HC Jobs UCF vs Miami- It's complicated...
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4, 3, doesn't matter. Miami is never going to be the program it was an most coaches and agents know that. That's why they're saying what they're saying.
Not my reason, just facts. You don't have to agree with facts, but they're still facts. Simple.
And please stop bringing up that regurgitated BS about shitty Facilities when they just spent 30m on facilities recently
2001 to 2015 - 3 coaches (1 Nat'l Title)
1979 to 1994 - 3 coaches (4 Nat'l Titles)
The time between was Butch Davis. But take that sliding 15 years scale and its hard not to show where we had 3 coaches over that span.
1979 to 1994 - 3 coaches (4 Nat'l Titles)
The time between was Butch Davis. But take that sliding 15 years scale and its hard not to show where we had 3 coaches over that span.
They point to win/loss totals under 2 horrendous coaches. What many don't realize is that Miami is a good coach away from being a national title contender within the next couple years. It's pretty simple, really. Good facilities (albeit no on campus stadium), great recruiting area, good talent already on the roster, etc.
Many programs can say that...yet even with all the recruiting ground advantages/past national titles, etc...Miami hasn't even won a sole CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIP (forget about another National Title) since 2002. (Miami shared a Big East Title in 2003).
Miami has never won an ACC title (joined in 2004)...even in the weakest of the 5 power conferences...yet some Miami fans say they are just 1 coach away from winning another national championship?
#delusional
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It is not complicated, they will hire a 3 mil per year guy, we will likely hire an 1.5 mil per year guy, and our guy will do more than there guy does.
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Miami is dead unless the can get Nevin out of prison or get another scam artist on the recruiting trail.
To be fair, i dont think everyone wanted GOL at UCF for 12 years either...but i digress.
Its a high risk, high reward job. The risks are what you bring up. The rewards are what you see on TV, former players coming out of the woodwork, more 30 for 30 episodes, flashbacks of beating Nebraska, FSU, etc.
Golden came close to winning the lottery...and when your rival is Florida State matching 4 of 6 numbers is still a Nationally Televised Saturday Night Game on ABC.
Either Miami is a dumb program because coaches salary will be the same as ours....or we overpay to hire a coach win a relatively easy conference.
Army has three national titles too. UCF is still the better job (over Army) on this board and in the world of reality. Seven consecutive posts.........really? #getalife #rureallyaucffan
Lol Army last won the national title 70 years ago. #ruserious
You know Notre Dame hasnt won a title since 1988 either. Are you going to say our 4 conference and 2 division titles are proof that we're a better program than they are too? Let me add CUSA and AAC titles and except for one year we lost most of our ooc games to AQ/BCS/P5 teams. Take the black and gold glasses off...youre drunk.
I think the UCF vs Miami article is a credible read, but first off why don't we beat them in a football game before we start trashing their remains lol.
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No, I'm going to say exactly what I said. UCF is a better gig than army, I used their national championships to illustrate that your criterion isn't the end all be all, ie. Conference and division titles versus national championships in assessing the current state of the comparitive programs. I never said UCF was a better gig than UM or ND. However it speaks volumes that persons outside of UCF say that it is not absurd to compare the UCF to UM gig. It's hard to beat someone you never play (this year it's hard to beat anybody if you're UCF). We wouldn't even be having this discussion ten short years ago. And that's precisely my point. #UCFgigtrendingup
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Outside of ND...winning conf titles (especially P5 like ACC), will give you a great shot to get into the Final 4 playoff.
I don't see any scenario where the 2nd place ACC team gets one of the 4 Playoff spots...so only way Miami has a shot is to win the ACC...which they have never done since joining the conf in 2004.
But yeah, you and other cane fans...keep dreaming about winning another national title without winning the ACC.
Well winning four titles in our conference hasn't done us much good as it applies to the Final 4 playoff or national title now has it. Then again we aren't repping our conference well when losing to the likes of 5-7 Missouri and 7-6 Penn State either.
Miami's last national title was in 2002 not in 1946. While they are struggling now they've had numerous winning seasons since and is in a P5 conference...but i agree its a relevant article...although i do take issue with the main reason - that we are willing to pay a coach the same amount of money to win a lesser conference. To me that screams desperate! We shouldnt be front loading coaches 2 mil a year until we see results. Sure we may risk the losing "name" candidates but i dont want someone hired thats going to come here and think its going to be a vacation because of who is on our conference schedule. Speaking of which we haven't even won a game yet, so lets do that first before pontificating the schedule a coach would like to play before looking for a job.
Its been repeated here time and time again that the "field of dreams" concept fell on its face after the BCS evolved to the P5 and the Big East basketball teams didnt want anything to do with UCF, Tulane and the CUSA teams that got invited after. The last thing i want to see is this program spin into insanity because they think throwing money around they apparently dont have will net in different results.
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There are no guarantees in life, however, one generally gets what one pays for. If a coaching canadate's value is high he should command a high salary. I'm not a closet UM, UF or FSU fan. I want the best for UCF, if that means paying a competitive salary for a good up and coming coach who can make UCF a better program then I'm all for it. Remember we are still pushing for entitled5 inclusion and the tremendous monetary benefits associated with same. Think of it as an investment in UCF's future. #justsaynotoshortsightedness
And they were cheating like hell in 2002. They are not the same program under clean recruiting. This is the norm. No fans, rental facility, and tee shirt fans that don't show up less they are top 10.
It depends on what the coach in question ultimately desires. If they want to get a job in which they have a better chance at winning national championships or getting more money in the short term, Miami is obviously the better option. But if this coach has an ultimate desire of coaching at a top tier program like USC or Texas or Notre Dame, then UCF might honestly be the better option for them. There is no doubt that a coach who has proven success at UCF will be looked at by those programs, especially if they recruit well. Along with that, a coach at UCF will be given more time to implement their system and will be placed in a situation where winning 10 games is more likely.
What it comes down to is this, neither Miami nor UCF is a place where a Meyer or Saban stays for the entirety of their career. But if a coach ultimately wants a job of that caliber, UCF arguably is the better place to achieve that.
What it comes down to is this, neither Miami nor UCF is a place where a Meyer or Saban stays for the entirety of their career. But if a coach ultimately wants a job of that caliber, UCF arguably is the better place to achieve that.
Jesus just look at the comments lol. I can't believe you guys really fell for this troll attempt. Don't get me wrong I think can have a great football program eventually, but you're simply delusional or just a blind UCF homer if you think UCF compares to Miami right now.
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umm if you couldn't tell by my post I know Finebaum is trolling. still hilarious to see Miami's Program get shit on
Doesn't that just mean Miami has greater expectations? I mean you have people in here boasting AAC championshipsHere is a fact that Miami fans can't accept.
UCF job security >>>>>>>>>> Miami.
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And yet how many players has Miami had drafted compared to UCF despite not winning the ACC? And what school is still trying to get INVITED to a power 5 conference despite winning multiple AAC championships?
And it isn't possible to be a fan of both schools? I mean I go to UCF I'm just not gonna put UCF over a football program that I've been a fan of since I was 5 lol
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