How will Trump supporters spin these Woodward tapes?

[KnighttimeJoe]

You have got to be kidding me.

Donald: "If Bob Woodward thought [what I said] was bad, then he should have immediately gone out publicly, not waited four months."

I think this is always the problem that I have had with Donald. Nothing is ever his fault. Deflect, blame others, point the finger--never admit guilt. And his mindless crowd of knuckle draggers eats this shit up and has absolutely no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, it emboldens them even more.

 

[Crazyhole]

You have got to be kidding me.

Donald: "If Bob Woodward thought [what I said] was bad, then he should have immediately gone out publicly, not waited four months."

I think this is always the problem that I have had with Donald. Nothing is ever his fault. Deflect, blame others, point the finger--never admit guilt. And his mindless crowd of knuckle draggers eats this shit up and has absolutely no problem with it whatsoever. In fact, it emboldens them even more.

Sure, there's some of that at play here but at the same time Woodward obviously had a secondary motivation to put this out right now as opposed to back then.

 

[Trigeek]

Sure, there's some of that at play here but at the same time Woodward obviously had a secondary motivation to put this out right now as opposed to back then.

No shit. What’s your point and it doesn’t change the fact he lied.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Sure, there's some of that at play here but at the same time Woodward obviously had a secondary motivation to put this out right now as opposed to back then.

^^^^Case in point, folks.

 

[Crazyhole]

^^^^Case in point, folks.

I agreed with you. Of course Trump is trying to deflect blame. He also has a point though.

Both can exist at the same time.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I agreed with you. Of course Trump is trying to deflect blame. He also has a point though.

Both can exist at the same time.

“Yes, he was wrong but the other guy was wronger.”

 

[Crazyhole]

“Yes, he was wrong but the other was wronger.”

I'd say neither are wrong.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

I'd say neither are wrong.

^^^^^case in point, yet again. You arrive at a false equivalence to justify Donald. But please, tell us you’re just being objective, you know, for Friday giggles.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Its pretty hypocritical whenever someone on the left accuses conservatives of always agreeing with Trump.

You are no longer conservatives. You are Trump loyalists.

 

[firm_bizzle]

Sure, there's some of that at play here but at the same time Woodward obviously had a secondary motivation to put this out right now as opposed to back then.

Woodward should have told the authorities so they could have done something.

 

[Crazyhole]

You are no longer conservatives. You are Trump loyalists.

When was the last time you praised Trump for something?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Woodward should have told the authorities so they could have done something.

We should hold Bob to a higher standard than the president!!!!!!!!!

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

When was the last time you praised Trump for something?

My God, the logical fallacies are flowing with you today.

 

[Trigeek]

Woodward should have told the authorities so they could have done something.

Why? The tapes are just reconfirming what we already knew.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Why? The tapes are just reconfirming what we already knew.

he was being ironical, dude.

 

[NinjaKnight]

Lmao I honestly didn't think Trump nut huggers could get any dumber.

Wow was I wrong.

 

[Crazyhole]

My God, the logical fallacies are flowing with you today.

If someone accuses another of not being objective, they should be able to provide evidence that they themselves actually are objective.

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

If someone accuses another of not being objective, they should be able to provide evidence that they themselves actually are objective.

DEFLECT! DEFLECT!!!! PROVE IT!!!!!! I'M OBJECTIVE, YOU AREN'T!!!!!!!

Just walk away from the computer, dude. This hasn't been your best morning.

 

[Crazyhole]

DEFLECT! DEFLECT!!!! PROVE IT!!!!!! I'M OBJECTIVE, YOU AREN'T!!!!!!!

Just walk away from the computer, dude. This hasn't been your best morning.

Are you drunk already?

 

[KnighttimeJoe]

Are you drunk already?

Resorting to the mikes way of posting, I see. Bold move.

You’re done.

 

[Crazyhole]

Resorting to the mikes way of posting, I see. Bold move.

You’re done.

Just trying to make sense of what you're doing this morning.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

If you are still defending this guy in 2020 after video of him saying he grabs women by the pussy without consent, saying he told his people to slow Covid testing down, saying he has continually tried to downplay the virus, then you may have a problem.

I mean if in a vacuum he had double digit accusers of sexual assault, had the CDC issue guidance that asymptomatic people not get tested for Covid, and told people it would magically go from a few cases to zero, there would be some question of his true motivations.

But there is literally video evidence of Trump saying he did these things intentionally and his nuthuggers still are in denial.

 

[Crazyhole]

If you are still defending this guy in 2020 after video of him saying he grabs women by the pussy without consent, saying he told his people to slow Covid testing down, saying he has continually tried to downplay the virus, then you may have a problem.

I mean if in a vacuum he had double digit accusers of sexual assault, had the CDC issue guidance that asymptomatic people not get tested for Covid, and told people it would magically go from a few cases to zero, there would be some question of his true motivations.

But there is literally video evidence of Trump saying he did these things intentionally and his nuthuggers still are in denial.

He has a point about testing asymptomatic people. I'm sure his motivations are political but it does seem silly at this point to test people with no symptoms.

 

[hemightbejeremy]

He has a point about testing asymptomatic people. I'm sure his motivations are political but it does seem silly at this point to test people with no symptoms.

If you don’t want to know the full scope of the virus spread and attempt to control the spread, then yes it makes sense to stop testing asymptomatic people who had exposure to the virus.

 

[Crazyhole]

If you don’t want to know the full scope of the virus spread and attempt to control the spread, then yes it makes sense to stop testing asymptomatic people who had exposure to the virus.

Unless you are going to test everybody, consistently, over an extended period of time it does nothing. For every asymptomatic positive test there could be 10, 20, 50 more that didn't get tested so what can you learn?

 

[hemightbejeremy]

Unless you are going to test everybody, consistently, over an extended period of time it does nothing. For every asymptomatic positive test there could be 10, 20, 50 more that didn't get tested so what can you learn?

You can learn more than not testing.

 

[Crazyhole]

You can learn more than not testing.

For a while sure. At some point you have to say that IFR isn't the goal of testing and CFR is. Maybe we aren't there yet, but at some point we will be.

 

[sk8knight]

Well it’s safe to say that this thread is burned. But what have we learned? Despite the president recorded and in his own words admitting he misled the country, certain people still defend him.
Amazing, particularly when I have GOP friends within the administration and on the Hill that are Blown away at this presidents actions and disgusted. They actually make a living and put food on the table working in GOP politics.
Yet you guys support this behavior. He’s f-ing on tape Admitting to lying.
I can’t decide why.
I think several of you are somewhat intelligent, obviously a few are just batshit crazy.
is it you just don’t want to admit you’ve been wrong? You’ve been promoting a guy who has turned out to be what everyone has been saying?
is it just a team sport mentality and you cheer for your side no matter what?
You understand that’s what “They” want on both sides.
Bad is bad. Step up and point it out.
please don’t come back with the but “Biden” crap. I have issues with Biden and he was not my choice but compared to this hot mess he looks like our savior. Let go of the fear and rhetorical bullshit.
If Trump were the CEO of your company would he still have a job?? The answer is no. Over and over.

What I’ve learned is that you are a judge mental blowhard that likes to act like you want honest discussion and you have an open mind but neither is true. Go back to posting your heroine’s skewed rants if all that you’re going to do is cast scorn and derision like some erudite troll.

 

[Crazyhole]

What I’ve learned is that you are a judge mental blowhard that likes to act like you want honest discussion and you have an open mind but neither is true. Go back to posting your heroine’s skewed rants if all that you’re going to do is cast scorn and derision like some erudite troll.

Even if you agree with some of his points, it isnt good enough because not agreeing with all of them proves you are biased.

 

[Boosted87]

Sure, there's some of that at play here but at the same time Woodward obviously had a secondary motivation to put this out right now as opposed to back then.

Meh this type of criticism on timing is going to happen no matter when. Logically, he's writing a book and it's going to drop before the election. He had 18 interviews with Trump that spanned up through July. This all dropped in early September. If he drops it in October isn't that worse if you're questioning timing motivation? Conversely, if he drops this after the election, then he'd be accused of delaying something the public should know before the election.

Dropping it earlier makes no sense either. Woodward goes public with these tapes in April and it's a HUGE story - but it doesn't change anything about our pandemic response. It's not like Trump wasn't be criticized in real time and there was some grand illusion of leadership. If he releases it then he's just going to be accused of trying to capitalize on the tragedy and further undermine public confidence during the most uncertain time of the pandemic.

 

[Crazyhole]

Meh this type of criticism on timing is going to happen no matter when. Logically, he's writing a book and it's going to drop before the election. He had 18 interviews with Trump that spanned up through July. This all dropped in early September. If he drops it in October isn't that worse if you're questioning timing motivation? Conversely, if he drops this after the election, then he'd be accused of delaying something the public should know before the election.

Dropping it earlier makes no sense either. Woodward goes public with these tapes in April and it's a HUGE story - but it doesn't change anything about our pandemic response. It's not like Trump wasn't be criticized in real time and there was some grand illusion of leadership. If he releases it then he's just going to be accused of trying to capitalize on the tragedy and further undermine public confidence during the most uncertain time of the pandemic.

I wasn't criticizing him. He dropped it when he did because he's putting out a book. Thats fine and completely rational. At the same time, Trump saying that if he thought it was a huge deal he should have said something earlier is also valid. Could Woodward have stopped anybody from dying by releasing this in April? Probably not, but if he thought he could then he did the same thing Trump did by withholding it.

 

[NinjaKnight]

I simply can not imagine the impossible levels of stupidity required to be upset with Woodward over this. That level of stupidity just should not exist in this day and age. There is no excuse.

 

[Boosted87]

I wasn't criticizing him. He dropped it when he did because he's putting out a book. Thats fine and completely rational. At the same time, Trump saying that if he thought it was a huge deal he should have said something earlier is also valid. Could Woodward have stopped anybody from dying by releasing this in April? Probably not, but if he thought he could then he did the same thing Trump did by withholding it.

Trump saying that is pure deflection. He's trying to shoot the messenger. Drawing a moral equivalence between the timing of Woodward's book release and the responsibility of a President during a crisis is pretty week.

Let's be honest. If Trump purposefully downplays the virus AND implements a national strategy that kicks it's ass, those comments don't look so bad in hindsight. So asking Woodward to pass judgement and go public in real time doesn't even make sense. It was Trump's job to shape our response through policy, not Woodward's.

 

[Crazyhole]

Trump saying that is pure deflection. He's trying to shoot the messenger. Drawing a moral equivalence between the timing of Woodward's book release and the responsibility of a President during a crisis is pretty week.

Let's be honest. If Trump purposefully downplays the virus AND implements a national strategy that kicks it's ass, those comments don't look so bad in hindsight. So asking Woodward to pass judgement and go public in real time doesn't even make sense. It was Trump's job to shape our response through policy, not Woodward's.

There are 3 issues at play here but they are being conflated into one, so lets just take them individually.

ANYBODY that had knowledge of covid being more deadly than what the public was told is equally guilty. This includes trump, fauci, the WHO, China, and Woodward.

National response falls on Trumps shoulders, no question about that. We can debate how successful or unsuccessful it was but will never come to a consensus.

The political/ personal gain aspect. Obviously all parties involved, including Trump, the media, and even lower level officials all the way down to the local level and individuals are open to criticism regarding what they have said or done.

 

[UCFBS]

It's amazing how people claim 'mislead.' I'm far from a Trump supporter, but this doesn't shock me. In fact, it's always what I expected.

Just like when Obama caught caught admitting he was lying about missile defense with Russia an errant mic, let alone when the US GAO lambasted him years later for misleading, and waste, with the public ... also with NATO as well.

Politicians say what others want to hear, not what they should hear. That's why I refuse to vote the two (2) parties right now, except for every, very specific individuals. E.g., Rand Paul comes to mind.

 

[DaShuckster]

ANYBODY that had knowledge of covid being more deadly than what the public was told is equally guilty. This includes trump, fauci, the WHO, China, and Woodward.

What a load of bullshit. This is on Trump, period. To pass on blame to others -- and a journalist no less -- speaks to the depths that Trump supporters will go to deflect blame from their guy.

Funny, on one hand you act like it was Woodward's 'moral imperative' to 'blow the whistle' on Trump. But as I recall, when an actual 'whistle blower' did stand up and say what the President was operating against our national interest, we heard cries of "Scumbag Partisan Traitor!"

 

[Crazyhole]

What a load of bullshit. This is on Trump, period. To pass on blame to others -- and a journalist no less -- speaks to the depths that Trump supporters will go to deflect blame from their guy.

Funny, on one hand you act like it was Woodward's 'moral imperative' to 'blow the whistle' on Trump. But as I recall, when an actual 'whistle blower' did stand up and say what the President was operating against our national interest, we heard cries of "Scumbag Partisan Traitor!"

So you're defending someone for being a whistle-blower while at the same time defending someone for not being a whistle-blower? How exactly does that work?

 

[UCFBS]

ANYBODY that had knowledge of covid being more deadly than what the public was told is equally guilty. This includes trump, fauci, the WHO, China, and Woodward.

^^^ This is an objective argument.

That said, it's still not killing as the UK researchers said it would, not even 1/10th, just like Mad Cow and their other 'forecasts.' But at least he took ownership for his hypocrisy (unlike a recent politician that was ignorant of the law).

And here's another one ...

The CDC admitted almost everyone is going to catch it eventually by this past May. So why have we been destroying our economy as it's no longer about 'flattening the curve?' This is not only what authoritarian dictating looks like, but the courts have repeatedly stated such ... repeatedly.

I trust the individual American to know better than themselves. And here's the case-in-point ...

The University of Illinois had two (2) physcists come up with a solid plan, and because individuals violated the rules, they put everyone at parties at risk. Which is why I have continued to say ...

It's not about the government protecting grandma.
It's not about the government protecting yourself.
It's about the government being completely and incompetently unable to guarantee anything.

Which is why even thinking parties were controllable was a stupid idea in the first place.
And just like grandma staying home, individual students needed to just do that too.

This is why mandates, much less authoritative dictating looks like (TOTAL FAIL) ... even when backed by objective science ... much less politicians who don't know jack.
And they continually run afoul of the courts.

End the lockdown.
End the mandates.
Trust people ... don't tell people the government has made them safe, it's bull, it's impossible.

 

[NinjaKnight]

What a load of bullshit. This is on Trump, period. To pass on blame to others -- and a journalist no less -- speaks to the depths that Trump supporters will go to deflect blame from their guy.

Funny, on one hand you act like it was Woodward's 'moral imperative' to 'blow the whistle' on Trump. But as I recall, when an actual 'whistle blower' did stand up and say what the President was operating against our national interest, we heard cries of "Scumbag Partisan Traitor!"

There are a billion different reason why anyone who is trying to blame Woodward for this is an absolute and utter idiot. These types of inbred dipshits aren't worth debating.

 

[DaShuckster]

So you're defending someone for being a whistle-blower while at the same time defending someone for not being a whistle-blower? How exactly does that work?

It's calling out a hypocrite who last year severely criticized a government whistleblower while NOW criticizing an outside journalist for not doing the very same thing to Trump.

The very notion that Woodward lacked the moral imperative to speak up earlier to save lives as A DEFENSE of Donald Trump truly boggles the mind.