Illegal Alien kills NFL Player in DUI Accident

[UCFWayne]

The only thing I personally have mentioned in this is about DACA & Dreamers, which as you and I both know, means that the very mass majority of them had no idea or no choice that they were about to break a law.

I may be liberal - but I'm not someone who just follows blindly what other people say and think. I think a lot of my liberal friends are absolutely hilarious and frustrate me just as much as any hardcore conservative out there. I know how to empathize with people, regardless of whether I agree with them or not and can usually understand where they are coming from (usually).

85 - you on the other hand have absolutely no ability in doing that. I'd venture to say you're one of the worst on here because while other people like reddice and chemmie are over the top - they know it. You think you're the almighty answer and your way has to be right.

95% of the political threads on here are started by the "Trump Supporters" Group and then inside each of those threads you all circle jerk each other and whine until Ninja or Ace pops in, which is followed by 5 more posts by you, Bob or Wayne all talking like your sh!t don't stank.

Why don't you all go on and just be happy with your lives, you're all successful people, living happy lives, right? Why don't y'all act that way. K? Great.

/endgayrant

i actually enjoy talking with you, ace, and other liberals. i think we can have productive conversations at times. i dont enjoy talking to chemmie, ninja, or mac because they are leftists and dont seem capable of anything but talking leftist party lines.

 

[NinjaKnight]

i actually enjoy talking with you, ace, and other liberals. i think we can have productive conversations at times. i dont enjoy talking to chemmie, ninja, or mac because they are leftists and dont seem capable of anything but talking leftist party lines.

Actually you don't like talking to me because I point out how butthole stupid your analogies are.

Also for the record bq nailed it, 85 is the ultimate whiny bitch on here.

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

I think things aren't as black and white as you're making them out to be, which is why it's so difficult to get things done.

Yes, in the case of DACA, I do think there should be a path to citizenship. These people were brought here either under false pretenses or under no choice and have integrated into society, the most un-American thing you can do to them is just kick them out.

You keep bringing this up like the DACA folks getting deported is a real threat. They aren't going anywhere. They will be given a path to citizenship. Trump has said as much and 70% of the country agree. Enough fear mongering over DACA.

 

[UCFWayne]

Actually you don't like talking to me because I point out how butthole stupid your analogies are.

Also for the record bq nailed it, 85 is the ultimate whiny bitch on here.

they only thing you are good at is making fun of people and getting into endless rants with 85.

 

[bqknight]

You keep bringing this up like the DACA folks getting deported is a real threat. They aren't going anywhere. They will be given a path to citizenship. Trump has said as much and 70% of the country agree. Enough fear mongering over DACA.

Prior to DACA, it was. Now that DACA is in place, or was in place, I agree with you.

The issue here with it sitting in limbo is it adds a crazy amount of stress to those who had it, who would no longer have it shortly. Not just the fear of being deported (which I agree would likely not happen) but for the fact that they wouldn't legally be allowed to work here anymore. They couldn't get paid.

With all due respect, sitting here as an American citizen, it may not seem like a huge deal but to these people it actually effects, it's not an easy thing to live with, at all.

 

[UCFWayne]

Prior to DACA, it was. Now that DACA is in place, or was in place, I agree with you.

The issue here with it sitting in limbo is it adds a crazy amount of stress to those who had it, who would no longer have it shortly. Not just the fear of being deported (which I agree would likely not happen) but for the fact that they wouldn't legally be allowed to work here anymore. They couldn't get paid.

With all due respect, sitting here as an American citizen, it may not seem like a huge deal but to these people it actually effects, it's not an easy thing to live with, at all.

its a tough position for those folks to be in no doubt

what are your thoughts on trumps actual plan? do you think daca people are in favor of it? i mean thats a pretty big jump i who is eligible. is there any back lash at the democrats for not at least trying to compromise?

 

[UCFKnight85]

Actually you don't like talking to me because I point out how butthole stupid your analogies are.

Also for the record bq nailed it, 85 is the ultimate whiny bitch on here.

lol this coming from the most insufferable prick on the board. Chemmie is a delight to talk to compared to you. Moron.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Prior to DACA, it was. Now that DACA is in place, or was in place, I agree with you.

The issue here with it sitting in limbo is it adds a crazy amount of stress to those who had it, who would no longer have it shortly. Not just the fear of being deported (which I agree would likely not happen) but for the fact that they wouldn't legally be allowed to work here anymore. They couldn't get paid.

With all due respect, sitting here as an American citizen, it may not seem like a huge deal but to these people it actually effects, it's not an easy thing to live with, at all.

You do realize that "DACA" as it existed in the form of Executive Action was unconstitutional, yes? It was already thrown out in Federal Court and headed to a total strike down in the Supreme Court.

It never actually legally existed. It was put in place, knowingly, by the Obama Admin as a total overreach of Executive Power.

Trump simply recognized that this EO was illegal to begin with and put it back to where it belongs- with Congress.

 

[sk8knight]

I think things aren't as black and white as you're making them out to be, which is why it's so difficult to get things done.

Yes, in the case of DACA, I do think there should be a path to citizenship. These people were brought here either under false pretenses or under no choice and have integrated into society, the most un-American thing you can do to them is just kick them out.

I’m okay with a path to citizenship for dreamers as part of closing up some of the gaps that caused them to be here in the first place. Without that we are just encouraging more people to take the risk and put their children into the same tough situation as your husband. That path should not be instant citizenship for all of them. Maybe those who have gone through what would be expected in a legal immigration should be granted legal citizenship. Perhaps a visa or green card for the rest and they get in line where they would be if they’d started at their entry.

When it comes down to it, I think we can agree that America doesn’t have a legal responsibility to grant them citizenship. Just like we don’t have a legal responsibility to be charitable. Many of us are charitable on a number of levels, though, because at the heart the vast majority of Americans are good people. Similarly, I think we can find a way to legalize their migration without also being unfair to both citizens and those going through the process legally, who we do have a responsibility towards.

 

[UCFWayne]

lol this coming from the most insufferable prick on the board. Chemmie is a delight to talk to compared to you. Moron.

chemmie in the dungeon is actually great to talk with. mac mostly just trolls here which is fine

 

[chemmie]

chemmie in the dungeon is actually great to talk with. mac mostly just trolls here which is fine

I'm always great to talk with, unless you're an idiot who gets triggered and blocks people.

 

[NinjaKnight]

lol this coming from the most insufferable prick on the board. Chemmie is a delight to talk to compared to you. Moron.

Oh look, yet another post consisting soley of ad hominems. What a surprise. Why don't you come back to the computer thread and insult me more there? Too embarrassed?

I know it's embarrassing when I call you out on your fantasy land posts. But it's kind of funny. I keep thinking one day you will realize how it all works, but I guess I'm overestimating your reasoning skills.

 

[UCFKnight85]

Oh look, yet another post consisting soley of ad hominems. What a surprise. Why don't you come back to the computer thread and insult me more there? Too embarrassed?

I know it's embarrassing when I call you out on your fantasy land posts. But it's kind of funny. I keep thinking one day you will realize how it all works, but I guess I'm overestimating your reasoning skills.

LOL

I’ve said this before and I stand behind it- you have a problem. You truly need some professional help and possibly a full psych eval. You’re so full of rage when being owned in debates that you’re in over your head on. It can’t be good for your long term well being.

 

[NinjaKnight]

LOL

I’ve said this before and I stand behind it- you have a problem. You truly need some professional help and possibly a full psych eval. You’re so full of rage when being owned in debates that you’re in over your head on. It can’t be good for your long term well being.

Lulz dude I'm having a good ol time pointing out your ignorance. The only person bro raging here is you, and always as been. You have a history of these episodes, probably steroid induced. But I'm not an MD so I wouldn't pretend to claim someone needs a "full psych eval" (lmao) based on an internet message board.

Can you at least explain to me how you can possibly be "owning" me in debates, when literally all you do is post ad hominem after ad hominem?

For example this quoted post is the 5th consecutive post where all you have done is attack me, while ignoring my position (that computer were not the only blame for the stock market dip).

 

[rediceknight]

I may be liberal - but I'm not someone who just follows blindly what other people say and think. I think a lot of my liberal friends are absolutely hilarious and frustrate me just as much as any hardcore conservative out there.

 

[fabknight]

I think a cage fight between Ninja and 85 would be awesome...I'd even settle for 6 rounds of boxing. Wayne could referee the match.

 

[UCFWayne]

I think a cage fight between Ninja and 85 would be awesome...I'd even settle for 6 rounds of boxing. Wayne could referee the match.

i love the idea

 

[UCF11and1]

I’m okay with a path to citizenship for dreamers as part of closing up some of the gaps that caused them to be here in the first place. Without that we are just encouraging more people to take the risk and put their children into the same tough situation as your husband. That path should not be instant citizenship for all of them. Maybe those who have gone through what would be expected in a legal immigration should be granted legal citizenship. Perhaps a visa or green card for the rest and they get in line where they would be if they’d started at their entry.

When it comes down to it, I think we can agree that America doesn’t have a legal responsibility to grant them citizenship. Just like we don’t have a legal responsibility to be charitable. Many of us are charitable on a number of levels, though, because at the heart the vast majority of Americans are good people. Similarly, I think we can find a way to legalize their migration without also being unfair to both citizens and those going through the process legally, who we do have a responsibility towards.

Congress should create a visa category for the Dreamers with the stipulation that it is for kids already here (or maybe limit it to people that got here 2, 3 or 5 years ago). They can keep it until they are 25, at which point they have to show the following to get a green card: 1) no felonies 2) armed forces service or college degree (technical school ok too) and 3) present tax returns to show they are not a charge to society.

If they don't meet the 3 requirements, deport them. By now they are grown and can get a job at their original country with the advantage that they speak perfect English and should have a US college or technical degree. They didn't grow up there? tough shit

 

[Bob the Citronaut]

Congress should create a visa category for the Dreamers with the stipulation that it is for kids already here (or maybe limit it to people that got here 2, 3 or 5 years ago). They can keep it until they are 25, at which point they have to show the following to get a green card: 1) no felonies 2) armed forces service or college degree (technical school ok too) and 3) present tax returns to show they are not a charge to society.

If they don't meet the 3 requirements, deport them. By now they are grown and can get a job at their original country with the advantage that they speak perfect English and should have a US college or technical degree. They didn't grow up there? tough shit

That's racist.

 

[UCFWayne]

Congress should create a visa category for the Dreamers with the stipulation that it is for kids already here (or maybe limit it to people that got here 2, 3 or 5 years ago). They can keep it until they are 25, at which point they have to show the following to get a green card: 1) no felonies 2) armed forces service or college degree (technical school ok too) and 3) present tax returns to show they are not a charge to society.

If they don't meet the 3 requirements, deport them. By now they are grown and can get a job at their original country with the advantage that they speak perfect English and should have a US college or technical degree. They didn't grow up there? tough shit

i think thats a solid plan and shows commitment to better themselves and their communities, but you most certainly are a racist*

 

[bqknight]

Congress should create a visa category for the Dreamers with the stipulation that it is for kids already here (or maybe limit it to people that got here 2, 3 or 5 years ago). They can keep it until they are 25, at which point they have to show the following to get a green card: 1) no felonies 2) armed forces service or college degree (technical school ok too) and 3) present tax returns to show they are not a charge to society.

If they don't meet the 3 requirements, deport them. By now they are grown and can get a job at their original country with the advantage that they speak perfect English and should have a US college or technical degree. They didn't grow up there? tough shit

Uhhh...no. First off, you already have to have no felonies to get DACA or any sort of legal status here. Two, there are plenty of people who are beyond the age of college and have careers already and/or cannot afford to go to college. Third, I wouldn't be opposed of having to show you are at least looking for work/have been working.

 

[UCFWayne]

Uhhh...no. First off, you already have to have no felonies to get DACA or any sort of legal status here. Two, there are plenty of people who are beyond the age of college and have careers already and/or cannot afford to go to college. Third, I wouldn't be opposed of having to show you are at least looking for work/have been working.

so what is the problem with making it a requirement that they dont commit any felonies while in the daca program?

what is the problem with making sure they are trying to get further education or find work while in the daca program?

 

[bqknight]

so what is the problem with making it a requirement that they dont commit any felonies while in the daca program?

what is the problem with making sure they are trying to get further education or find work while in the daca program?

It is a requirement, that's my point. My issue with how 11and1 outlined it is, it's not needed. It's just adding more stress to an already stressful process. Not to mention incredibly expensive. I'm not exactly sure how some people will even be able to pay for Green Cards.

I also said I have no issue with them requiring that you at least have been working/are looking for work. Don't think a college education should be a requirement when a lot of citizens don't even go through college.

 

[UCFWayne]

It is a requirement, that's my point. My issue with how 11and1 outlined it is, it's not needed. It's just adding more stress to an already stressful process. Not to mention incredibly expensive. I'm not exactly sure how some people will even be able to pay for Green Cards.

I also said I have no issue with them requiring that you at least have been working/are looking for work. Don't think a college education should be a requirement when a lot of citizens don't even go through college.

didnt realize that was already a requirement. i think both sides can agree on the dreamers needing to abide by our rules. if they are convicted of a felony do they get automatically deported? i would think that should be a requirement.

i have an idea for how they can pay for it, having a job.

as far as the college thing goes, i agree, it shouldnt be a requirement. however, i think you should have a job or be going to school (trade or traditional 4 year). that shows you are motivated and want to integrate into our society.

 

[bqknight]

didnt realize that was already a requirement. i think both sides can agree on the dreamers needing to abide by our rules. if they are convicted of a felony do they get automatically deported? i would think that should be a requirement.

i have an idea for how they can pay for it, having a job.

as far as the college thing goes, i agree, it shouldnt be a requirement. however, i think you should have a job or be going to school (trade or traditional 4 year). that shows you are motivated and want to integrate into our society.

Of course it's a requirement. If you got a felony while on current DACA, yes you would be deported. How the current green card system works is you're typically approved for a conditional green card - in which if you got a felony during that point, it likely wouldn't get renewed. It depends on if they would eventually give DACA recipients a path to citizenship or just permanent resident status forever. Once my husband finally gets his green card (it's been almost year and we're still waiting for our interview), he gets it for 2 or 3 years and then when he renews, he can apply for citizenship since he's married to me.

Just because you have a job doesn't mean you can afford it. It's cost us over $4,000 this time around to go through everything. We both have good jobs but that's a large chunk of change.

 

[UCFWayne]

Just because you have a job doesn't mean you can afford it. It's cost us over $4,000 this time around to go through everything. We both have good jobs but that's a large chunk of change.

and i will contend that it needs to be expensive so that only those that truly want it will go after it. people tend to value things that are harder to obtain more

 

[UCFWayne]

@bqknight i think we are having a good conversation here. what do you say we start calling each other names endlessly?

 

[bqknight]

@bqknight i think we are having a good conversation here. what do you say we start calling each other names endlessly?

LOL.

To your above comment about it will make people who only truly want it get it. That's silly IMO. I'm not saying it should be easy to get but having someone funnel a LARGE sum of money into it is NOT the answer. Most of these people will likely be in their 20's, a time where money is okay but still not great. The last thing you want is for them to get into financial troubles. That's setting them up for failure and can make people make bad decisions that are completely unnecessary.

 

[Knight_Light]

For those that enter our country illegally, it's not asking much for them to not be convicted of at least on felony while they go thru their DACA status.

I'm sure 96% of them haven't committed felonies so they won't be bothered by this so called requirement (bottom of the barrel standards..."please don't commit a felony...you know, just like most American Citizens don't do").

 

[UCF11and1]

Uhhh...no. First off, you already have to have no felonies to get DACA or any sort of legal status here. Two, there are plenty of people who are beyond the age of college and have careers already and/or cannot afford to go to college. Third, I wouldn't be opposed of having to show you are at least looking for work/have been working.

1) The requirement is to stay clean until 25 to get the green card (you have to show GMC or good moral character to become a citizen anyway), 2) nobody is beyond the age of college but I also included military service, technical school. There could be a requirement to be gainfully employed or something similar. 3) yes, you are here illegally and have an opportunity to get legal status. Show you are worthy.

 

[UCFWayne]

LOL.

To your above comment about it will make people who only truly want it get it. That's silly IMO. I'm not saying it should be easy to get but having someone funnel a LARGE sum of money into it is NOT the answer. Most of these people will likely be in their 20's, a time where money is okay but still not great. The last thing you want is for them to get into financial troubles. That's setting them up for failure and can make people make bad decisions that are completely unnecessary.

i see your point, its a fine line. but i think we are trying to attract the best of the best, and they will find a way.

 

[UCF11and1]

Of course it's a requirement. If you got a felony while on current DACA, yes you would be deported. How the current green card system works is you're typically approved for a conditional green card - in which if you got a felony during that point, it likely wouldn't get renewed. It depends on if they would eventually give DACA recipients a path to citizenship or just permanent resident status forever. Once my husband finally gets his green card (it's been almost year and we're still waiting for our interview), he gets it for 2 or 3 years and then when he renews, he can apply for citizenship since he's married to me.

Just because you have a job doesn't mean you can afford it. It's cost us over $4,000 this time around to go through everything. We both have good jobs but that's a large chunk of change.

How is he getting a green card? the conditional green card is mainly for people that become legal residents by marriage and have to come back after a year (maybe 2, not sure) for an interview and become LPR. If they are married to a US citizen, they can apply for naturalization after 3 years (don't know if they allow gay marriage for that).
Unless it is a complicated case, you shouldn't need to spend $4,000:
I-130 Petition for Alien Relative = $420
I–485 Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status =$985
I did all my paperwork myself but in your case it may not be an option

 

[bqknight]

How is he getting a green card? the conditional green card is mainly for people that become legal residents by marriage and have to come back after a year (maybe 2, not sure) for an interview and become LPR. If they are married to a US citizen, they can apply for naturalization after 3 years (don't know if they allow gay marriage for that).
Unless it is a complicated case, you shouldn't need to spend $4,000:
I-130 Petition for Alien Relative = $420
I–485 Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status =$985
I did all my paperwork myself but in your case it may not be an option

He's getting his Green Card through marriage, to me? He's a Visa overstay - so he came into the country legally, which means he doesn't need to leave in order to receive it.

You're right in that those are MOST of the fees. You still have biometrics in there but this is on top of paying $500 every couple years for DACA (sometimes they give you 2 years, sometimes 3). We also got a lawyer because if you mess up your paperwork, it's going to shoot you in the foot big time.

Yes, he can apply for naturalization in 3 years. Because gay marriage is the same as straight marriage.....

 

[UCF11and1]

He's getting his Green Card through marriage, to me? He's a Visa overstay - so he came into the country legally, which means he doesn't need to leave in order to receive it.

You're right in that those are MOST of the fees. You still have biometrics in there but this is on top of paying $500 every couple years for DACA (sometimes they give you 2 years, sometimes 3). We also got a lawyer because if you mess up your paperwork, it's going to shoot you in the foot big time.

Yes, he can apply for naturalization in 3 years. Because gay marriage is the same as straight marriage.....

Ok.
(I remember also having to pay for an Employment Authorization Document ~$500). Then they'll get you for $700 to go from the conditional to the regular green card and they just increase the fee for naturalization ~$1000. At least they don't charge for parking

 

[bqknight]

Ok.
(I remember also having to pay for an Employment Authorization Document ~$500). Then they'll get you for $700 to go from the conditional to the regular green card and they just increase the fee for naturalization ~$1000. At least they don't charge for parking

Yet*

 

[UCF11and1]

That's racist.

Why? I said "their original country" not "the shithole they came from" **

 

[Knight In TN]

You mean blue states? Imagine that. Obama deported more "brown people" than anyone before him. Where was the faux rage then?

I read an article the other day about a 60-70 year old Jordanian man who was just sent back after 40 years in the US. Lots of anti-Trump statements from both him and a lot of editorializing in the article.

But then buried in the later part of the article it mentioned that his deportation order was issued in 2009.

 

[UCFBS]

i actually enjoy talking with you, ace, and other liberals. i think we can have productive conversations at times. i dont enjoy talking to chemmie, ninja, or mac because they are leftists and dont seem capable of anything but talking leftist party lines.

Agreed.

That's why I differentiate what I call "Progressive" viewpoints and "Liberal" viewpoints.

Liberals agree there are issues with some undocumented residents, and they should be addressed separately, all while preserving their "everyone deserves a chance" consideration for other undocumented residents.

I can respect that. It's a good argument, even if I have some disagreement, it's logical.

Progressives use the classic, bleeding heart argument for every, negative situation, and continually go against logic with the clear statistics on how bad it's getting with untrackable, criminal, undocumented residents ... as if saying there is a single issue with undocument residency will undo all ... even legal refugees, who they equate as the same. They are incapable of realizing what damage this is doing to even the law-abiding, undocument resisdents, let alone legal refugees.

That is the stalwart, Progressive counter to the stalwart, Neo-Con counter, "They already broke the law by becoming illegal aliens." Both of them are too hardlined to make any sense with.

The President made a very non-PC statement, that basically the US needs to stop being the destination for everyone, especially everyone not even our own allies will allow in ... or even ask us to solve for them. It's non-PC, totally inconsiderate, but like everything Trump says, there's a modicum of truth, amplified by frustration, to the point it misses the mark, hard.

Americans are tired of the Progressives bleeding everything where it shouldn't go, and even the Liberals of this country -- like myself who actually believe in 'open borders' (with the counter 'fraud makes you an illegal, not merely crossing the border') -- are tired of the Progressives causing more backlash.

 

[UCFBS]

I read an article the other day about a 60-70 year old Jordanian man who was just sent back after 40 years in the US. Lots of anti-Trump statements from both him and a lot of editorializing in the article.
But then buried in the later part of the article it mentioned that his deportation order was issued in 2009.

Obama was far, far more effective at deportations than Trump. The anti-Trump backlash is making DHS, CBP and INS' jobs impossible, and has caused the courts to take defense of even the indefensible that would have life imprisonment if they were an American citizen.

Right now is the best time to be organized crime running drugs, guns and people.