Palestinians are technically Israeli citizens, and people would argue the Israeli government oppresses them. You don't have agree, but it is a legit argument.
Gaetz throws down the gauntlet
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You could make that argument if the oppressive laws, one of which was just dropped, we’re borne out of some innate hostility on the part of Israel. But that is not the truth. The fact is that the laws that you buy as “oppressive” are reactions to repeated attacks by a nation that has the elimination of Israel and all Jews as one of its foremost missions. The only way that can be a legitimate argument is if the Palestinian nation was innocent and we’re not the continued aggressor and that is simply untrue.
Both sides have done bad shit, it's nowhere near as simple as you are making it out to be.
It’s nowhere near as complicated as you want it to be so that you can justify backing an evil terrorist regime by creating some kind of equivalence.
I can't see how you can justify backing a nation that executes such operations as walking into a crowded grocery store full of civilians and detonating a backpack explosive, thus killing 3 and injuring 28. Or a bus. Or a school. Or a plethora of other terrorist attacks targeting solely civilians going about their daily lives. Even their "assaults" on the border fencing involve flying kites and balloons with incendiary or explosives attached over the lines and into the homes, shops, and schools behind the lines.
Hamas and Fatah are the backbone of the Palestinian government and they both have backed numerous terrorist attacks for decades. The PLA pays a monthly stipend to Palestinians convicted of terrorism. Just last month, IDF arrested 50 Palestinians in the process of making IEDs and planning their use.
If not evil and terrorism, how would you define it?
Nobody said anything about backing anyone, I said it is a lot more complicated than you are making it out to be.
It's not complicated. The acts that the PLA/Hamas/Fatah have perpetrated are evil acts and most of them are unprovoked. (Notice that I'm not including the Knife Intifada which was directly provoked by closing off access to the Temple Mount even though knifing random Israelis is an evil act that is counter to civilized diplomacy)
You're just rationalizing your inability to call out evil when you see it. Until they renounce their goal to wipe Israel off the map and cease all terrorist actions and sponsorship, they should get no leeway. Once they do, then the real work of healing and creating the nations can commence. But not until then.
Of course it is complicated. You have people who have been displaced since the modern day Israel was established, Israel is constantly taking even more land, they dont allow most Palestinian's to have any say in the government (most cant even vote) despite technically being under Israeli rule, etc etc.
I am not the one rationalizing anything, I am the one who said both sides do bad shit, and you are the one who is using this good vs evil type argument. You are the one rationalizing.
Exactly. I'm guess last year's UN reports detailing a series of blatant human rights violations by Israel in the occupied Palestinian territories are "fake news."
I have said multiple times now both sides do bad stuff, I dont know how you are translating that to excuses for anyone. Regardless, once people start with good/evil type arguments then it basically becomes pointless, so I'll just leave it at this.
You bet I cant what?
Describing people as evil, certainly with regards to this situation, is basically a religious argument, and I dont think religious arguments tend to hold much water in reality. So, if you want to say a serial killer or someting is evil, then I wouldnt disagree. But this situation is a political situation with a religious subtext, but it is mostly political. I dont think describing people as evil with regards to political arguments is a serious argument.
I bet that you can’t leave it at this. Lol.
Does a woman who walks into a crowded grocery store with a backpack full of explosives and detonates it qualify as an evil act? Do the people who funded and inspired/supported/forced the act and then lauded it to all who would listen qualify as evil? What if they became the leaders of the PLA? All of a sudden not evil?
It can be. Many of those stories from the Palestinians are propaganda, however, and have been proven that their own munitions killed their people, they lied about people being civilians who were actually Hamas fighters, or they launched attacks using their own children as human shields. The IDF actually goes to great lengths to try not to have spillover casualties, something the other side not only cares less about, but explicitly seeks. Over and over again.
BDS is run by anti-Semites and supported by anti-Semites, and the entire premise of BDS is that the world should boycott the Jewish state and have nothing to do with them until there is no more Jewish state.
It is literally a movement born of anti-Semitism and here you are again wondering this aloud. Lol
