Its telling that you equate high levels of college education with teaching 5 year olds about sexual orientation and whether or not they should identify as another gender.
Dont Say Gay bill in Florida
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Its telling that you equate high levels of college education with teaching 5 year olds about sexual orientation and whether or not they should identify as another gender.
Give me a break, you guys fall for these GOP scare tactics all the time. Their policies suck so they have to make sure that enough people are scared of liberals to keep voting for them, that is all this is. But it also isnt just about this bill. I am not equating high levels of education with dont say gay, I am equating it to the other BS going on (which you can put this under the overall umbrella). They are literally trying to change the way public education even exists in this country. It isnt a coincidence that teachers and schools have become public enemy # 1, right at the same time that Hillsdale College and others are trying to expand charters throughout the country. Hillsdale college has a 1776 curriculum that says that black folks were the 'bad guys" during civil rights sit in, teaches that MLK wasnt in favor of using the law for civil rights, etc etc. IN Texas they tried to write legislation that would have prevented teachers from teaching about MLK or the KKK, etc etc. A Jewish Republican state REP from Texas (I think Texas, could be another state), had to give a passionate plea for their state to not sign a bill that teaches both sides of the holocaust. All of this is political, all of it. And yes, kids that end up being educated under these curriculums, arent going to be educated students.
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If school districts didn't make it a legal issue, then no bill/law would be written. Seriously.
This was caused by 2 lawsuits because the school district ****ed with the parent-teacher relationship that was working and fruitful. Why? Ask the school districts.
Do you have a link?
Whats also political is the partisan bullshit that public school teachers think they can drag into the classroom and force feed to their students.
Count me in on “we need to radically change public schooling in this nation”. We spend amongst the highest dollars per pupil in the developed world and yet our end results don’t reflect that. Maybe the teachers’ unions and their DNC buds telling parents to sit down and shut up isn’t merited after all?
I hear this argument on the progressive news channels, but it leaves me to question... If these bills are in fact useless and make no actual impact, then why does the left put forth so much effort to resist? ...that gives it more attention than it deserves, no?
Same thing with "CRT": the same progressives say there is no such thing being taught, then fight like hell to stop a bill prohibiting CRT.
Which one is it?
Because it creates witch hunts. IF a teacher is doing something inappropriate, you handle it with that teacher, you dont change the entire system. And yes, there are obviously teachers here and there that do inappropriate things, whether they be illegal things, or just maybe teaching something that isnt inappropriate, or whatever. But, it certainly isnt most teachers. But, we are creating an environment where teachers are going to be scared to teach, answer certain questions, or get into deeper discussions on things, because they are afraid they will get in trouble. That isnt going to provide for a quality education. Asking questions and having discussions is an important part of education, certainly the older a child gets.
The issue with CRT is that you are going to have people claim things are CRT, when in fact they arent. You are seeing books about Ruby Bridges removed from school libraries, the book Maus was removed from a Tennessee school, etc etc, because people think it makes white people look bad and creates some type of division. I went to public schools, I never felt that I was a bad person when we learned about slavery or civil rights, and none of my black classmates ever thought I was either.
Here is an example from Texas. Frederick Douglass and MLK now wont be taught, because, why? And, it is pretty short sighted to think that erasing historical black figures from our schools will somehow unite us.
And just as an aside, Ruby Bridges had to live through harassment, threats, etc as a young child, just to go to school, but kids today are too fragile to learn about her? So which side are the snowflakes here?
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^^^ This is absolutely why, as Bill Maher continually points out, the Democratic Party is losing not only Independents, but registered Democrats who are parents ... full stop!
Both parties have horrendous platforms, agreed! But ...
But that still doesn't remove the fact that, when parents do have to deal with this, and hear from other parents who have, they realize ... yes, Democrats are more interest in serving the 'Group Rights' special interest than the individual student, teacher and their parents!
I posted them many, many weeks ago, when this ****ing bullshit narrative started!
Here's the main one, where the parents contacted a teacher, and then the school district cut them completely out!
Lawsuit against Leon Schools says district excluded parents from gender discussions
The lawsuit, filed by The Child & Parental Rights Campaign in federal court last month, asks for the district to change its LGBTQ guide to adhere to Florida's Parents' Bill of Rights.
www.tallahassee.com
"The fact that the parents were affirmatively communicating with the school, the fact that the school would take the situation and then cut them out and meet secretly with this child without the parents involved makes it worse when it was the parents who brought it to their attention in the first place."
Yes, this really happened!
The parents contacted the teacher because their child wanted to identify as a different name (and classification), the teacher was very helpful, but then ... yeah, it went well beyond that! When the school distric should have done is engaged the parents, not cut them completely out! Of course the student came home and told his parents what they school district did, what they didn't want the student to tell the student's own parents, and ... well ... the rest is all there.
The school district used the 'outing a student' policy against parents who ****ing contacted the school, and a teacher they trusted, to tell them! What the ****?!
It's amazing how far this went, and continued to go, until the parents finally sued! These are not 'right-wing' parents, far from it! Loving, open minded parents, demonized by uncaring ****ers and political bullshit ... this is everything wrong with the state! They yanked their kid from public school for a reason after this!
^^^ This is absolutely why, as Bill Maher continually points out, the Democratic Party is losing not only Independents, but registered Democrats who are parents ... full stop!
Both parties have horrendous platforms, agreed! But ...
But that still doesn't remove the fact that, when parents do have to deal with this, and hear from other parents who have, they realize ... yes, Democrats are more interest in serving the 'Group Rights' special interest than the individual student, teacher and their parents!
I posted them many, many weeks ago, when this ****ing bullshit narrative started!
Here's the main one, where the parents contacted a teacher, and then the school district cut them completely out!
Lawsuit against Leon Schools says district excluded parents from gender discussions
The lawsuit, filed by The Child & Parental Rights Campaign in federal court last month, asks for the district to change its LGBTQ guide to adhere to Florida's Parents' Bill of Rights.www.tallahassee.com
"The fact that the parents were affirmatively communicating with the school, the fact that the school would take the situation and then cut them out and meet secretly with this child without the parents involved makes it worse when it was the parents who brought it to their attention in the first place."
Yes, this really happened!
The parents contacted the teacher because their child wanted to identify as a different name (and classification), the teacher was very helpful, but then ... yeah, it went well beyond that! When the school distric should have done is engaged the parents, not cut them completely out! Of course the student came home and told his parents what they school district did, what they didn't want the student to tell the student's own parents, and ... well ... the rest is all there.
The school district used the 'outing a student' policy against parents who ****ing contacted the school, and a teacher they trusted, to tell them! What the ****?!
It's amazing how far this went, and continued to go, until the parents finally sued! These are not 'right-wing' parents, far from it! Loving, open minded parents, demonized by uncaring ****ers and political bullshit ... this is everything wrong with the state! They yanked their kid from public school for a reason after this!
I guarantee you Bill Maher would agree with me that Republicans use scare tactics, they have done it since at least the Bush era with regards to these social issues.
As far as the lawsuit, that is one teacher and one child, and the teacher was referring to what the child wanted, which ok maybe they should have told the parents, but it also isnt some super absurd action, they were honoring the kids request. It also seems to be more of a misunderstanding, since the school is saying the parents did give permission to talk to the child if the child was leading the discussion.
THere are also other things to consider. Often times, kids dont have good parents and the adults at their school are people they can speak to about things, and I think this is going to lead to more teachers turning a blind eye to potentially abusive parents, or to a child who is having psychological issues and needs help. Because, if it is in regards to a subject that is off limits especially, then the teacher is going to be blamed and sued.
You say one teacher and one child but how many teachers are getting sued over off limits teaching? That knife cuts both ways. Teachers are not psychologists or even child development experts. Let’s stop treating them like they are.
Everything boils down to a vast right-wing conspiracy to you. You are what you complain about.
I didnt say they were psychologists, but most kids arent going to have access to a psychologist either without their parents. So, if a child has abusive parents or just parents who dont know what they are doing, or parents who simply cant afford to take them to a psychologist, then where does that child go for help? Stuff like this can remove the easiest outlet they have to try and get help.
Of course they do! But ... are they wrong at times?!
This is one of those cases where it's very much true!
Even Libertarians -- who were always pro-marriage quality -- are tired of the left-wing bullshit.
Case-in-point ... Slate's bullshit:
The Libertarian Party Has Failed Gay Rights
The current Libertarian Party home page has tabs for a wide range of topics, from crime (solution: more guns) to gun laws (solution: more guns) to the...
We're all tired of the left-wing bullshit.
They make a narrative about a 'right-wing' or even 'Libertarian position' that is a total lie.
Meanwhile, we have real left-wing bullshit that very much does exist!
Case-in-point ... and you even proliferate it here!
Did you actually read the dialog?! Geez you're thick!
That was the PARENTS INFORMING the teacher WHAT THE CHILD WANTED! And the PARENTS were HONORING THEIR CHILD's request as the PARENTS KNEW FIRST!
But they school district applied the 'don't out the chlid' bullshit. So ... parents got ****ed. They got rammed right up the @$$. This is everything in why this bill exists! The school district applied a policy that should have never, ever been applied to this situation!
I'm sure the teacher was screaming about it too ... but the school district ****s teachers too.
You're honestly a ****tard if you cannot read that.
No wonder the parents are suing!
People like you are just as bad as the school district. You immediately assume the parents will be against it if they know. When the PARENTS KNEW FIRST and were the ones CONTACTING THE TEACHER!
The school district then ****ed the parents.
This is exactly why this bill exists!
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Parents who just don’t know what they’re doing? Good thing we have teachers to report them and the rest of the Government to step in.
Look, I get it. I hear the stories that my wife tells about the parents that she’s had to deal with. It sucks. My parents were dysfunctional as hell too. But the Governments place is not to take the place of the parents. And it sure as hell is not to operate in spite of the parents.
Out of curiosity, how many kids do you have?
There are plenty of parents who arent good parents. Sometimes it is abusive, other times it is well intentioned but just not good parenting. Not really sure why you question that.
I dont think it is taking the place of parents. This country has always (or at least modern history) had good access to public schools, and teachers have always played a big role in a childs life. And quite often, a child will benefit far more from the knowledge, advice, etc they get from a teacher more than their parents. Teachers arent perfect, but neither are parents. But let me ask you, what do you think about DCS services and things of that nature? Those are government services that often do things in spite of the parents. These services are supposed to be about the kids, not about the parents. Yes, there obviously should be some sort of working relationship between teachers and parents, but parents dont always know better than teachers, I am sorry, they just dont.
I dont have kids and dont want kids, but that has nothing to do with anything. I have worked with kids I have young neices, and most importantly, I went to public schools.
I know for a fact that the public needs to shed more light on what happens with DCF (our Florida agency) type agencies. I know more than a few police officers who were DCF first and heard their stories too. DCF has a limited charter and is meant to step in when the parents or other family members are actually unable to care for their children. Sometimes it’s good. Sometimes DCF far exceeds their scope. They’re necessary but they wield a very large and powerful stick and thus should have scrutiny in the same way we are now scrutinizing police.
But the Government stepping in when the cases are extreme is far afield of the Government deciding the moral values that all children should learn and then acting like the parents are wrong when they push back. You’re trying to juxtapose the extreme circumstance to justify the normal while complaining about Republicans doing the same thing. Mirror images.
Are you interviewing real teachers? ...or is this the latest narrative & talking point developed by the Democrat political machine?
The one sitting next to me says teachers should be focused on curriculum, so this bill should only worry moral crusaders...and should expand to all grades, not stop at 3rd.
And here it comes ...
"We cannot trust all parents by default." -- Leon County Schools (my God)
You're right there with people who say their pets are their kids and they love them the same as parents do their children. No ... taking care of a living human being for 18+ years, not including the 9 months in the womb, is not the same as a pet.
You literally are the school district. You default to this. You will have this as a default policy, instead of limiting it to the policy where it actually would be 'outing kids.'
"We cannot trust all parents by default." -- Leon County Schools (my God)
I don't have kids ... but I never say utterly oblivious shit like this, to parents. Seriously dude, you just lost me for good with that one.
You're right there with people who say their pets are their kids and they love them the same as parents do their children. No ... taking care of a living human being for 18+ years, not including the 9 months in the womb, is not the same as a pet.
Kids are innocent and colorblind, I've observed it with my own children at parks, sports teams, & class activities interacting with children of all backgrounds as they were growing up and thinking nothing of it...
It wasn't until things like black history month, Jackie Robinson baseball week, MLK day, etc starting in kindergarten that my kids started asking me questions about skin color... I made generalized statements like "they were brave people that worked hard" ...but that is when I realized that it is the repetitive reinforcement and focus on race in schools / society that is the root cause of racial issues at older ages...
How will we ever forget about skin color if we're constantly reminded of it?
Well, MLK Jr and jackie Robinson both represented people who wanted equality and for color blindness. I get what you're saying, but at the same time, they are not the problem at all.
As far as Black History month, Engineering Week is in the same month, so I kinda just combine the two. Minority engineers get virtually no coverage, historically. So that's been my foci.
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Obviously a false flag operation. *
More seriously now ... it will be interesting if they are charged with the felony. To be fair, I don't think they will be. No serious injuries resulted. I have a hard time thinking they should be in that case. Had there been more serious injuries, then more calls for such might have resulted.
One other note ... as often is the case, it was not just African-Americans. There were 3 black but 2 white kids ages 12-15, among the attackers, of the 4 white kids. This is my problem with a lot of 'social justice' violence ... it's a lot of white people who just want to use it as an excuse, but don't really care much about justice.
Looks like at least one of the Big 3 US Media outlets picked it up ...
Five students charged with hate crimes in 'racially-motivated' incident, police say
Police said the suspects in the Wednesday morning attack at the Coconut Creek Recreation Complex in Florida shouted "It's Opposite Day!" and "brown power!"
www.nbcnews.com
The UK's Dailymail has some interesting quotes not being covered in the US Media though regarding the victims being called 'snitches' over the 'hate crime' charge, as the 5 assaliants (again, 3 black, 2 white), were arrested.
Middle school students 'beat up white students in revenge for slavery'
One of the alleged victims, who has not been identified because he is a minor, said he no longer feels safe attending Lyons Creek Middle School, in Broward County, Florida.
NOTE: As a Libertarian, this is why I don't like hate crime charges unless it's a mob and serious intimidation/violence, on an organized level, and then many other charges already fit.
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Age appropriate would be nice, for starters...
Then the typical subjects of Math, Science, Art (the drawing/coloring kind), Spelling/Vocabulary/Grammar... Stuff kids can actually use.
Wow, I've learned a lot from you tonight, UCFloridaTech!!!
So it's MLK Day, Jackie Robinson Baseball Week, and things like it that's the root cause of racial issues in this country as young, innocent white kids grow up.
If only we'd have had the good sense to ban all that school shit designed to highlight African Americans and their history (now packaged under the all-encompassing title of CRT), we'd be free of racism by now and would have become a color-blind society. Damn, if ONLY we'd known!*
You're going into a dead end on this one. Shuckster will accept nothing less than your admission of being a racist and personal shame about it. Old people can't accept the fact that younger generations are far less racist than they are and want you to carry that burden for them.
That's unfortunate... Similar to parenting, there's a fine line between support and enabling... Parents giving kids too much end up doing more harm than good.
Unfortunate and kind of weird. When I grew up, we didn't really think about race all that much. Now we are told to focus on it. We were also told to not call people gay, but now it's a good thing to do. Leftists can't make up their minds on what is acceptable and what isn't, so the goalposts are just constantly moving.
Yeah, back when Crazyhole was a kid growing up in his rural Nebraska town, race wasn’t an issue by golly!
Oh I love this one. The only reason I'm not a racist is because I didn't grow up around more black people, amirite?Yeah, back when Crazyhole was a kid growing up in his rural Nebraska town, race wasn’t an issue by golly!
Thre is no way to forget about skin color, it is a visual thing that unless we all go blind, we arent going to just forget about. The goal is to have a society where skin color doesnt matter, not to just pretend we all have the same color of skin.
Gay in and of itself isnt a slur. So nobody ever said you shouldnt call actual gay people gay, just that you shouldnt use gay as an insult. And you might not have thought about race, I dont think most young kids do, but that doesnt mean just because "you" didnt think about race, that there werent racial issues going on in society. I mean, we arent that far removed from the civil rights movement, so plenty of people were thinking about race over the last 60 years or so.
I think the point, is that it is easy not to think about race if you are white, and were never really around people who werent white.
I was around people of color from the very beginning of my life. It just really aggravates me that there are people that suggest that the only reason I'm not a racist is because I wasn't around enough of them. It's insulting to both me and them.
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I dont think that is what he is saying. I think the point, is your experiences with regards to racial issues, arent universal. Just because you didnt see racism, doesnt mean that it didnt exist. I grew up in a rural town as well, and I never noticed a lot of racial tension either (that doesnt mean it didnt exist, just not in my circles), but that doesnt mean there wasnt racial tension in other places.
So does it bother you when someone calls you a racist and then explain the reason why you can't admit to it? Personally, it pisses me off.
I dont think that is the point. When you say because "you" didnt see racism, it doesnt mean you are a racist. But there was racism, so just because you didnt see it doesnt mean that is how it played out in the world. There are plenty of people who I dont think are racists, but I do think have racial blindspots.
Which is the trap that the race baiters like shuckster always try to set. Of course there are racists, and they exist across the spectrum. That doesn't mean you or I need to carry that as a burden but they sure want us to.
According to 2020 census data, the number of Blacks where Crazyhole is from is a little over 1% of this Nebraska country's total population. It's a safe bet that when he was growing up there, it was likely less than half a percentage point.
But to hear Crazyhole tell it, this kid from rural Nebraska was "around people of color from the very beginning" of his life. And if you believe that bullshit, I've got some prime real estate to sell you in the Florida Everglades.
As a young kid, I grew up in VT. Same deal, less than 1% black. We moved here when I was not quite 4. I had only seen one black person ever before the move. Adult relatives would visit and out of ignorance talk of the racial problems here in the 60's, In reality they didn't have them in Vermont, quite simply because they barely had any blacks living there.
The schools here were intergraded when I was in Jr. High 6th grade. I had no perceptions about blacks because to be honest I never had any interactions with black people before that. Just guessing, but by the 9th grade 8 to 10% of our class was black.
Once again, you're just being a race baiter.
My first minister was a black man
My first banker was a black man
I was baptized by a black man
I dated a black girl
Kids I went to school with:
Rich, Shondra, Aaron, Joel, Nadir, Eliel, Carlos, colbert, Shola, Cynthia, desera', James, Mandy, Jaser, keytia, Tony, etc
And when you cite the Census, it doesn't account for the college students. It's a church of christ affiliated school that brings a lot of African kids into town. They were always coming out to the farm because dad would take them for rides in the tractor. Farming is way different over there and they wanted to experience what its like to do it here. So STFU with your race-shaming.
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