking. They want to color coordinate and find ones that are comfortable.
I'm a realist. If masks are beneficial then you mandate them. If they aren't, then you don't. Let experts establish that. Not parent's at home reading meme's on facebook.
I honestly do not know the merits of this. Feel free to provide the sources.
However, he's not the first and won't be the last politician that placates to the wealthy. Again, it happens on both sides, routinely.
I dont even know who you are talking about, but Cuba does have good healthcare and and their education system is on par with the US. Obviously, there is a lot wrong in Cuba as well but you picked out two things they actually do pretty well with.
and yet like i said, we just lived through the largest scientific study of mask efficacy in the US. We have a year long study. Masks are literally a wash. If they worked as well as people thought the states that mandated them and heavily enforced it woulda been way better off than the anti-vaxxers, yet they weren't.
If we were gonna mandate N95 masks to every person, then maybe you have an argument. However, we won't.
To your analogy on building code, the mask mandate would be like having a some shitty building code, just to have one. However, the code itself not actually protecting people. Some people would say, "at least we have one". If you prefer to have something in place of nothing, got it, not gonna convince you otherwise.
There are crazies in both parties (Taylor Green, Rand Paul, Ocasio-Cortez, etc). We only need 51 to want to help the country, the others are there for comedy (unless 50 don't want to work so the other 50 have to keep the crazies happy)
so far gone.
Cuba sounds like paradise except they literally cannot handle a few hundred cases of COVID, but their healthcare is great. So good, people risk their lives daily to flee that shithole. People like my parents fled that place. Now, 60 years later to see some old ass white person convincing young people that Cuba has any professions of merit is an atrocity on us and our educational system.
agreed. Don't focus on the crazies, they are just there for the govt salary and to placate their bases.
btw i forgot to answer your first question.
I'm talking about bernie sanders defending mass murders Fidel and Raul Castro.
Bernie Sanders defends comments on Cuban Revolution
“You know, the truth is the truth,” he says during a CNN town hall.
www.politico.com
btw i forgot to answer your first question.
I'm talking about bernie sanders defending mass murders Fidel and Raul Castro.
Bernie Sanders defends comments on Cuban Revolution
“You know, the truth is the truth,” he says during a CNN town hall.
He is defending certain things they did, he wasnt defending them outright. And yes, Cuba's healthcare system can certainly be argued to be better than what we have in the US.
got it, anything we should defend about the Nazi movement in Germany?
I'm here if we want to have that discussion, while we're defending governments of mass murderers.
China? how they doing? let's talk about all of Ping's great successes
You are all over the place. We were talking about Cuba, and now you are talking about Nazi Germany. How is China doing? I dont know, ask all the American's that complain about them while buying all their products and supporting their system.
You, again, are buying into some myths passed by the Cuban government that are driven to make socialism more palatable to the US. Do just the minimum of research into the truths behind their education and healthcare claims and you'll find that they don't stand up to any amount of verification.
Cubs in what world, think for one second, would you ever defend a communist dictator who has murdered 10s of thousands of his own people.
Do you not think for one second that the person who controlled EVERYTHING coming into and out of that island also lied about things? Like for one second you don't think that's feasible?
FIdel was a smart mofo. He was great at PR. The only reason the "healthcare is good in cuba" spin took off was because of idiots like Bernie (who have never actually gotten care in Cuba) began to repeat the crap Fidel said.
Just think critically for one minute, or ask any Cuban american (don't take my word for it) that lived in Cuba.
agreed, but can't let people say stupid shit about Cuba. As a cuban american and as someone who's parents were forced to flee their homeland I cannot let that crap slide. Also, as someone who knows many cubans who lived into their teens on that island (in the 80s and 90s) i can hopefully explain to someone not to utter stupid crap.
I am from Colombia and people go to Cuba for complex treatments. I also have some friends from Cuba with their whole family over there and they say it isn't bad. They actually say that there is a mafia in Miami that spreads misinformation to keep the status quo with Cuba to protect their business
you are right, the healthcare and education is so good there that people just throw themselves in dingys and try to cross the atlantic. Very normal behavior for people who have their common human needs fulfilled like education and medicine.
it's pointless to get into the "i know this many people here and there". I can just tell you if it's so good there why are people risking their lives? why are so many people coming to Miami/America for better life? Again, just think about it.
Also, if you'd like to ignore all the people the cuban government has murdered, enslaved wrongly with no free trial, and dehumanized, go for it. "at least people in colombia go to cuba for surgeries".
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