Maybe the only point that matters is that we respect natural law and human rights, and not exploit it for our own benefit unless we are willing to be in that same position later.
LEFTIST PEDO & GENERAL IDIOCY MEGATHREAD
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That is a nice ideal, but that isnt what capitalism is. Capitalism is about gaining resources and making money, and we do it with many countries all over the world that are bad places, not just China. Is China really that much worse than Saudia Arabia for instance? Probably not, but we work with Saudia Arabia due to our own interests just like we do China.
Of course, the first time a candidate runs for office saying these types of things, they are considered anti-capitalist and have no way of winning. Or they will do the Trump thing (and others for sure) and talk tough about China but not actually do anything about it.
In what context? As in the Democratic party platform? Or as in Western Liberalism? Also not sure why you are asking me this and not Crazy, since he is the one saying certain Republicans are liberals. Based on this conversation, seems more a question you should be asking him.
Either one of you then. Define conservatism and liberalism in the context by which you are drawing lines. Because, whether by the definition of classical liberalism or neoliberalism, certainly there are Republicans that espouse positions that meet the definition. So I’d like to know where we’re drawing the lines.
Confused why you are asking me this and not crazy, since he is the one who brought it up. Shouldnt you be asking him why he thinks Romney is a liberal?
Here is a basic defintion though
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law.
That is an overly broad definition that collects liberals, libertarians, and conservatives alike. Let me ask you, and crazy, are the policies espoused by Democrats on the local, state, and national level liberal or something else?
Capitalism and conservatism are 2 different things. Unless you are willing to say that socialism and liberalism go hand in hand, I reject tying the two concepts together.
Liberals are capitalists too, I didnt say anything about capitalism being specific to conservatives, we are a capitalist country. In saying that, I think you would be hard pressed to find someone who identifies as a conservative but not a capitalist.
It depends on what policies. I think Democrats in general are liberal, but I am sure you can find some issues that wouldnt necessarily be considered liberal. And vice versa, plenty of Republican views I wouldnt consider conservative either.
Go to the extreme and ask whether fascists are capitalists. They also love nationalizing industries and rejecting free-market principles. I just don't like the idea of economic theory being intertwined with political theory because the lines have always been blurred in that respect.
But it is blurred, the economic system and economy are a part of politics. Many of the great political revolutions in history have stemmed from economic conditions.
But fascists arent conservative, they are fascist. Fascism is far right, conservatism is right, but not nearly as far right as fascism. Just like liberalism is left, but not as left as communism. If you believe in a right/left political spectrum (which I personally think is over stated) then everyone falls either on the right or left, it is just a matter as to how far right or left.
Sure, blurred lines. No, i don't believe in the linear political spectrum, but it's hard to not to recognize that one group tends to associate with an economic approach and the other with the opposite approach. Personally, I consider myself a conservative but also think that Keynes was 100% correct in his approach to international trade and monetary policy. Some would say that makes me a leftist, but I think the two can be separated and both can be true at the same time. I just don't see that in the left any more.
I think they can be separated to an extent, and I do think it is possible to separate domestic policy and foreign policy in this regard and still be a conservative or liberal. But I still dont know what an anti-capitalist conservative would look like at this day in time. Even social conservatives who are more interested in social issues rather than economic issues, would never say they arent capitalist
Capitalism is a spectrum, just like politics. Whenever I explain Keynes premises to people, they seem to understand why it makes sense. Personally, I think too many people are stuck in the political battles of the 70s and 80s still and it keeps them from actually being willing to consider something outside of the politics of that era.
Tennessee is likely to pass a bill soon that would allow for child marriage. And I dont mean 16 and 17 year olds, I mean any aged children. The purpose of the bill is to essentially weaken gay marriage, but the way it is written, children would legally be allowed to marry. So for all the people who think Democrats are pedos, you might want to re-examine your own party from time to time.
This is already a law in Mississippi. Women age 15 can marry and with parental consent a judge can allow a marriage at any age. Marriage is a legal defense to statutory rape charges. It’s likely liberals who keep that law as they control all aspects of Mississippi government.
A few weeks ago the TN state legislature had noted education expert John Rich testify about librarians being pedophiles (with no actual evidence of course), and now they are on the verge of making child marriage legal. Thank god we have these people to save the children from the pedo Democrats, librarians, and teachers.
Some more stories from the great conservative state of Tennessee. John Rose, current US representative, former ag commissioner in TN, met his wife, at an FFA rewards thing at the state capitol. She wasnt a teacher or sponsor, she was a high school student. She was 17, he was 42. He gave her a scholarship and I believe even a job. So tell me again how it is Democrats grooming your kids? Or would you all be cool with your 17 year old daughter dating a 42 year old politician?
David Byrd, TN state rep, has been accused by 3 women of being sexually assaulted when he was their HS basketball coach. ONe of them recorded a phone call with him, where he more or less admitted it. Not only was he never kicked out of the party, another Republican rep said that "everyone makes mistakes" when asked about it.
Weird how these types of stories arent mentioned in this thread.
David Byrd, TN state rep, has been accused by 3 women of being sexually assaulted when he was their HS basketball coach. ONe of them recorded a phone call with him, where he more or less admitted it. Not only was he never kicked out of the party, another Republican rep said that "everyone makes mistakes" when asked about it.
Weird how these types of stories arent mentioned in this thread.
People like Prager were mocked for saying this would become normative just 3 years ago. I'll guarantee you that 3 years from now that pedophilia will be normalized in the same way. The LGBT community has corrupted everything regarding sex, and the next one will be rape
Care to comment? Earlier you in this thread you tried to make Biden out to be a pedophile for kissing his grandson on his cheek at a funeral. Is that worse than getting lap dances from your daughter?
Shouldn't be a problem with you leftists. I'll bet he went 5 inches deep into the ass of every one of those kids, but you're OK with that amirite?You going to vote for this guy in 24?
Sure. Q was right about there being a cabal of rich pedophiles and you have photographic proof of it right there.
Care to comment? Earlier you in this thread you tried to make Biden out to be a pedophile for kissing his grandson on his cheek at a funeral. Is that worse than getting lap dances from your daughter?
I never said I was ok with it, I am pointing out the hypocrisy. If you think Biden kissing his grandson on his cheek at a funeral is pedophilia, but dont want to comment on Trump, then maybe you are proving my point that all this pedophilia narrative is partisan politics, and not actually about children.
ETA: This comment was really meant more for the picture with his daughter. But honestly, I dont have a big problem with politicians kissing people on their cheek. There is literally a saying that we have all heard, "shaking hands and kissing babies", which is all this is. But, if you are going to make Biden out to be a pedo because of it, then at least have some conviction and call out Trump too.
But it's not hypocrisy. Nobody claimed that pedophilia was limited to the left, and I've posted several times about how it is becoming pervasive in our society across the board. The Trump pictures are kind of weak to use as examples but I have little doubt that he is guilty of crossing the line. The rich, decadent individuals in this country lost their souls long ago and I'm pretty sure that anything is possible with most of them.
It is 100% hypocrisy when you and others make Biden out to be a pedophile while ignoring Trump. THe only reason you are discussing Trump now is because I posted the pictures.
Is it really becoming more common in society? Or is it just talked about more because of Qanon and the Epstein story and social media? Lets be real, it wasnt uncommon back in the day for grown men to date 12 year olds. Two of the iconic figures of the last century, Elvis, started dating Priscilia when she was 13 and Charlie Chaplin was married 4 times, and 3 of them were teenagers, and these were two beloved entertainers. It is hard for me to imagine people being ok with this in todays world.
I think Biden is creepy but I doubt he is the pedo that he's portrayed as being. Maybe it's just a generational thing, where we find it unacceptable and the boomers still think it's normal, but either way it's not an OK practice.
And also to point out, this type of strategy of making out others to be sexual deviants didnt come out of the blue. It has been a political strategy throughout history. This shot is from a book on the tennets of fascism, and I think it is safe to say that this is occurring regularly these days.
What's the problem with this or fascism in general?And also to point out, this type of strategy of making out others to be sexual deviants didnt come out of the blue. It has been a political strategy throughout history. This shot is from a book on the tennets of fascism, and I think it is safe to say that this is occurring regularly these days.
What is the problem with and us vs them mindset, where "we" are the good people and they are the "evil" people? I mean, war, genocide, terrorism etc is fueled by this kind of mindset and has been throughout history.
Fascism isnt a free society. IF you want a handful of people to control your entire society then I guess that is your opinion, but I will pass.
Not that fascism is right, but you currently espouse a system where an emotional mob of easily duped people control the entire society.
But that is on us, not because of an authoritarian government. Some things we do to ourselves. But also, I understand what you are saying, but I do think that is a little overstated.
I have a lot of anxiety about this christmas. After 2 suicidal episodes this year I am really uncomfortable with the idea of being around the in-laws. This year has also brought about changes with my girls. I got divorced 8 years ago and had full custody of my kids until this year. They moved in with their mom in january and things have been pretty difficult between us since then. Nobody, including my wife, has been terribly supportive of what I've been dealing with this year and I've been putting on a happy face whenever I'm asked how things are going because when I'm honest it makes things worse. I'm just tired of it and now its going to be in my face for the next few days. Nobody understands but everybody has a solution.
Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
I have a lot of anxiety about this christmas. After 2 suicidal episodes this year I am really uncomfortable with the idea of being around the in-laws. This year has also brought about changes with my girls. I got divorced 8 years ago and had full custody of my kids until this year. They moved in with their mom in january and things have been pretty difficult between us since then. Nobody, including my wife, has been terribly supportive of what I've been dealing with this year and I've been putting on a happy face whenever I'm asked how things are going because when I'm honest it makes things worse. I'm just tired of it and now its going to be in my face for the next few days. Nobody understands but everybody has a solution.
Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
Sorry to vent. Merry christmas to everyone"
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