Could Woodward have saved lives if he stepped forward earlier?
How will Trump supporters spin these Woodward tapes?
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I can't believe I am actually 100% in agreement here. It's pretty pathetic at this point how this is going with these idiots. Depressing, really.
This is a classic example of just how bizarre our political discourse regarding Trump has gotten.
The President of the United States is captured on tape admitting he's deliberately downplaying the seriousness of the virus. Given the timing of Trump's Woodward interviews and his subsequent public comments, there is absolutely no question he lied to the American People and contributed to thousands of unnecessary Covid deaths.
And what is the Right-wing's response?
That scumbag journalist, Bob Woodward didn't feel the moral imperative to speak up about what he knew??!? There's a lot of blame to go around -- and that liberal muckraker, Woodward is just as responsible as anyone and needs to be held accountable!!!!
I suppose I should appreciate this little nugget from Joe.
But I can't shake the image of comedian, Sam Kinison, spotting me in the front row of his concert. I find myself feeling incredibly self-conscious as he walks slowly over and screams in my ear, "YOU'RE RIGHT ASSHOLE!!!"
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It isnt on Woodward to save lives, he isnt in charge of the country. But to answer the question, probably not because Trump would do exactly what he is doing now and basically going after Woodward, and the Trump crowd still would have supported him, and continued to get their news from facebook memes and youtube videos.
It's hilarious seeing you guys trying to debate with literal morons.
If Woodward would have stepped up earlier these treasonous pieces of shit would have simply attacked him like they did Dr. Fauci, and anyone else who dared criticize their god-emperor.
My bad. You can explain to us your motivation behind the question, "Could Woodward have saved lives if he stepped forward earlier?"
For me, it's a repeat of 2016. I've been thinking about holding my nose and pulling red. My #1 and #2 issues Trump is really strong on. But #3 through #20, he gets a zero.
It's starting to get too much though these leadership fails by Trump. I'm also very concerned about the growing wealth divide and potential for class warfare. If the economy goes in the crapper, his narcissism could one day turn into a deadly decision that costs unnecessary American lives.
Overall, I'm now leaning towards flipping for Biden, or just abstaining. Yes, we may end up being China's biatch in 10 years , and Kamala Harris could legitimately become President should China Joe develop dimentia . At least she is head and shoulders above crazy Hillary.
It's starting to get too much though these leadership fails by Trump. I'm also very concerned about the growing wealth divide and potential for class warfare. If the economy goes in the crapper, his narcissism could one day turn into a deadly decision that costs unnecessary American lives.
Overall, I'm now leaning towards flipping for Biden, or just abstaining. Yes, we may end up being China's biatch in 10 years , and Kamala Harris could legitimately become President should China Joe develop dimentia . At least she is head and shoulders above crazy Hillary.
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The reality is that America is in a state of decline. The class warfare is already here, and the uber rich are winning easily. I think what we are seeing in the streets goes beyond just police shootings (though that is certainly a part of it). I think it also goes to the growing frustration people have, especially younger people, knowing that they arent ever going to be able to get ahead in this country. From student loans, to housing prices, to healthcare costs, to wages not keeping up with inflation, etc etc, this country has become a dead end road for a large portion of its citizens. Trump isnt going to fix it. He speaks to it, but he hasnt, and wont do anything about it because he doesnt really care, and in all honestly, probably isnt smart enough to do it even if he wanted to. Biden wont fix it either, but I think he is at least better than Trump with regards to it. But in the next decade or so, America is either going to have to shift it's mindset on a lot of things, or we are just going to see a lot more problems with things we used to take for granted, and the middle class is going to struggle more and more.
There was no motivation, it was just a question thats worthy of discussion. I would say it's probably 50-50, Maybe leaning towards probably not, but I also am biased towards thinking this virus is a little overblown.
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Nobody is smart enough to fix it. Thats the fallacy of our entire approach to politics. There is no knight in shining armor that can save us from the inevitable. The only time that political leadership actually matters is when things get to a fever-pitch. Personally, I think whoever wins in November will go down as the equivalent of James Buchanon. The next guy up is the one that is going to dictate the direction of the country.
No one person can fix it because we obviously dont live in a country where one person controls everything, but it is certainly fixable. A lot of our issues are much better in various countries all throughout the world, so we can certainly fix things. The problem, is we were all raised on what equates to nothing more than American platitudes. Freedom, work hard you will be successful, captialism good-socialism bad, we are the best at everything, etc etc. Except, none of these things are true. We have the highest prison population on the planet, which is completely contradictory that we are all about freedom. Plenty of countries with a higher quality of life than the US have a capitalist-socialist mix. We are nowhere near the best at everything. We are are violent, economic mobility is lacking, our healthcare system sucks, etc etc. But we are so brainwashed that when you bring things like this up, even to people who would directly benefit from better policies and just a generally different outlook on things, it is taken as some sort of anti-American sentiment. So it isnt that we dont have people smart enough to fix it, it's that our electorate isnt that bright and wont elect those people because they somehow think its anti-American.
But dont you want a national popular vote as well? If the American people are too ignorant or stupid, what would make them change their beliefs and votes?
Yes, I want a popular vote, in 2020 the electoral college is pointless. I dont know that they will change their beliefs. I think you have to prove it to people, which can be done, but it isnt done over night. Many programs we take for granted had a lot of opposition when they started, Soc. security, medicare, etc etc, but eventually when people see they are programs that benefit them, they not only accept them, but they like them.
So no concerns whatsoever that a large portion of people can be fooled by an outside force?
Of course, this country is filled with stupid people, and social media makes it much much worse. But you cant do anything about that, other than show them your policies are better for them, which isnt something that will happen over night. We are going to be a divided country for a while, there is just no way around that.
If you can't do anything about the fact that the country is full of stupid people, why would you not want a backstop against that stupidity? Would you be in favor of popular referendums on policy issues on a national level?
The electoral college isnt a backstop, if that is what you are saying. Nothing about the electoral college prevents stupid people from voting, or a stupid candidate from winning.
No, I am not in favor of referendums on a national level. State, and certainly local levels, I am ok with that, but nationally I would rather us just elect better people who make better decisions. And look, there are always going to be politicians I disagree with, that you disagree with, that anyone else disagrees with. But we have gotten to the point, where we are either electiong people who have no business in national office (the Qanon lady from Georgia who will win this year for example), or re elect people for years who do nothing for us, i.e. Mitch McConnell. The failings of this country are on us. Politicians can only plead their case more or less, but whether we elect the ones we should is a different story.
So no, I am not in favor of referendums at a national level. I would be in favor however, of letting people vote for the Senate leader and Speaker. Which ever side wins, we vote for who we want from that party. Whether you like them or not, why should McConnell and Pelosi have so much power when one is elected by a small state, and one is elected by a district, yet, they their policies can impact all our lives? Why does KY or SF essentially get to have their person control so much, when the vast majority of the country has no say in them being elected?
Yes. If he had warned Trump or Pence in February, tens of thousands of lives would have been saved.
I think it is a better system, but I have no illusions it will happen. But, if we could just vote on the leaders of each chamber, it would be somewhat similar, so I would take that at this point. My thinking is, that we have no say who in are leaders of the house and senate, and at this point, both are lifelong politicians who their younger colleagues are probably intimidated by, so they will vote for them as leaders. Lets take that out of their hands, and make them appeal to the public as a whole, not just their state/district and their colleagues. Win your house or senate seat, great, your district and state have their representation, but to lead the house and senate? None of us chose them for that.
Can't disagree with the sentiment, but not sure that having a popular vote for legislative leadership would be a good idea. The last 2 presidents were elected largely because they were a cult of personality, how would the legislature be better knowing that could also be the case with it? I dont even know how to start to figure out who the most popular senator or congressman is nationally. Maybe who is least unpopular, lol.
But presidents are elected by the EC, not popular vote. But also, it would be more like a primary than a general election, so there would be a handful of candidates for one vote, from one party.
Unfortunately the middle class as we know it has historically not existed. The wealth divide is a course correction back to what has been the historical norm. Our leaders are not helping stave off this shift.
Trump should have tried to scare the hell out of people and create a mass hysteria. That would have greatly improved the situation. Fauci himself just said that Trump said nothing that went against what he was told. He also did 90% of what the CDC suggested. He didn't muzzle the CDC people under him, and let them say what they felt like needed to be said. As for Biden doing more, that is simply BS. He would not have shut off travel to China.. He made that perfectly clear when Trump did it. The single biggest thing that could have been done to save lives is 5 Democratic Governors not pushing Covid positive people into nursing homes. That one change would have saved thousands and possibly 10's of thousands of lives.
title of thread should change to “Trump nuthuggers, spin away”
Only causing people to fear coronavirus and take better precautions would have saved lives.
This is his entire 2020 re-election strategy.
Only causing people to fear coronavirus and take better precautions would have saved lives.
So this post is an example of his base. Absolutely no accountability to Trump. Completely brainwashed and gas lighted. It really is astounding to me how people believe this crap and actually vote against their own best interest.
Goodknightfl is honestly stupider than dog shit.
He has never shown and ounce of critical thinking.
The only thing I can come up with is the fact that he inhaled massive amounts of aerosolized lead since he's a boomer, due to tetraethyl being added to gas as an antiknock agent until it was banned in the 70's.
It's probably why the boomer generation is the dumbest in American history. Their parents (greatest generation) weren't exposed to nearly as much lead during their formative years, given wartime shortages and how much rarer automobiles were
But the boomers grew up in back seats of carbureted cars with no AC, which means windows down inhaling lead from the exhaust.
I haven't heard a counter to it yet.
Lead pipes most likely contributed to the downfall of the Roman Empire, and it's looking like history is repeating itself.
the levels were unlikely high enough to be harmful, ruling out tap water as a major culprit in Rome's demise
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