They are at a disadvantage to their conference peers in facilities and fanbase. UCF is at an advantage to their conference peers in nearly every catagory.
HC Jobs UCF vs Miami- It's complicated...
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whatever HC route Miami goes with I hope they screw it up again. Long term Miami being stagnant is good for UCF.
UF and FSU have too much fan support, more boosters, and better infrastructure to ever be 'down' for more than a few years.
UF and FSU have too much fan support, more boosters, and better infrastructure to ever be 'down' for more than a few years.
21-27 minute mark Rusillo & Kanell talk Miami, UCF jobs, and a little Florida & Florida State
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=13979149
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=13979149
I remember watching Miami 30 for 30 part two when they beat UCLA in the final weeks of 1998. I paraphrase a Miami players reaction to the affect of ruining many people's New Years or Christmas. No one mentioned Central Florida but i know thats what i was thinking when i watched it. Record wise we might have been the 2nd best but put us on the field with all three of them at that time and we would lose.
LMAO the arrogance of this fanbase. How is a G5 job better than a P5 job in the same state? Get over yourselves. The Miami job is still a better job and golden was going to be fired regardless after that drubbing. Maybe UCF fired oleary ahead of Miami to get the jump on Miami instead of the other assine theory.
The only advantage we have is some stability and an on campus stadium. Otherwise they still get big TV money from being in a P5 regardless of how good or bad they are. This is what confuses me. Some huggers tell us were broke but then turn around and say that were a good job.
When they pay almost the same but one is much harder. It's easier to get 10 wins at UCF. Miami is a job killer.
If it's such a great job, how come they've had and fired 4 in the same amount of time UCF has had one?
You're so quaint.
Miami...winners of 5 National Titles and located in the richest recruiting area of the country...can't beat these so-so and also rans in their own division?
UNC
Pitt
Duke
Virginia
Va Tech
Ga Tech
Add in 2 non-conf games vs Div I-AA Bethune Cookman and another vs FAU. Even lost to AAC team who has a losing record in their conf.
Miami doesn't have to play Notre Dame this year.
Oh, good morning K_L!
FIU is also located in the richest recruiting area in the country. Miami's stadium is 45 minutes away (1 hour with traffic), they play in a pro town and share the sports page with 4 other pro teams, 5/6 of those "also rans" are state schools with more access to money. Miami has 1/5 the student body. They also have to deal with meddling rapper and pro athletes. For about the same paycheck, I would much rather be loved in east Orlando finding 10 wins against the likes of:
FIU
BCC
UConn
Temple
USF
ECU
Cincinnati
Tulane
Tulsa
Memphis
Miami will continue to suffer until they bite the bullet and decide to invest in new facilities. However, it might be too late considering that they have a long term (30 year?) lease at Sun Life stadium. I don't believe the administration wants to invest in football and will continue to hire Al Golden types.
This, before the Clemson game they were still 4-2, after they were just over 500 and melting down. UCF has 0 to do with it.
Anonymous UM donors saying they want to push Miami to hire the 2nd highest paid in the ACC behind Jimbo - hopefully between 3M - 4M. If they go after Butch Davis they can get him cheaper and then pay the coordinators better than they have.
And good or bad, fans or no fans, Miami is still viewed as direct of a path from South Florida to the NFL as anywhere else. Which is why Golden was dead man walking this year considering they were a 6 win team last season and were just littered with NFL draft picks.
You can have a reasonable discussion on what you think is a better job to you, that's fine. But get off the notion that they fired Golden because of what UCF did. That ball was rolling by halftime vs. Clemson.
I'm not in the camp that Miami made decisions because of UCF. I do feel that for the same pay, UCF is the better job. Now if Miami is paying $4 million, it is a much better job.
then why go out of the way Saturday to say no decision? even Lebatard brought that up & this debate wasn't just made up on this message board
I'm not trying to argue better job bc if they decide to finally decide to start offering HCs 4mil it's a mute point but if they stayed at 2.3(Golden's and Shannon were in this range) while UCF is willing to be at 2.0 there are some up and coming coaches that would prefer the UCF situation with an OCS and not the Miami Dade CC T-shirt fanbase playing in an empty NFL stadium 40 miles from Coral Gables. Flopping there ends the chance at another blue blood calling while you can win at UCF in an easier conference. Kanell brought this up. I know the UCF fans that grew up Cane fans are a little clouded to make an argument against anything Miami, notice that this is not even a question about UCF vs Programs like UF or FSU
I'm not trying to argue better job bc if they decide to finally decide to start offering HCs 4mil it's a mute point but if they stayed at 2.3(Golden's and Shannon were in this range) while UCF is willing to be at 2.0 there are some up and coming coaches that would prefer the UCF situation with an OCS and not the Miami Dade CC T-shirt fanbase playing in an empty NFL stadium 40 miles from Coral Gables. Flopping there ends the chance at another blue blood calling while you can win at UCF in an easier conference. Kanell brought this up. I know the UCF fans that grew up Cane fans are a little clouded to make an argument against anything Miami, notice that this is not even a question about UCF vs Programs like UF or FSU
Out of the way? He was probably asked in the commotion after the game by swarming media. And like i said before it was probably the BoT weighing in. Not to mention other public/alumni pressures building throughout the night and into Sunday.
The leap you (and the blogger) are making is ridiculous. And leBatard never once implied UCF had anything to do with it. All he mentioned was that the AD hastily said something saturday that wasnt true. Big deal. If we had an AD they probably would have said the same thing on Saturday only for Hitt to overrule him come Saturday night/Sunday.
this random blog wasn't the only media discussing this. That post by ESPN Rittenberg(sp?) posted that a few Agents agreed but whatever
"Two agents told me tonight that all things considered, UCF might be a better job than Miami."
And like i keep saying you can discuss that all you want. All im disputing is the notion Miami acted based on UCF. THAT is silly.
even if it's media just trolling Miami, any publicity for UCF during this season is good![[laughing]](http://l.yimg.com/j/assets/img/emoticons/classic/laugh.r191677.gif "Laughing [laughing]")
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13985219
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:13985219
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I don't know if the pundits are trolling but it's great for UCF. The B12 would grab Miami in a heartbeat if it could and if people start considering us better than Miami, the B12 might come calling.
Hey MasterKnight, go ahead and trash your black and gold clothing. It's clear you bleed green and orange. You and the other 15 fans of that program will enjoy an empty Sun Life stadium for years to come.
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So unreasonable expectations...
... and coaching under the shadow of a glory enjoyed 20 years ago...
Yep, sounds like a great job.
Oh, sorry: [sarcasm] SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT JOB!!!!!!! [/sarcasm]
SMH...
Jesus, another one? Is it really that hard to understand? The "U" is dead. It's gone and its never coming back. You play in a rented stadium an hour away from campus in front of about 1500 fans. The school does not support the program and your facilities are garbage.
Miami watched as GOL stepped down and became concerned that we may go after a coach that they have their eyes on. I.E. Mario Cristobal. I'm not the one saying it. I'm sure the consistent losing helped and the beat down by Clemson was the final straw, but It's right in the article and now national pundits are coming out saying the UCF job is better than Miami.
Now go ahead and take the "Knight" out of your name. We don't need fans of other programs here. Don't you have a stupid hand signal to throw up?
you have UM in your name...just go to Caneport
The students at UCF, FSU , etc that cheer for 'da U' against their own damn University are the worst sports fans on earth.
The students at UCF, FSU , etc that cheer for 'da U' against their own damn University are the worst sports fans on earth.
Dude, Miami is a shit job now. Forget the past. Football is about what have you done lately and Miami hasn't done shit. 4 different coaches have tried, they haven't been able to. You don't have to agree with the truth but it is what it is.
Stewart, last week I asked about whether you thought George O'Leary might step down. You didn't answer my question, and now I can't ask it again because ... he retired. My question this week is, do you think Miami is still a big-time job? It has a small student body, a stadium about 45 minutes from campus and they compete with the NFL for the football dollar in South Florida. Compare them to UCF, which nobody is going to say is a big-time job. UCF has 60,000 students, an on-campus stadium and no NFL team in its city.
--David Tse, Melbourne, Fla.
Yes, yes, 1,000 times yes, Miami is still a big-time job. Does it have some obstacles that other aspiring powerhouses don't? Absolutely. But almost everything you listed there was also true in 1987 or 2001, when the 'Canes were lording over college football. The only thing that's changed for the worse is the stadium. No question, Miami lost a big part of its identity when the Orange Bowl imploded. But you can't tell me a stadium was the reason Miami lost 58-0 to Clemson last week or lost its regular-season home finale to Pitt last year. The 'Canes lost because they were a poorly coached team.
Meanwhile, here is a short list of reasons Miami is actually a better job than it was in 1987 or 2001. The program is far better funded than it was then thanks to the ACC's TV contracts. Its facilities were downright decrepit during the U's heyday and substandard only a few years ago, but last year the school installed a new practice field and this year opened a brand-new $15 million building with all the same bells and whistles (players' lounge, snazzy locker room) as everyone else. And it plays in a Power 5 conference with arguably the easiest path to the playoff -- beat annual rival Florida State and one or two other Top 25 teams tops.
Most importantly, there's a national championship-caliber roster of recruits right in its backyard. The competition for that talent is cutthroat, but Miami has a built-in advantage over all of the other schools trying to pry those kids away.
UCF is a good job, too. The program has grown its profile substantially in recent years. But it's not Miami in prestige and brand awareness, most of all because it's not in a Power 5 league. Coaches and recruits alike want to go where they can compete for a national championship, a virtually impossible goal while playing in the American. It's a very attractive job for a young coach trying to make a name for himself in the profession, arguably more so than some of the Power 5 jobs that will likely come open this year (Purdue, etc.), but that young coach will inevitably use it as a springboard to an upper-tier Power 5 job.
Like, for example, Miami.
--David Tse, Melbourne, Fla.
Yes, yes, 1,000 times yes, Miami is still a big-time job. Does it have some obstacles that other aspiring powerhouses don't? Absolutely. But almost everything you listed there was also true in 1987 or 2001, when the 'Canes were lording over college football. The only thing that's changed for the worse is the stadium. No question, Miami lost a big part of its identity when the Orange Bowl imploded. But you can't tell me a stadium was the reason Miami lost 58-0 to Clemson last week or lost its regular-season home finale to Pitt last year. The 'Canes lost because they were a poorly coached team.
Meanwhile, here is a short list of reasons Miami is actually a better job than it was in 1987 or 2001. The program is far better funded than it was then thanks to the ACC's TV contracts. Its facilities were downright decrepit during the U's heyday and substandard only a few years ago, but last year the school installed a new practice field and this year opened a brand-new $15 million building with all the same bells and whistles (players' lounge, snazzy locker room) as everyone else. And it plays in a Power 5 conference with arguably the easiest path to the playoff -- beat annual rival Florida State and one or two other Top 25 teams tops.
Most importantly, there's a national championship-caliber roster of recruits right in its backyard. The competition for that talent is cutthroat, but Miami has a built-in advantage over all of the other schools trying to pry those kids away.
UCF is a good job, too. The program has grown its profile substantially in recent years. But it's not Miami in prestige and brand awareness, most of all because it's not in a Power 5 league. Coaches and recruits alike want to go where they can compete for a national championship, a virtually impossible goal while playing in the American. It's a very attractive job for a young coach trying to make a name for himself in the profession, arguably more so than some of the Power 5 jobs that will likely come open this year (Purdue, etc.), but that young coach will inevitably use it as a springboard to an upper-tier Power 5 job.
Like, for example, Miami.
In what world is a 5-time national title program, located in the hotbed of college recruiting, has ACTUAL rich program history and tradition, and that's still an NFL factory is a worse job than a football program that's on the verge becoming 0-12 in an irrelevant conference and has 0 national titles to it's name? Please explain this to me.
Despite AL Golden's incompetence, he still managed to have a top 25 recruiting class each season. When was the last time UCF had a top 25- or even a top 50 recruiting class? Even going 6-7 last season Miami still managed to get 7 players drafted in the NFL(2nd to FSU) and has 10 players on active rosters from that same draft class.Then on top of that Miami's Admin has been rumored to be willing to pay 4 mill a year for their next coach. And you guys are trying to tell me UCF is still a better coaching job than Miami? LMAO
Despite AL Golden's incompetence, he still managed to have a top 25 recruiting class each season. When was the last time UCF had a top 25- or even a top 50 recruiting class? Even going 6-7 last season Miami still managed to get 7 players drafted in the NFL(2nd to FSU) and has 10 players on active rosters from that same draft class.Then on top of that Miami's Admin has been rumored to be willing to pay 4 mill a year for their next coach. And you guys are trying to tell me UCF is still a better coaching job than Miami? LMAO
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A tradition of an empty Dolphins Stadium. Despite all those draft picks they still haven't won the ACC since entering that league. Just go to Canesport to get tweet updates on Uncle Luke's candidate list
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