I'm sure there's a reasonable explanation for this
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/01/us/illinois-man-with-iv-arrested/index.html
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/07/01/us/illinois-man-with-iv-arrested/index.html
Hospital patient went on a walk with an IV drip. Security thought he was stealing medical equipment
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After the cop starting the conversation with "Are you stealing this?" what further light would be shed?
It sounded to me from the story that it was a security officer that asked him that, not the police, and he then called them to the scene. If they show up and all they know is that the guy is being accused of stealing medical equipment and then becomes belligerent (even if it was warranted) then I could see how he could be arrested for disorderly conduct. I'm not taking a position on that until I see the full video of his interaction with police. It just seems odd that the clip played music instead of letting the viewer hear what was being said.
Not that I'm aware of, but apparently these guys recorded the whole thing so it'll be interesting to see how things transpired exactly when it comes out. It just seems to me that CNN may have selectively picked which parts of the video to present because they like to present stories as being black and white, good vs bad, but that is rarely the case. If it really was that simple they would just release all of the footage with audio throughout.
This is all speculation:
My first inclination is that the security officer was totally out of bounds and these guys probably got offended and weren't in the mood to diffuse a situation with an asshole so the police were called. Emotions and blood pressure rose, and they ended up in a situation where they didn't want to comply, which is understandable when you've done nothing wrong but they acted out of anger towards a cop and that generally doesn't work well.
If I was the cop called to the scene and I saw a man HOOKED UP TO AN IV and wearing NOTHING MORE THAN A HOSPITAL SMOCK, my keen powers of observation would lead me to believe the 'wanna be a cop' security officer was an idiot.
Christ, instead of hassling the poor man, all either one of these dumbass yahoos had to do was politely escort him back to the hospital where his identity would have been confirmed.
I agree with all of that. The question that remains to be answered is whether or not the 3 guys maintained composure when the cop showed up. I know that if I was in that same position it would take everything I had to not be confrontational with both the security guard and the cop. I'm not accusing the guy of anything and it is understandable that he would be super pissed off, it just seems odd that CNN only provides the audio of the very end of a 48 second clip that likely is actually several minutes long.
They damn well better be dropped — and official apologies extended to the victim of this farce.
If it were me, I’d be suing the shit out of that hospital and the local police. These dumbasses actually put that poor man in handcuffs for crying out loud! If I were their supervisors, I’d be asking, “What the hell were you thinking??!??”
Oh, so now you're vastly offended and outraged when people are falsely accused of something?
Holy shit, the iron and hypocricy. It's a deep, deep burn with this one.
Only on the WC would one of our resident geniuses equate sexual assault accusations against well-known Class Acts like Donald Trump and Harvey Weinstein with a local yokel cop accusing a Black guy with an IV in his arm and clad in nothing more than a hospital smock with stealing hospital equipment.
I'm pretty sure trump and Weinstein aren't the people he is referring to.
If course I wasn’t. The idiot knows that I was referring to the high school kid whose life Shookster wanted ruined for something he didn’t do, while pivoting to defend his hate for the kid under the guise of “HE SMIRKED!!”
His attempted redirect is really pathetic
Sorry my ESP isn't working. Last I checked, you were staunchly defending Trump against his Sexual Assault Accuser #26.
As we've seen, you're all over the damn board with your spins. As long as you're defending Trump and your tribe, you could care less about how hypocritical you look.
This story is starting to fall apart. According to the police, the hospital stated that no doctor or nurse gave him permission to leave the hospital while still connected to the IV and that their policy is consistent with this. If that is the case, then the security guard was correct in questioning these guys.
You mean accuser #26 who claims she was raped in the middle of a department store and that the rape wasn't sexual? And that rape is sexy?
I especially liked when she started hitting on Anderson cooper. You could just tell from his face he was like “wtf is this crazy lunatic trying to do???” So obvious he was uncomfortable.
Well she was drunk and he is gay, so he probably had a good reason for being uncomfortable.
If you are the security guard, you politely tell the guy he's not allowed to take a walk outside the hospital and then escort him back inside. You sure as hell don't accuse him of stealing hospital equipment and call the cops!!!
I love how some of our crew here think the actions of the cop and the security guard were "understandable." I'll bet if he accused you of stealing and slapped a pair of handcuffs on you, I'm betting you'd be singing a different tune.
But, of course, you would never have to worry about such an asinine thing happening to any of you guys because you're all white.
If you are the security guard, you politely tell the guy he's not allowed to take a walk outside the hospital and then escort him back inside. You sure as hell don't accuse him of stealing hospital equipment and call the cops!!!
I love how some of our crew here think the actions of the cop and the security guard were "understandable." I'll bet if he accused you of stealing and slapped a pair of handcuffs on you, I'm betting you'd be singing a different tune.
But, of course, you would never have to worry about such an asinine thing happening to any of you guys because you're all white.
At this point, we don't have the security guards side of the story so you are making an assumption that he immediately went to "are you stealing that?". We do know that all 3 guys were arrested on charges related to their interaction with the cop. How do we know that he didn't start the conversation by telling this guy that he can't be outside with hospital equipment and the guys refused to do that?
If you were the security guard and this guy refused to go back into the hospital, would you call the police?
Yeah, the hospital patient was just being belligerent, I'm sure that was it.
Sure it funny how many 'belligerent Black' stories have started changing with the advent of cellphone and police body cameras.
Yeah, the hospital patient was just being belligerent, I'm sure that was it.
Sure it funny how many 'belligerent Black' stories have started changing with the advent of cellphone and police body cameras.
You didn't answer the question.
Of course I don't think this was a case of a hospital patient bringing this on himself.
In any and every profession and business that involves customer service -- including hospitals -- there are occasionally difficult people to deal with. True professionals -- particularly police and security officers -- know that it's critical to DE-ESCALATE any and every emotional or difficult situation they are confronted with.
Recently we've seen cellphone camera evidence of police doing the exact opposite: making a bad situation worse. All indications are that's what happened in this case.
But there aren't any indications of that. We have a video of the guy being arrested and only his side of the story. If I showed you a 3 second video of a white guy punching a black guy, but didn't show you the 5 minutes of preceding video where the black guy was punching the white guy all you would have to go on is part of the story. Would you really be ok passing judgment on the white guy based on confirmation bias and then find out later that it wasn't his fault at all? Reverse that scenario; would you be skeptical and ask for the whole story?
Blacks are really pushing in the envelope in trying to fool the white media. Sticking an IV needle in your arm to walk out with equipment? Smart.Yeah, the hospital patient was just being belligerent, I'm sure that was it.
Sure it funny how many 'belligerent Black' stories have started changing with the advent of cellphone and police body cameras.
Having all of their interactions with the public videotaped needs to become a requirement for police officers. We shouldn't have to play the "he said but he said" game.
Recently there was a shoplifting incident involving a 4 year-old and a resisting arrest charge for the father that made national news. The cop's "side of the story" was that the kid's father resisted arrest. Unfortunately for the cop, a bystander taped the whole interaction on his cellphone. The tape showed an out-of-control cop literally shouting at the parents and shoving the father to the ground without provocation.
Frankly, this is the kind of shit that's been going on for decades in this country before Blacks could ever defend themselves with actual video footage that told a very different story. Prior to this, it was always their word against the cop's -- and the cop was always right.
Remember, you're talking to the guy who took the Smollett story and "assault" as absolute truth the minute he heard it and refused to backtrack. He's the guy who took the edited, fake news "boy shouts down poor lil Indian" video as absolute truth, made assumptions and assertions because of it, then refused to back down when the unedited video made him look like an idiot.
If it fits his narrative politically he will accept any narrative from the first go and refuse to backtrack when the whole story comes out.
Bullshit.
I'll be waiting for your apology....unless, of course, you REFUSE to backtrack.
You may recall that pretty much everybody agreed that the cops were way out of line there. Then again, we actually had evidence to review. This is different and it doesn't pass the sniff test. Keep in mind that all 3 guys were arrested for disorderly conduct, not theft. If there is no evidence to back that up then the charges will be dropped and the officer will be fired. There will be video recordings of all of this, not just a 10 second snippet that CNN released of an arrest. Why not wait until everything comes out before playing the race card?
Black people can't win with the whites.
They spend years in slavery, then after slavery they were second class citizens and the criticism is why they didnt react to their situation faster.
Now black guy is wearing an IV, being called out by police when no news story about a white person escaping the hospital wearing an IV makes the news and they're too fast pulling the race card.
The only reason the media was on this story is because the guy went to them. If the same thing happened to a white guy, CNN likely wouldn't have reported on it. They have their agenda and it's based on the fact that their viewers want to be outraged by something and this fits the bill.
