I honestly don't care about the insults, and in reality probably nobody does.
lmao, yeah it seems you are wrong about that part.
As far as your "actual discussion" I think you have far more faith in humanity than I do. I used to think facts and logic posted on here would change peoples minds, it certainly changed mine. I used to be a dyed in the wool registered republican, then when I saw what became of the GOP after Trump was selected I was able to change my views and not be a Republican Robot. Sadly most people on here are completely incapable of thinking for themselves.
Which is why I don't get wrapped up in "trying to have productive discussion" that road simple doesn't work.