Bosie is getting destroyed. Memphis is up by 19 at Half.
Maybe that puts on pair with Boise. lol.
MBB: UCF vs Memphis 9pm
- Thread starter Central Floridave
- Start date
Bosie is getting destroyed. Memphis is up by 19 at Half.
Maybe that puts on pair with Boise. lol.
Excellent points. This is why I come back to the home board. To get different perspectives. Some are excellent like this one.
#UCFacts
I wasn’t even going to go into NIT because that should be the down year. That’s even above us. To recruit you need a phone and a gas card. That’s it. Richmonds Coach and overall budget is close to ours. They win. We don’t. I don’t even need to look up all of A10 and Loyola Chicago budgets to know they are similar to us. People want to make excuses.
Don't disagree. Just pointing out that the team is not built to succeed now, and probably won't be anytime soon. Basketball is not a priority to the university and will be the same for the fans.
totally, so many excuses...Orlando, young, johnny needs 10 years, cant recruit, ...lol
Does this make sense to anyone??
@UCFhonors:
This team's talent is next level. All brought in by Dawkins. I think we are way underperforming.
I hope Johnny is with us for years to come.
Sure doesn't to me!
Maybe. But bottom of the conference in Big 12 is a bubble team for NIT. UCF beat a few tourney teams this year including a couple in the sweet 16. They just have no margin for error in the AAC. 2/3 of the Big 12 gets in the tournament even with losing conference records due to NET.
There is no evidence that this is a team that wins 2 games in the Big 12. We played a sample size of 7 tournament teams and went 3-4 with 3 wins over teams that won a tourney game. Not sure how you get that that directly translates to a 2 win Big 12 team.
By the time the team is in full conference mode their performance is no where near where it was during some of those wins.
This was the most hyped team in three years. Likely at least two years of rebuilding, and based on portal news, looks like from scratch.
A
anon_gi3vk9zbfmw0w
Guest
I get what he’s trying to say. I’m not interested in projecting 2-3 years out how many Big12 wins they would hypothetically get either, that’s all conjecture.
Yes, UCF won three games against tournament teams. But numbers go both ways. The original point of all these posts was discussing how wildly inconsistent and average the program has been.
It’s not as much about the few nice wins each year to hang your hat on, it’s the four or five losses each year to teams outside the top-100 in RPI/NET. The Temple, @USF, @Tulane, and @Tulsa games completely derailed the season.
Last edited by a moderator:
And my point was that if we had the same good wins and our losses came against big 12 teams rather than AAC teams we would be in a postseason tournament.
No. No sense. Dawkins was fired at Stanford because he could not get them into the Tournament in 8 seasons. He's been at UCF 5 to 6 seasons? Look where we are. Johnny has to go.
Huh? With Free Agency....UCF's first ever Big 12 Team (2023-2024) will look totally different from UCF's 2021-2022 AAC Team.
Props for jumping on the losing bandwagon early for a team that basically doesn't even exist yet.
I was referencing this season with wins over Miami in November vs. losses to USF, Tulsa. How they played in November/December is not how they played in the conference.
Yeah, I'm sure Johnny will have the Big-12 team running on all cylinders......hmmmm. You could be right. Ya never know. I hope you're right but we thought the promise land was coming after Tacko, Aubrey, and BJ left.
It’s a process. UCF has the second smallest budget in the conference. We pay our coach 1.1 million (top teams in conference pay 3). We have the least historical accomplishments of any team in the conference. Before Johnny arrived we were struggling to stay out of last in the American and never won more than 6 conference games. So he hasn’t taken us to the top of the conference, sure. But he’s taken us to the middle. Where the top is in reach. He has also shown when things are going right that he can lead a team to an NCAA tournament. We have accomplished more under Dawkins than we did under any other coach. It isn’t a light switch that we can turn on like football. The geographical advantage we have in football over our conference foes doesn’t extend to basketball.
In basketball you only need 1 true star to be relevant. 2 and you are going far in tourney. When Green is hitting 3s we can beat anyone. When he’s not we can lose to anyone. Need another guy that can score to pick up slack when Green isn’t hitting. Preferably a big guy that can dominate the paint. Diong couldn’t make anything except a dunk or layup. Would be nice to have a guy that can score with back to basket. The team we had this past year we needed to full court press and cause turnovers. Not what happened and we had trouble scoring anything but 3s.
Thanks for the response: So I hear......smallest budget, least historical, he’s taken us to the middle (with Donnie Jones recruits), It isn’t a light switch that we can turn on like football, and no geographical advantage.
OK, what about UF and Billy Donovan? What about Houston? St. Peter's? Providence? Miami?
I don't subscribe to the budget (well until NIL came along), historically we've had some very famous and talented players, Jordan's, Tacko, Aubrey, BJ Taylor, Jermaine Taylor...etc. We accomplished a lot with Donnie Jones recruits and have steadily gone down. It's been 6 years but OK. Turnovers (16+) per game, shoot the 3 or die, no low post play since Tacko left. In my opinion, it ain't happenin with Johnny. Not even with Big-12 recruits. Hope I am wrong and you have some good points but many are excuses.
Also, explain to me the road record and the disasters (DISASTERS) at USF and Memphis?
We look so horrible sometimes it's disturbing.....but Johnny will turn it all around. I don't buy it. 2022-2023 will be a disaster.
Our conference wins went down the year after our NCAA run as everyone graduated. And have gone up the last 2 years. Houston has like 6 final 4 appearances. Providence and Miami aren’t good programs. Providence is one of the luckiest teams in the country according to KenPom. Miami benefits from being in the ACC where they don’t need a good record to make the tourney. We beat them. St. Peter’s isn’t a good program either. They are from a shitty single bid conference and won their conference tourney or else they aren’t even a CBI team. UCF has a higher NET and RPI.
Providence is in Big East and has had real good teams since the 80s.
Those teams won the games that mattered.
Sounds like the same exact argument everyone used for 2017 UCF team, they are lucky, played in weak conference, xyz P5 teams had better ratings/rankings.
UCF is staring at a full rebuild. One would think three years after having the biggest season in program history, the team wouldn't be starting all over with likely waiting another 2 years before they can contend.
This past season and next should be the seasons when the team has an experienced and talented roster to contend. Instead the peak was not qualifying for NIT. Which does make sense why someone would believe 3-4 years from now the team could be in the same exact situation.
If the team isn’t dancing once we join a league where 70% of teams dance we should be rightly concerned. As it is we are in a 2 bid league tops. With a lot of teams that drag on our NET. Expecting to consistently be in the tournament from the AAC is a more difficult achievement than in the Big 12.
Maybe you are thinking of a different team. Providence hasn’t been in a sweet 16 in 25 years. This season they were regular season conference champs for the first time in program history.
No. They’ve won conference tourney twice as well and have 2 final 4s. 4 elite 8s. 6 sweet 16s. 21 tourney appearances. Have had quite a few good players and coaches. Too many to list. They have more HOFs than we have guys that even had a cup of coffee in NBA.
UCF is not a top 100 basketball program. Wash your mouth when you mention Miami.
You know what St. Peter's has that UCF doesn't ..
A win in the round of 32 and a win in the sweet sixteen. I'll take that over a higher net and RPI any day.
Ok. You missed the point though. They have had a Cinderella run. But if they played in the AAC they wouldn’t be in any postseason tournament. They benefitted by being in a terrible conference where somebody gets an auto bid.
I said they aren’t a good program and had a lot of luck this year. Then you said they have had good teams since the 80s. I guess technically that is right since that encompasses 40ish years. But they have won a grand total of 3 tournament games in the past quarter century. And 2 of those came this year. Again. Not a good program.
So again the same thing said about UCF football and AAC.
St Peter's is stepping up and playing great basketball when it matters. They are not playing like a team that is getting lucky or have a fluke lottery pick carrying them. They play good basketball, well coached, and beating quality teams. Their coach is a shooting star right now.
There is no NET or RPI in football used for a tournament selection. St Peters is (rightly) a 15 seed because they play in a one bid league and entered March madness at 16-11 despite playing no ranked teams. Not sure what that has to do with UCF going undefeated in football. In a one and done tournament crazy things happen and St Peters is this years Cinderella. It doesn’t mean they are a great basketball program.
Because anyone that references some programs that are currently having success you fire back they are bad. As if their accomplishments means nothing, even though their coaches are having far more success than what Dawkins has done and in some cases with much less to work with.
St. Peters has one senior that has impact, and are winning with good team basketball and good coaching. If the coach stays, which is a big if, they probably have success next season too.
If programs like Providence are bad, that have multiple final four appearances and been in the NCAA tournament 5 times in the last 7 years, then UCF basketball will not even get to bad level in this century.
UCF is going from a 2 bid to a 7 bid league. At which point expectations will change for reaching the NCAA tournament. It’s not hard. If St Peters played in the AAC they would be sitting at home like Dawkins is.
You believe that it will get seven bids every year because it happened this year? UCF can’t sniff 20 wins in the AAC, how many wins do you believe Dawkins will get in the new league?
To win UCF will need to spend P5 money. Currently, UCF is at the bottom of the AAC in basketball spending. Dawkins comes cheap, the results will match the expense.
