If B12 Expands this Year, We're Out
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Fuente and Lynch are gone after this season, and you'll have regular old Memphis again.
Because not only are we in a large market, we've shown that while playing against P5 opponents, we carry this market. Please. Stop. Posting. You're embarrassing all of us. You don't have any idea what you're talking about and your posts read like YouTube comments, meaning they are nothing more than visceral reactions to stimuli without any higher level thought put into them.
If you think a single bad season somehow removes us from B12 consideration, you need to talk less, read more, and maybe take some time out of your day to do Soduku or crosswords in the hopes of staving off that mental decline you're clearly exhibiting.
Huh, that's weird, because I'm looking at the NCAA records for past seasons, and there's no asterisks. It's almost as if, I dunno, you're just making sh*t up because you don't have any idea what you're talking.
Or anyone, for that matter. Weird you'd leave that out, almost as if you have no intention of presenting an honest argument and instead just think it's more important for you to be 'right' than to be 'accurate'.
Utah to the Pac in 2011. TCU to the Big 12 in 2011. That doesnt sound like anyone for that matter.
Those deals were inked while we were in CUSA, swing and a miss.
If We were such a slam dunk deal after 2013 then where was the invite? If we didn't get an invite then then we sure as hell won't get one after 0-12 you crap for brains. Logic escapes your delusional mind.
Don't listen to this clown anymore. He looks at everything through his gold and black glasses.
Once GOL is gone and hopefully sooner than later, we won't have to read crap from his employees K_L, UCF08, Eng and BS again.
When did I say we were a slam dunk deal after 2013? When did I say we'd get an invite being 0-12? All I've said is that you're an imbecile if you think winning matters as much as controlling television markets and a teams geography does. Please, stop posting. You're an embarrassment to our University, and each word that comes out of your mouth further devalues my degrees from UCF. Your posts consistently have nothing to do with anything the person you're responding to said, and instead seem like arguments you're having completely within your own head.
Seek help, or shut up.
Your own peers in this board have called you out. You are the one who needs help.
And yes winning matters just as much and more than tv markets you pea brain. A program isn't profitable if it doesn't have a fan base and it doesn't have a fan base if they don't WIN. Comprende retard?
Name a single team which has gotten a bid to a P5 conference without a large market or specific geographic locations, because neither Maryland nor Rutgers had any outstanding success yet were invited to arguably the most profitable conference in the nation, and Missouri certainly didn't either.
Of course winning helps, no one would ever argue otherwise as it does tend to help all sorts of actual metrics they do look at (TV viewership, attendance, etc). The point is that the idea you can win your way into a P5 conference is ludicrous. It's purely a financial proposition for them to expand and add teams, and the win/loss ratio by itself is about as important as the team colors. Again, you're making a fool of yourself, and you should really stop. You've yet to refute anything I've said, I've provided ample examples which support what I've said, and at this point it's sort of like kicking a dead horse. Except by now, the horse would have actually found the brainpower to stop arguing your position.
THEY WERE ALREADY IN THE POWER 5. Is Morgantown a huge tv Market? Is college station for the SEC? TAMU and West Virginia are successful viable programs with a large following. UCF do not deliver their TV market, they don't have a loyal fanbase and they are not nationally successful compared to the most recent G5 programs who got promoted. Why are you so stubborn to acknowledge that?
You are such an imbecile tool. You have yet to answer me as to why Temple wouldn't get a power 5 invite since philly > Orlando/Tampa market? Because it doesn't fit your little black and gold rose colored glass narrative. That's why.
Win/Loss doesn't matter, butts in the seats don't matter. If they did then ECU and Southern Miss would have move up years ago. TV $$$ rule college athletics. TV market is the only thing that matters. Do you really think that USF and UCF were selected by the Big East because of wins or attendance? How about Boise State? If wins and attendance counted for squat then they would have moved up to the PAC10 or the Big12 several years ago.
Are you joking? Then temple is a sure fire power 5 invite. How about NYU starts a football program? USF and UCF were selected because they were the best options available to them. Lol ecu and southern miss. What have they won? Try again
Also why didn't USF or UCF get an ACC invite over Louisville? Surely there's more money in the Tampa/Orlando market no? Lol it's because Louisville has a viable football and basketball program with a loyal fanbase which brings in VIEWERS. No one wants to watch UCF in person much less on TV making them a mediocre option for expansion.
The saddest thing about this season is makes USF that much more attractive to a power conference.
USF's athetlics department at least had the foresight to purchase them pink uniform accessories for cancer awareness month which is helping their morale and recruiting.
Meanwhile we look like Penn State in the 1940's.
Our roster is set up to be a winning team for a couple of more years. Fuente didn't stop recruiting like West did at the end of his career and Porter whiffed on his targets a lot causing us to have 56 scholarship players.
We are back to the full 82 scholarship limit and 3 capable QBs to run the offense with the majority of receivers and offensive line coming back. Plus our administration is geared more to competing in football than the previous one.
People who believe Fuente will leave after this year is a done deal don't know anything. He leaves Memphis if the job offering is the right fit. Memphis has already decided to match whatever offer especially with the extra money we don't have to pay Pastner next year.
South Carolina will not overpay for any of their 3 main targets which are Herman, Smart, and Fuente. This is a an excerpt from their 247 board.
South Carolina will not overpay for any of their 3 main targets which are Herman, Smart, and Fuente. This is a an excerpt from their 247 board.
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But, I have, shockingly enough you just failed to read it. Temple doesn't carry the Philadelphia market. At all. UCF does carry a significant portion of our market when we're playing P5 competition. You're just going in circles, looking like an idiot.
When have we carried the market when head to head with FL, FSU, or UM games? Not much to carry when a solo weekday game.
Notice what you're doing now, you're not focusing on the poor record, but are focusing on having a 'large following', delivering a 'TV market', and having a 'loyal fanbase'. All of these arguments are what we intelligent people would consider economic arguments, meaning they have a tangible effect on the possible return on investment a conference can expect when adding a team into the conference. This is called moving the goalposts, in which you are trying to change the argument from the argument we were having to one in which you have a more valid claim. You're doing this ostensibly because it's obvious your original claim that a poor season will ruin our chance at expansion is ludicrous, and I give you credit for understanding that.
But at this point, you're actually agreeing with my point; simply that a teams record and level of success by itself plays a very small role in it's admission into a P5 conference, or a better P5 conference. It's unfortunate you don't realize that you're agreeing with me, but I would be lying if I said I was at all surprised.
We had more viewers when playing USC than FSU did while playing Clemson that same day IIRC. And it's important to note, by carrying the market I don't necessarily mean we have to have the most viewers, just that we carry a significant percentage of viewers.
EDIT: I was mistaken on the game, but we per Sportsmediawatch outperformed FSU vs. Boston College, also on ABC at 3:30pm (3.2 to 2.8 million), we outperformed USF vs. Miami on ESPNU (3.2 to .8 million) and outperformed Florida vs. Kentucky on ESPNU (3.2 to .94 million). In fact, the only games which outperformed us that day were LSU vs. UGA, Wisconsin vs. Ohio State, Oklahoma vs. Notre Dame, and Mississippi vs. Alabama.
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For the most part i'm with you but ECU and Southern Miss shouldve been in a big conference long ago. Southern Miss has made some bad decisions just like we're doing and its set them back. We should learn from them. Our hugger fans are probably thinking look what they did getting rid of Bower....so dont get rid of GOL because our program can get worse. That means there is something fundamentally wrong with us then if we have to rely on GOL for everything.
I think ECU had one bad season 14 or 15 years and its unfair how theyve been perceived but they have fan support. Unfortunately they're saturated with ACC and SEC teams. Guess how they've represented the American? Five straight wins over the ACC....and theyre 4-4! I know we beat BC in 2011 and still had a losing season, but why cant we (and all our conference mates) try to do that on a regular basis? Even when we have an experienced line up we still lose against P5 teams. GOL sticking around will not improve that as he nor his mouthpiece BS, 08, ENG, Matty and K_L dont care about that stat. They think winning trophies when the conference is having a down year is good enough.
New coaching poll rankings as of 10/25
Memphis 16th, Houston 19th, Temple 22nd. At this time last year ECU may have been in the Top 25 last year but lost to Temple. UCF was done since Ireland.
This is how a conference is perceived when we are winning OOC games not just versus the P5, but against the G5 as well.
All without spending a single penny on a new football stadium....but glad the Liberty Bowl hired a new cleaning crew.*
G5 teams have additional criteria to be met when realignment is discussed. Its been mentioned in the pay boards too. Success on the field is very important otherwise the public perception will be who is this program?You notice the overwhelming success of TCU and Utah? Thats the requirement.
Yep and filled it to 60,000 last Saturday. Tiger Lane has become an awesome place to tailgate since Bowen installed concerts and other events. Can't wait to see what the administration does for Saturday.
Maybe not NYU but that's why Rutgers is in the Big10. Louisville and Syracuse got in ACC because of their basketball program. The ACC has always been basketball first. However, Pitt got in solely on TV market.
...and i think thats the conspiracy in college football. You got invited to the Big East's last year although your football team did nothing and your basketball team hasnt been the same since Coach Cal took you to the finals. We had to upgrade all our facilities before being looked at.
Yet you get Fuentes, the program is taking off and for some reason now conference realignment is back on the books.
Our program can get worse? What are they going to do, give us negative wins? Double losses? Take wins away from other past or future seasons?
Wait until your 0-12 is followed by a 1-11 and a 2-12. That is just what happened to Southern Miss. After beating the crap out of 6th ranked Houston and winning the conference championship, we hired Ellis Johnson. His only HC coach was a dismal season at mighty Citadel(sp).
We are just coming out of it, but so much about the program tradition was pissed away.
