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Seemed liek that was consensus but the Tampa media are reporting that "Buc management" isn't so sure he's a great NFL prospect and may be leaning towards trading the 1st pick. I guess they aren't really sold on Winston either, or dont' want to deal with his crap.

Mariota looked great but it's hard to tell since that Oregon system is different than most NFL systems.
 
Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Seemed liek that was consensus but the Tampa media are reporting that "Buc management" isn't so sure he's a great NFL prospect and may be leaning towards trading the 1st pick. I guess they aren't really sold on Winston either, or dont' want to deal with his crap.

Mariota looked great but it's hard to tell since that Oregon system is different than most NFL systems.
Elite? No. But, in my opinion, neither is Jameis. This draft class sucks overall (IMHO). There are a few standouts, but I've been hopeful since the day we learned that the Bucs would have the #1 pick that there would be a partner so that we could trade down a few spots and grab a good OL or DE (OL would be my preference). I don't at all like McCown or Glennon, but behind a line of guys that can actually fog a window with their mouth (unlike this year's group) they may actually be serviceable enough with Jackson and Evans (and possibly throw in a healthy Seffarian-Jenkins and a healthy Doug Martin). I'm not sold on Sims as the workhorse RB, but Martin has to stay healthy.
 
Originally posted by EweSeaEff:


Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Seemed liek that was consensus but the Tampa media are reporting that "Buc management" isn't so sure he's a great NFL prospect and may be leaning towards trading the 1st pick. I guess they aren't really sold on Winston either, or dont' want to deal with his crap.

Mariota looked great but it's hard to tell since that Oregon system is different than most NFL systems.
Elite? No. But, in my opinion, neither is Jameis. This draft class sucks overall (IMHO). There are a few standouts, but I've been hopeful since the day we learned that the Bucs would have the #1 pick that there would be a partner so that we could trade down a few spots and grab a good OL or DE (OL would be my preference). I don't at all like McCown or Glennon, but behind a line of guys that can actually fog a window with their mouth (unlike this year's group) they may actually be serviceable enough with Jackson and Evans (and possibly throw in a healthy Seffarian-Jenkins and a healthy Doug Martin). I'm not sold on Sims as the workhorse RB, but Martin has to stay healthy.
As much as I really dont' like McCown or Glennon, it's hard to say everything was a disaster with them since the Bucs lost 9 games by 1 score or less. 9 games! And the defense was essentially a MASH unit for the last 4-5 games.

I'm kind of leaning towards taking an OL or DE as well.

I watched Mariota and he doesn't strike me as the "NFL tools" kind of guy that can be a big success. He doesn't at all resemble a Rogers, Brady, Luck, Flacco, etc
 
I don't know if he is or he isn't but listening to the bucs or ANY NFL team right now is going to get you no where...even the colts wouldn't agree to drafting Andrew luck even though everyone and my dead grandma knew they were drafting luck...

heres the thing...what if the bucs don't want to draft him, but the titans do...how much would the titans be willing to give up to make sure the bucs don't trade the pick away to anyone else? The titans need a QB, but so do the jets at 6. so who is going to give me more to move up...

and since they put the rookie salary cap in place it is much easier to move up...

in the end system QBs can learn the NFL but they take more time than many fans and coaches are willing to give
 
Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:
I don't really see it. Jokes aside the Bucs have to and will take Winston.
I dunno. The Bucs spent alot of time these past years purging "problems" in the locker room, even if it meant ditching great talent. Talib and Blount were great players but they got rid of them anyways.

Winston is good but he does potentially bring alot of baggage.
 
Mariota needs a sit at least 1 full season and learn situation. The team that drafts him must be all in to adapt to him to make the transition easier while Jameis can be plugged in just about any NFL offense. Winston is a more NFL ready prospect than Bortles was last year
 
Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:
I don't really see it. Jokes aside the Bucs have to and will take Winston.
I dunno. The Bucs spent alot of time these past years purging "problems" in the locker room, even if it meant ditching great talent. Talib and Blount were great players but they got rid of them anyways.

Winston is good but he does potentially bring alot of baggage.

Well then we don't take a QB bc it's not gonna be Marcus. So now you're sitting at #1 needing a QB but won't take one. Who's gonna be willing to trade up?

The off-field stuff with Winston is well known and there's not much to add. I trust those who say he's a great leader on the field, players look up to him, and his football IQ is off the charts. If that's the case, and the Bucs believe it, then if they can convince themselves that most of his issues have been immature dumbassery and believe he's ready to grow up then you take him. Some people don't believe that and I'm not gonna argue. We'll just wait and see. I think Lovie is the right guy for him.
 
Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:

Originally posted by UCFKnight85:

Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:
I don't really see it. Jokes aside the Bucs have to and will take Winston.
I dunno. The Bucs spent alot of time these past years purging "problems" in the locker room, even if it meant ditching great talent. Talib and Blount were great players but they got rid of them anyways.

Winston is good but he does potentially bring alot of baggage.

Well then we don't take a QB bc it's not gonna be Marcus. So now you're sitting at #1 needing a QB but won't take one. Who's gonna be willing to trade up?

The off-field stuff with Winston is well known and there's not much to add. I trust those who say he's a great leader on the field, players look up to him, and his football IQ is off the charts. If that's the case, and the Bucs believe it, then if they can convince themselves that most of his issues have been immature dumbassery and believe he's ready to grow up then you take him. Some people don't believe that and I'm not gonna argue. We'll just wait and see. I think Lovie is the right guy for him.
I would agree with you if everyone in the NFL wasn't currently looking at the Cleveland/Maziel debacle and saying "Thank God that's not us".
 
Originally posted by Poolside Knight:
Mariota needs a sit at least 1 full season and learn situation. The team that drafts him must be all in to adapt to him to make the transition easier while Jameis can be plugged in just about any NFL offense. Winston is a more NFL ready prospect than Bortles was last year
I don't think Winston is more NFL ready. He threw 18 picks last year and struggled both to start games and when pressured in the pocket. Which is a problem for him with a team like the Bucs because they are weak at OL and are going to need strong starts where the defense can settle in. FSU as a team wasn't nearly as dominant on offense, and the lack of the Kelvin Benjamin safety blanket showed in poorer performance. I truly believe that, if you put Blake behind that line with those weapons, he has better numbers last year. Also is a much more mature and mentally ready QB as well.
 
I am not a FSU fan...
But Mariotta is better than Jameis...

But I think Jameis has the better upside to be a better QB in a 3 to 5 year stretch, but he needs to improve mentally on the field..

Mariotta has better skill set today..

But in Madden terms.. Potential I give Mariotta a 83 or 85 max. Jameis remember this is Potential has a 88-91

The prime of most QB's is 5 years into the NFL to the 9th year..

Penn St QB has most potential, but he is a big project..

Best QB no one talks about. Oregon St's Mannion. He is a project. He reminds me a Mix of a better Kolb, and Foles. Perhaps a bit of Rivers.. Could be a good long term QB, but will need 3 to 4 years to perfect his game.. Scary if he goes to Pats to be next Brady.. He will be 4th-6th rd pick..

This post was edited on 1/15 3:55 PM by mach3ucf
 
Originally posted by sk8knight:

Originally posted by Poolside Knight:
Mariota needs a sit at least 1 full season and learn situation. The team that drafts him must be all in to adapt to him to make the transition easier while Jameis can be plugged in just about any NFL offense. Winston is a more NFL ready prospect than Bortles was last year
I don't think Winston is more NFL ready. He threw 18 picks last year and struggled both to start games and when pressured in the pocket. Which is a problem for him with a team like the Bucs because they are weak at OL and are going to need strong starts where the defense can settle in. FSU as a team wasn't nearly as dominant on offense, and the lack of the Kelvin Benjamin safety blanket showed in poorer performance. I truly believe that, if you put Blake behind that line with those weapons, he has better numbers last year. Also is a much more mature and mentally ready QB as well.
Winston's football iq is through the roof. I saw a breakdown on his interceptions this seasons and yes some were his fault but there were a decent number of them were the result of young wide receivers not finishing the route.

The scary thing about Mariota is that he has almost has zero experience in connecting on 3rd and long bc of the system he plays in.


This post was edited on 1/15 3:58 PM by Poolside Knight
 
Originally posted by sk8knight:


Originally posted by Poolside Knight:
Mariota needs a sit at least 1 full season and learn situation. The team that drafts him must be all in to adapt to him to make the transition easier while Jameis can be plugged in just about any NFL offense. Winston is a more NFL ready prospect than Bortles was last year
I don't think Winston is more NFL ready. He threw 18 picks last year and struggled both to start games and when pressured in the pocket. Which is a problem for him with a team like the Bucs because they are weak at OL and are going to need strong starts where the defense can settle in. FSU as a team wasn't nearly as dominant on offense, and the lack of the Kelvin Benjamin safety blanket showed in poorer performance. I truly believe that, if you put Blake behind that line with those weapons, he has better numbers last year. Also is a much more mature and mentally ready QB as well.

I disagree. Winston only lost one game in college. Numerous analysts have talked about his football IQ and ability to read defenses, something Mariota didn't really have to do in that offense. I think the bucs take him. They can trade Mike Glennon for a 3rd or 4th round pick and draft a OG or RT.
 
"If you look at Jameis on tape and you look at Marcus on tape, it's
really unfair to Jameis Winston to compare Marcus Mariota's playing
style to his," Dilfer explained. "Mariota is a very good talent. He's
very gifted. He's an awesome college football player and I expect him to
be awesome (in the national championship game). He's not even in the
same conversation, when it comes to (being) pro ready, as Winston."




It should be noted that Dilfer coached Winston at his football camp when Jameis was younger, so there is likely some bias.

"Jameis does pro stuff - throwing guys open, anticipating,
manipulating the pocket, Plan B and Plan C throws," Dilfer added. "You
name it, Jameis does it. Marcus is a guy who's incredibly good in a
system that has total supremacy over everybody they play."




Dilfer said there will be a "giant gap" between Winston and Mariota
when the college football season ends and people start evaluating more
tape. He also acknowledged that there is a "lack of wisdom and maturity"
with Winston that could hurt his draft stock.
 
Originally posted by UCFKnight85:
Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:

Originally posted by UCFKnight85:

Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:
I don't really see it. Jokes aside the Bucs have to and will take Winston.
I dunno. The Bucs spent alot of time these past years purging "problems" in the locker room, even if it meant ditching great talent. Talib and Blount were great players but they got rid of them anyways.

Winston is good but he does potentially bring alot of baggage.

Well then we don't take a QB bc it's not gonna be Marcus. So now you're sitting at #1 needing a QB but won't take one. Who's gonna be willing to trade up?

The off-field stuff with Winston is well known and there's not much to add. I trust those who say he's a great leader on the field, players look up to him, and his football IQ is off the charts. If that's the case, and the Bucs believe it, then if they can convince themselves that most of his issues have been immature dumbassery and believe he's ready to grow up then you take him. Some people don't believe that and I'm not gonna argue. We'll just wait and see. I think Lovie is the right guy for him.
I would agree with you if everyone in the NFL wasn't currently looking at the Cleveland/Maziel debacle and saying "Thank God that's not us".
I hear you and he def hasn't helped the situation. The only 2 things I can add to that are I think Winston is a much better prospect and I think the game of football is more important to Winston. The rookie scale may make teams slightly more comfortable too but I mean it's still obviously a lot of money.

I can't get on here and fault people for having concerns about his character b/c he's done it to himself. The sexual assault situation is obviously very serious and no doubt teams will have all types of investigators looking in to that. Aside from that I'm just willing to side with those who really think he'll cut that other dumbshit out. Just a feeling is all.
 
Speaking of Dilfer, Bruce Miller lit his ass up on twitter after Dilfer went off on that poor Cardinals QB who could barely complete a pass in their playoff game. He tore him a new one.
 
The fact that Jameis couldn't understand that he was costing himself money every time he was EFFING around proves he has maturity issues...

He is NFL ready right now IMO, but What his ceiling is I have no idea...I don't watch FSU so I wont lie like I do but I do read the draft magazines...THey say he is a real leader on the field.

Mariota seems to have a better head on his shoulders, but that doesn't mean anything in the NFL IMO...

If I was the bucs I would take Jameis until someone offered me multiple #1s or 2 1s and a bunch of 2s...the bucks can rebuild and pick up a good QB in the 2nd or late 1st...in the end Jameis is good but he is not Andrew luck where you don't even talk about moving...
 
Originally posted by Dmarino110:

...in the end Jameis is good but he is not Andrew luck where you don't even talk about moving...
No he's not Luck but he's the best prospect since Luck.
 
Virtually NO ONE is a prospect like Luck. The dude entered the NFL ready to play and succeed from Day 1.

That's why the Colts had absolutely no trouble in trading Manning to make way for the Luck Show.
 
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Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:
Originally posted by Dmarino110:

...in the end Jameis is good but he is not Andrew luck where you don't even talk about moving...
No he's not Luck but he's the best prospect since Luck.
Cardale Jones is very impressive. We have a very small sample of his play, but he is big, athletic, great arm and very smart with the ball. Winston has the mentality of an NFL flame out. I don't know if he can mentally handle all the nfl will throw at him. A ton of money plus superstar status could crack such an immature person. That said, I don't wish I'll on anyone and hope he gets it all straightened out.
 
Another Johny Football vs Blake comparison. One was professional and safe the other had crazy talent but no moral compass. Mariotta is the safe bet
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Lovie can probably straighten him out. He'll just be the next QB failure in Tampa though. Both of them would fail in Tampa. Andrew Luck would have failed in Tampa. It's a bottomless pit. The Glazers just don't care about the Bucs. Their baby is in England.
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Originally posted by bignow:
Another Johny Football vs Blake comparison. One was professional and safe the other had crazy talent but no moral compass. Mariotta is the safe bet
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Johnny Football is 5'11 with a weak arm that played in a Sumlin Air Raid offense, he is not even close to the same talent level as Winston who is around the same size as Blake. The off the field issues aren't even the same either. Manziel is a spoiled brat from Texas oil money that flew all over the country partying with celebs before his 1st NFL contract.
 
I would kill for Mariotta to fall to 20, or hell, fall to a spot where Chip can trade up and get him.
 
Originally posted by USFSucks:
I would kill for Mariotta to fall to 20, or hell, fall to a spot where Chip can trade up and get him.
shit franchises usually do wish for things like this.
 
Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:

Originally posted by Dmarino110:


...in the end Jameis is good but he is not Andrew luck where you don't even talk about moving...
No he's not Luck but he's the best prospect since Luck.
Andrew luck was the highest grade QB Prospect since manning...to compare luck to Jameis and say hes the best since luck is really saying, well since luck was drafted only RG3 and tannehill have come out...one is the best QB to come out of college since 98 and one is the best QB to come out of college since 2012...there is a slight difference...

would I take Jameis over tannehill? probably, but I would laugh at anyone who said they would take him over luck...there is a reason suck for luck was a thing and the colts openly lost games to pick him...
 
I think the analysts all think Mariotta is a straight up "only can run a spread" type of QB. But if you watched him play, he can sit in the pocket and find open receivers. He's smart and a quick decision maker. Obviously he can take off, but I don't think it's his bread and butter. I can't believe people are even re-thinking Mariotta after the NCG. He threw for 370 yards. Losing the game means nothing to his abilities. OSU just ran all over Oregon.

I want Mariotta as the 1st pick in the NFL draft to the Bucs. I don't want Winston anywhere near Tampa. I also hope the Bucs go get Perriman or some sort of UCF player. They're 90 miles away and have never drafted a UCF player. However, realism says the Bucs either trade #1 or go after the boring yet also needed OL.
 
Originally posted by Dmarino110:
Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:

Originally posted by Dmarino110:


...in the end Jameis is good but he is not Andrew luck where you don't even talk about moving...
No he's not Luck but he's the best prospect since Luck.
Andrew luck was the highest grade QB Prospect since manning...to compare luck to Jameis and say hes the best since luck is really saying, well since luck was drafted only RG3 and tannehill have come out...one is the best QB to come out of college since 98 and one is the best QB to come out of college since 2012...there is a slight difference...

would I take Jameis over tannehill? probably, but I would laugh at anyone who said they would take him over luck...there is a reason suck for luck was a thing and the colts openly lost games to pick him...
I have no idea what you're saying. He's graded out extremely high. Nobody said a word about him being OVER Luck.
 
As a Buc fan I'd much rather have Mariotta than Winston (talent and off the field sh*t), but the best move is to trade that pick if someone is willing to come up for a heavy hit.

I really liked the commentary about how quickly Mariotta was able to read defenses and make the right passes, almost on instinct alone. And the dude is so quick when he decides to run. I'd be worried about long term health though - and obviously QBs at the 1 pick can be costly mistakes more than not.
 
Originally posted by Goldenbuc:

I think the analysts all think Mariotta is a straight up "only can run a spread" type of QB. But if you watched him play, he can sit in the pocket and find open receivers. He's smart and a quick decision maker. Obviously he can take off, but I don't think it's his bread and butter. I can't believe people are even re-thinking Mariotta after the NCG. He threw for 370 yards. Losing the game means nothing to his abilities. OSU just ran all over Oregon.

I want Mariotta as the 1st pick in the NFL draft to the Bucs. I don't want Winston anywhere near Tampa. I also hope the Bucs go get Perriman or some sort of UCF player. They're 90 miles away and have never drafted a UCF player. However, realism says the Bucs either trade #1 or go after the boring yet also needed OL.

Dude no. Sometimes I wonder what people are looking at. He's a great decision maker in his style of offense but hasn't consistently shown he can go through progressions and make NFL throws. I can't believe you just highlighted his stats from the Ohio State game as that game clearly showed my point. Ohio State put him in 3rd and intermediate to long situations and that's when you were able to get a glimpse of what you'd see at the next level. If you didn't walk away from Monday night clearly seeing the difference between Winston and Marcus then there's no hope. He can be fine if the offense is going to be tailored to that style. Do you really think the Bucs are gonna do that and go the Chip Kelly route??





Looking at Mariota for the past two seasons, I don't see similarities to
Rodgers in their play at the collegiate level. The Ducks' standout is
an explosive athlete (6-4, 225 pounds) with exceptional speed, quickness
and burst on the perimeter. He excels at executing various zone-read
concepts and is comfortable using his legs to make plays on the
perimeter. As a passer, Mariota displays above-average arm strength and
adequate footwork. He is fairly accurate on short and intermediate
throws to stationary targets, but has trouble making pinpoint tosses on
anticipation or timing routes over the middle of the field. To be fair,
he is rarely asked to make these throws in Oregon's system due to the
volume of run-action passes featured in the playbook. Mariota routinely
throws slants, "pop" passes and seam routes following a zone-read fake,
so he rarely makes a conventional drop back and throw without some form
of a play fake to hold second-level defenders (linebackers and/or strong
safety). This system routinely puts a designated defender in a bind and
asks the quarterback to hand the ball off or throw based off the
defender's reaction. This allows Mariota to hit his primary read on
nearly 90 percent of his passes, allowing the quarterback to function
efficiently as a passer in the system.

While the Ducks' coaching staff deserves a ton of credit for making the
passing game akin to a game of "pickle" for the quarterback, the NFL
game requires a quarterback to frequently find his second and third
option in a pure progression system. Quarterbacks are routinely asked to
read from left to right or high to low based on coverage or route
concepts; it takes some time for college quarterbacks coming from spread
systems to adjust to the flow of the NFL passing game. Granted, Mariota
has likely experienced some of those concepts during his time at
Oregon, but the bulk of his throws are of the "pick and stick" variety
(bubble screens, etc.) that are rarely used in the NFL.

That's why I have a hard time digesting the comparison between Rodgers
and Mariota due to the vast differences in their body types, styles of
play and playing experience (system). While Rodgers has developed into a
mobile assassin as a pro, he rarely used his legs as a weapon at Cal.
He did most of his damage from the pocket while operating in a system
that featured a number of concepts currently used in the NFL. Thus,
Rodgers' evaluation and projection was easier for scouts.






Scouts take on Mariota
 
Honestly, I can't knock anyone for not wanting any part of Winston for fear of off-field issues but on the field, I'm with Dilfer in that I can't believe we're even having this discussion.

Same scouts take on Winston:

For all of the negative attention that Florida State QB Jameis Winston's
off-field behavior has attracted this season, there is no doubt in my
mind that he is the top quarterback in the potential 2015 QB class.


While others are more athletic
(Oregon's Marcus Mariota) and better personality/character fits
(Michigan State's Connor Cook), there isn't another quarterback in
college football capable of matching Winston's big-game resume and
overall potential. Evaluators might attempt to convince themselves
otherwise to avoid a P.R. headache, but the tape suggests that he
remains the crown jewel of the class based on his on-field performance.


Overall, I know that Winston's previous transgressions will
ultimately decide his fate in several draft rooms, but there will be a
number of NFL evaluators who will fall in love with his resiliency,
composure and big-game ability after watching the reigning Heisman
Trophy winner lead the Seminoles to a dramatic 31-27 win over Notre Dame on Saturday night.



While the circumstances surrounding Winston's immature and sometimes
irresponsible acts warrant serious investigation by NFL officials, there
is no denying that he is a special player at the position. The
6-foot-4, 230-pound redshirt sophomore guided the Seminoles to their
23rd straight win, while exhibiting the kind of physical tools that
offensive coordinators covet in franchise quarterbacks. From his
outstanding arm strength, touch and accuracy to his impressive pocket
awareness and anticipation, Winston possesses all of the traits to
thrive in a pro-style offense. Additionally, he has enough athleticism
to make plays on the run when the pocket collapses.



Against Notre Dame, Winston showed the football world that he remains
the most dangerous quarterback in college when he puts it all together
on the field. Following an uneven first-half performance where he
appeared flustered by Notre Dame's defensive tactics, Winston
brilliantly picked apart the defense with exceptional precision in the
second half. He connected on 15 of 16 throws for 181 yards and a score
after halftime. Most impressive, he repeatedly displayed the courage to
stand in the pocket and deliver accurate throws despite facing constant
pressure up the gut. Given the importance of composure, poise and
anticipation in a quarterback evaluation, Winston's second-half showing
checked off a lot of boxes in key areas and will lead some scouts to
appreciate his ability to step up when the game is teetering on the
brink.



From a critical standpoint, I still have some concerns about his
sloppy footwork and fundamentals that lead to back-foot tosses at times,
but I believe Winston's flaws are correctable with detailed coaching at
the next level. An astute quarterback coach will help him learn to
incorporate his lower body into his throwing mechanics, which will
improve his velocity, accuracy and ball placement. (Most quarterbacks
with a heavy baseball background are "arm" throwers, so it is not a
surprise that he tends to rely extensively on his arm instead of his
lower body to generate velocity on his throws.)




Looking at Winston's
intangibles, the majority of observers will allow his off-field behavior
to cloud the traits that he displays on the field, but I will step out
and say that his "football character" is outstanding when he steps onto
the field. Winston is a charismatic leader who galvanizes his teammates
through his actions and words, and plays with the kind of swagger that
leads others to follow his lead. While most prospects would crack under
the intense scrutiny and pressure that Winston has endured over the past
year (most of which has been self-inflicted through his own actions),
he has continued to thrive on the biggest and brightest stages when his
team needed him the most. From my vantage point, Winston's resiliency,
toughness and composure under those circumstances suggest that he won't
wilt under the pressure of the pro game and will find a way to succeed
when things inevitably go wrong as a franchise player. With quarterback
guru George Whitfield, Jr. on record stating that Winston's football IQ
and aptitude are on par with Andrew Luck
in the classroom (Whitfield has privately trained Winston and Luck,
plus a host of other top quarterbacks in the past few years), I don't
have any reservations about his ability to process information on the
board and put it into practice on the field.


Scout's Take: Jameis Winston is No. 1 QB prospect
 
You do your homework. You investigate, you meet with him for hours, you bring in shrinks, you talk to everyone in the kids life. If you get comfortable with him you take him and that's the end of it.


----------------------------------------------------

Mike Mayock




Appearing on Mike and Mike on ESPN Radio, Mayock was asked about what he saw in both quarterback prospects.



"The whole Mariota-Winston thing is contrary, they're opposites,"
Mayock said. "For Mariota, he checks off every box off the field and
intangibles. He's hardworking, he'll be the first kid in the building
every day and he'll stay until whenever he has to stay at night. He
checks off all the physical traits -- arm strength, athleticism, feet,
speed, everything. He's got all those things. I've only done three of
his games so far but when I look at my notes, the two issues I have with
him: Number one is lack of consistent accuracy, which is a big deal for
me, and number two is inconsistent pocket awareness."



Mayock would add that even with the concern of Mariota's play on the
field, you can't knock a kid for what he hasnt done in college. He notes
that the Oregon product was never asked to have pocket awareness and
play close to a pro-style scheme. Mayock ends his thoughts on Mariota by
saying due to his concerns it makes Mariota a "projection" rather than a
sure-bet.

Mayock would then move on to Winston, where he was big on his
quarterback play but questioned his off the stuff saying there is some
doubt the 21-year old should go first overall.



"When you look at Jameis Winston, you can see anticipation," Mayock
said. "He trusts receivers, he throws to a spot, he's in the pocket, he
slides and moves, he gets smacked in the face and makes the throws. He
[also] has inconsistent accuracy. But the big thing with him is you're
going to check off all the physical traits and you can see what you want
on the film. But the question's going to be, If you draft him No. 1
overall or No. 2, 3, or whatever, do you want this kid who's had all
these off the field issues to be the face of the franchise. And that's a
big deal given all that has gone on in the NFL this last year."



Mayock's words echo that of what I was told by those close to the
Bucs about Mariota's play early last week. Winston has been and will be
perhaps the most talented prospect pre and post draft of the two.

http://tam.scout.com/story/1502089-mayock-weighs-in-on-winston-and-mariota
 
At the end of the day, those people that get paid to make the evaluation know far more than I do about who is the better NFL QB prospect, that being said - I'd still be pissed if the Bucs take Winston #1. If they want Winston, fine, but I honestly believe you can wait till 3-7 to get him. He's way too big of a risk to waste a number one pick on.
 
Originally posted by ChrisKnight06:
You do your homework. You investigate, you meet with him for hours, you bring in shrinks, you talk to everyone in the kids life. If you get comfortable with him you take him and that's the end of it.


----------------------------------------------------

Mike Mayock





Appearing on Mike and Mike on ESPN Radio, Mayock was asked about what he saw in both quarterback prospects.



"The whole Mariota-Winston thing is contrary, they're opposites,"
Mayock said. "For Mariota, he checks off every box off the field and
intangibles. He's hardworking, he'll be the first kid in the building
every day and he'll stay until whenever he has to stay at night. He
checks off all the physical traits -- arm strength, athleticism, feet,
speed, everything. He's got all those things. I've only done three of
his games so far but when I look at my notes, the two issues I have with
him: Number one is lack of consistent accuracy, which is a big deal for
me, and number two is inconsistent pocket awareness."



Mayock would add that even with the concern of Mariota's play on the
field, you can't knock a kid for what he hasnt done in college. He notes
that the Oregon product was never asked to have pocket awareness and
play close to a pro-style scheme. Mayock ends his thoughts on Mariota by
saying due to his concerns it makes Mariota a "projection" rather than a
sure-bet.

Mayock would then move on to Winston, where he was big on his
quarterback play but questioned his off the stuff saying there is some
doubt the 21-year old should go first overall.



"When you look at Jameis Winston, you can see anticipation," Mayock
said. "He trusts receivers, he throws to a spot, he's in the pocket, he
slides and moves, he gets smacked in the face and makes the throws. He
[also] has inconsistent accuracy. But the big thing with him is you're
going to check off all the physical traits and you can see what you want
on the film. But the question's going to be, If you draft him No. 1
overall or No. 2, 3, or whatever, do you want this kid who's had all
these off the field issues to be the face of the franchise. And that's a
big deal given all that has gone on in the NFL this last year."



Mayock's words echo that of what I was told by those close to the
Bucs about Mariota's play early last week. Winston has been and will be
perhaps the most talented prospect pre and post draft of the two.
Do you pull a Jeff Ireland and ask him if his mother was a prostitute?
 
Kind of interesting would be taking Amari Cooper and putting him opposite Mike Evans.

Evans is a FREAK and Cooper looks like he is in the same class as Evans.

I don't care who the QB is, you're going to move the ball with those 2 guys on the field.
 
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