Mask don't do crap, they are simply a security blanket. hell hide behind a chain link fence to keep mosquitoes away.
Desantis is walking a fine line here
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From what I've read, there are 3 tiers of medical system in Cuba. The first and best is for medical tourists like your Colombians. The second is for the elites (government officials, celebrities, etc... you know, the kind of people that might say that the murderous regime is great and the exiles in Miami are the real problem), and then a third for all the common people. That third tier is horrendous.
"Then there is the real Cuban system, the one that ordinary people must use — and it is wretched. Testimony and documentation on the subject are vast. Hospitals and clinics are crumbling. Conditions are so unsanitary, patients may be better off at home, whatever home is. If they do have to go to the hospital, they must bring their own bedsheets, soap, towels, food, light bulbs — even toilet paper. And basic medications are scarce. In Sicko, even sophisticated medications are plentiful and cheap. In the real Cuba, finding an aspirin can be a chore. And an antibiotic will fetch a fortune on the black market."
The Myth of Cuban Health Care | National Review
Michael Moore has made another piece of pure propaganda. This film, called Sicko, attacks the American health-care system. You will agree that there is a lot to attack. But Moore glorifies socialis…
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The truth about Cuba’s health care system
When Fidel Castro died last week many on the political left embarrassed themselves by praising the despot. A prime example is Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau who was excoriated for saying that Castro was a “legendary revolutionary and orator” who made “significant improvements” to the healthc
No, Fidel Castro Didn't Improve Health Care or Education in Cuba | Hans Bader
In a recent "60 Minutes" interview, Sen. Bernie Sanders doubled down on his comments praising Fidel Castro's achievements in communist Cuba. Unbeknownst to Sanders, Cuba actually failed miserably in the areas he praised.
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Let's also not forget that Cuba holds the world's longest incarcerated political prisoners and regularly imprisons the Cuban families of people in the US who speak out against the regime.
thank you. Normalizing any sort of "benefit" that comes from that piece of crap government is to excuse their crap behaviors. The sad part is, those benefits aren't even factual, they are just great PR spun by a smart man who made it his life's mission to oppress his people and to crap on the US. I bet that ass is smiling from hell, seeing the fact that you have American elected politicians praising things he did.From what I've read, there are 3 tiers of medical system in Cuba. The first and best is for medical tourists like your Colombians. The second is for the elites (government officials, celebrities, etc... you know, the kind of people that might say that the murderous regime is great and the exiles in Miami are the real problem), and then a third for all the common people. That third tier is horrendous.
"Then there is the real Cuban system, the one that ordinary people must use — and it is wretched. Testimony and documentation on the subject are vast. Hospitals and clinics are crumbling. Conditions are so unsanitary, patients may be better off at home, whatever home is. If they do have to go to the hospital, they must bring their own bedsheets, soap, towels, food, light bulbs — even toilet paper. And basic medications are scarce. In Sicko, even sophisticated medications are plentiful and cheap. In the real Cuba, finding an aspirin can be a chore. And an antibiotic will fetch a fortune on the black market."
The Myth of Cuban Health Care | National Review
Michael Moore has made another piece of pure propaganda. This film, called Sicko, attacks the American health-care system. You will agree that there is a lot to attack. But Moore glorifies socialis…The truth about Cuba’s health care system
When Fidel Castro died last week many on the political left embarrassed themselves by praising the despot. A prime example is Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau who was excoriated for saying that Castro was a “legendary revolutionary and orator” who made “significant improvements” to the healthcblog.acton.org
No, Fidel Castro Didn't Improve Health Care or Education in Cuba | Hans Bader
In a recent "60 Minutes" interview, Sen. Bernie Sanders doubled down on his comments praising Fidel Castro's achievements in communist Cuba. Unbeknownst to Sanders, Cuba actually failed miserably in the areas he praised.fee.org
Let's also not forget that Cuba holds the world's longest incarcerated political prisoners and regularly imprisons the Cuban families of people in the US who speak out against the regime.
When you read about the UNESCO education survey results and what the Castro regime claimed that got them to #1, the results are so good as to be unbelievable and almost certainly unachievable. They claimed to have eliminated the socioeconomic education gap which is just the first of the unlikely claims. After all that and winning the rankings for years like we haven't seen since Lance Armstrong dominated the Tour de France, there started to be some pushback on the credibility of the numbers. So while being in first place and having touted at every opportunity, Cuba pulled out of the rankings and never returned. Quit while they were ahead.
I'd to see what analysis you're referring to that shows masks don't provide efficacy.
I don't think people appreciate how substantial even a 10% reduction in transmission is. By the 7th generation of doubling, that 10% reduction in transmission would reduce the new case load by roughly half. So even if individual effects are minor - where you might even say it doesn't justify the annoyance of a mask - the aggregate impact can be substantial.
I'm with you that wearing a mask in Publix is mostly pointless. But smaller spaces where you share air with the same people for hours is completely different. I'm OK with parents opting their kids out, but the default position should align with the guidelines especially when local conditions are through the roof.
Here in Brevard - all elective surgeries are postponed. Over half the beds at the hospital closest to my house are COVID inpatients. There is no pediatric wing at Holmes Regional right now. If your kid needs to be admitted they'll be sent to Orlando.
Life needs to continue as normal. We don't need shutdowns. But it's irrational to be facing your worst local COVID outbreak - have an entire under 12 population susceptible that can't get vaccinated - and be prevented by the Governor from implementing policies that align with the CDC. I'm sorry - that's bananas. That's not civilized government. That's inmates running the asylum level stuff.
the hospitalization rate for minors is under 1%, including w/ Delta.
1 in 100 kids, who get covid, require hospitalization.
IMO the dangerous thinking is this, "even if we can just reduce transmission by 10%". To me thats a faulty logic ladder that will then always place the minor risks in front of the personal freedoms or rewards. Why not reduce the speed limits to 15mph, we'd i'm sure reduce car accidents by more than 10%? At some point, someone needs to weigh the risks and rewards and make a decision, IMO i prefer, whenever possible, that decision be a personal decision.
Yeah, all those surgeons and nurse attendants who wear masks during surgical procedures are SO stupid.*
Every once in awhile. They also participate in aerosol transmission through normal respiration.
From what I've read, there are 3 tiers of medical system in Cuba. The first and best is for medical tourists like your Colombians. The second is for the elites (government officials, celebrities, etc... you know, the kind of people that might say that the murderous regime is great and the exiles in Miami are the real problem), and then a third for all the common people. That third tier is horrendous.
"Then there is the real Cuban system, the one that ordinary people must use — and it is wretched. Testimony and documentation on the subject are vast. Hospitals and clinics are crumbling. Conditions are so unsanitary, patients may be better off at home, whatever home is. If they do have to go to the hospital, they must bring their own bedsheets, soap, towels, food, light bulbs — even toilet paper. And basic medications are scarce. In Sicko, even sophisticated medications are plentiful and cheap. In the real Cuba, finding an aspirin can be a chore. And an antibiotic will fetch a fortune on the black market."
The Myth of Cuban Health Care | National Review
Michael Moore has made another piece of pure propaganda. This film, called Sicko, attacks the American health-care system. You will agree that there is a lot to attack. But Moore glorifies socialis…The truth about Cuba’s health care system
When Fidel Castro died last week many on the political left embarrassed themselves by praising the despot. A prime example is Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau who was excoriated for saying that Castro was a “legendary revolutionary and orator” who made “significant improvements” to the healthcNo, Fidel Castro Didn't Improve Health Care or Education in Cuba | Hans Bader
In a recent "60 Minutes" interview, Sen. Bernie Sanders doubled down on his comments praising Fidel Castro's achievements in communist Cuba. Unbeknownst to Sanders, Cuba actually failed miserably in the areas he praised.fee.org
Let's also not forget that Cuba holds the world's longest incarcerated political prisoners and regularly imprisons the Cuban families of people in the US who speak out against the regime.
YOu can certainly argue we have tiered healthcare here too. Many people arent able to meet their basic medical needs due to price, which is essentially a tiered system. And we have more people incarcerated per capita than any country in the world and the last Republican candidate ran his whole campaign on imprisoning political opponents. He didnt do it, but he was able to win an election in part by convincing people he would.
I'm not saying that we're the model to use. Just saying that Cuba's system isn't anywhere near what you've claimed.
Edit: Also, Hillary committed actual crimes that were only not prosecuted because Comey went all partisan and justified it by citing an intent element of her crimes that didn't exist. That is far different than imprisoning someone for speaking out against your regime.
Right but you have to consider the disruption to education. Per DeSantis own DOE guidelines, COVID exposures in schools still requires quarantines and all that crap. So an outbreak at school is disruptive. It's kid's missing a week a week of school - if they get infected they're going to miss longer.
And that outbreak is going to go home to their parents. To their siblings. Who take it to their classroom and spread further. All while HealthFirst is running meal trains to floors because staff don't have time to take food breaks.
Six weeks ago I was FINE with no masks mandates in school. Local transmission was fine and hospitals were fine. That's not the case today. Taking the authority away from School Boards to mitigate and adapt to local needs is dumb.
Agreed on education disruption. To be honest, it's a great point, that I had not factored in. I think with or without masks you're gonna get transmission of COVID. Biggest reason is, a) wrong type mask b) improper use of mask. Again, mandating the mask is just simply putting a bandaid over a 6in wound. Does it help a little, sure, not gonna argue that, but it's no actually fixing the problem.
Re: The going home to the parents issue. Why aren't the parents vaxxed? Tired of playing the, let's protect everyone game. A Vaccine is generally available and free. If you are worried take the shot. If you are under 12, your chance of serious illness from COVID is miniscule.
Again, I think I said this way at the beginning my honest opinion is that it is stupid Ron is writing a law to outlaw a mandate. It's like preemptively outlawing something before it even happens. However we are only at this point because a lot of people have gotten sick and tired of the government overreach (at all levels).
COVID spikes are gonna come and go for the foreseeable future.
yeah he created a war with a group that has been very reasonable. most of these school boards said they will reevaluate in 2-4 weeks based on the numbers in their county
You may be tired of this "protect everyone game" but there are societal consequences of this stupidity that go far beyond all the poor dumb morons directly involved.
When hospitals are maxed with stupid Chud Covid patients, it means that normal vaccinated people who need a hospital bed for all the usual surgeries and ailments that occur in life are put on hold.
Yea it's completely absurd. I think one can argue that an arbitrary mask mandate with no criteria to control when you relax it is bad policy at this point. To that end, if DeSantis passed something that said "mask mandates are not permissible except in high transmission areas" and used CDC criteria, that would have been reasonable. But this is just political theatre.
The same logic applies to the masks and the fence: it depends how good your mask/fence is. If you use a chain link fence, the mosquitoes go through; if you have a mosquito net, you are good to go
The Cubans should have fixed their problem a long time ago and not wait for the US to "liberate" them. Same for Venezuelans, I don't know what they are waiting for
I just read that some guy was released from Gitmo 4 years after it was determined he wasn't a danger to the US but nobody wanted to make the call. Want to bet that the guy never posed a danger to the US and 4 years ago they couldn't find any more if or buts to keep him incarcerated?
He can use Abbot's rules: parents don't have to tell the school if their kid is infected or has been in contact with infected people. They also decide if the kid is sick enough to stay home or go to school
WTF does your response have to do with anything that I said?
But, since you brought up Venezuela, Chavez ran on a platform of returning power to the people and democratic socialism and won 58% of the vote. The country that should be rich because of all of its natural resources is not because people bought a lie crafted by some of the same political strategists that now work for the Democratic Party here in America.
at least cases are down a little bit …baby steps , hopefully hospitalizations follow in a week or 2
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Administrators, in total, have long cost more than educators in K-12, and are now 2x educators in higher Ed (college).
They are more politicians than teachers, and it is getting old how much they do pull for political, not scientific, reasons.
If I was DeSantis, I'd further clarify no teachers salaries will be touched, only non-educators in administration.
Those are N95 or better mask, Not the stuff people are buying and wearing. The difference is cloth is hiding behind chain link to escape mosquitos and N95 is getting behind a screen. One helps , the other is a waste of time.
N95 does not filter out sub-micron SARS-CoV-2 aerosols, only droplets, let alone N isn't for oils, just dry particulates.
That's also why P-series is required, which filters out biological (and chemical) oils, ideally P99 or P100 given the size of CoV virons. Understand P99+ is very constraining (I know for the past 19 months).
This has been all over the medical community for the past year plus, once the NIH and Dr. Fauci even stated that N95 doesn't stop aerosols, when it was shown even aerosol SARS-CoV-2 is causing the spread, not just droplets.
Sure, N95 helps, but it doesn't filter. Masks are really only about reducing distance, not filtering... unless P99+.
Surgeons wear N95 largely to prevent their own transmission to the patient.
P100 ventilators are used in low rated biological facilities for Contagion research, and complete suits in higher rated facilities because even P100 isn't good enough.
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This is no different than a year ago when people weren't socially distancing or wearing masks. History repeats itself.
The sad thing is that misinformation from all sides caused this. If we would have just kept our freedoms, but respected one another, instead of arguing, we'd be at far less spread and death.
When you say a P-series is required, what you're saying is a P-series is required to effectively stop 100% of viral particles from getting inhaled by the wearer - correct? That's great for giving near 100% protection to an individual, but if the objective is merely to reduce transmission rates, you don't need to be anywhere near that effective.
We know infection is some function of time and level of exposure - right? So crudely speaking, even if a cloth mask is only reducing 10% of exhaled/inhaled viral particles, that would lengthen exposure time by 10%, or reduce the % of contacts that transmit by 10%, etc.
I've seen multiple studies concluding that even crappy cloth masks catch some fraction of aerosols. I've generally seen ranges from 15% to 85%. The smaller the particle, the fewer that get caught for sure. But those larger aerosols are still aerosols and they carry more viral particles.
So the question here isn't about how to give yourself 100% protection. The question is if 20 people are sharing the same indoor air for hours, does crappy masking reduce the concentration of exhaled aerosols in the room? If it does, will a reduced concentration of viral particles reduce the likelihood of infection in a measurable way?
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