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Don’t pivot. We were talking about your idiotic take on the impossibility of a booster for Covid and how it is somehow different than the yearly influenza shots.
I didn't say it was impossible. I just question how they would make it happen. None of the vaccines are currently approved, so this wouldn't be an update on an approved product. It would also have to be determined that we are still in an emergency to get an EUA, but I have no idea what the parameters are for that. And who knows what variant we may be dealing with by the time they bring the booster to market.
I think these are all legitimate questions.
Like I said it’s the same as the flu. They will develop for the most prevalent variants that they anticipate will be impacting us like they do with the flu. There are no concerns that the vaccines will be denied FDA approval. It’s just a matter of time. The boosters for different variants wouldn’t be until the end of the year or next year anyway. Probably more along the lines of the flu vaccine cycle.
And the influenza shots had an efficacy of only 15-25% according to the CDC's own post seasonal analysis the last 3 seasons before SARS-CoV-2. In fact, the CDC had to admit more people had complications from compromised immune systems as a result, from Shingles breakouts to several other types, than effective protection.
People need to stop with the 'pro-vax, it's always worth it,' assumptions.
I'm fact, it's looking more and more that irresponsible, 'no masks, no distancing' pro-vaxxers are more and more responsible for the spread and continued pandemic. More and more medical journals and regulatory agencies are advising such.
Australia is just the latest.
And I will take a flu shot this year and next year and the year after that and the year after that.
You need to stop posting your irresponsible rhetoric.
This guy is saying 6-9 months. If true, we just need to identify exactly when the covid "season" is at its peak to maximize the protection that boosters can provide.
Yep, mRNA vaccines are proving to be great IgG boosters. No argument.
It's just the 90% of other BS pro-vaxxers keep spewing that even the US NIH and an increasing number of regulatory agencies tire of.
You do know the annual flu shot is a designed based on the strains they think are most most likely to flare up that year, right? I think it is a cocktail of antibodies (?) for 5-7 strains of the known flu strains (20+). If it is 50% effective, it means they guessed well; if it is 15-25%, it means their selection process failed that year. They can make Covid one of them for the next few years
Exactly! History is repeating itself!
I.e., The original promise of mRNA was to provide a 'quick'n dirty booster' against viruses strains and variants, because they could allegedly be developed overnight, and given out over several months.
It largely failed with Influenza Virus (IV) B and C strains, mRNA no better (and often worse) than the current, inactivated virus approach commonly used. It should have been faster to make mRNA, but the domestic Pharma didn't want to put any money into it, despite mRNA's low-cost and low-entry barriers.
That's why we've seen the new crop of smaller Pharma out-performing the bigger companies, who have -- in some cases -- 'partnered' with smaller ones, once the US FDA gave the 'immunity' clause because of the SARS-CoV-2 outbreak.
And with SARS-CoV, mRNA has only been implemented against the SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1 (2019) variant, none of the others. They are talking about multi-variant boosters for 2022, but we're still in our infancy. Which is why mRNA isn't protecting nearly as well with Delta like it did Wuhan-1, although it's half-way decent against Alpha (2nd most deadly), Gamma (overtaking Alpha as most deadly) and Lambda (might be the closest to Wuhan-1 for the current vaccines).
Which goes back to what I've been saying from the get-go ...
mRNA vaccines do not significantly reduce the spread, and are nothing more than 'Boosters' against the synthesized virus variant(s) they are designed for. And the current 'Booster' only targets the original SARS-CoV-2 Wuhan-1.
This 'oversell' that it can provide 'herd immunity' has only been a hope, never been provide, one that most experts -- including the US NIH -- didn't think would happen from the get-go.
Again, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, I got the first available, but I'm also a messenger that other people keep ignoring. We are not remotely close to ending this, far from it!
Agreed?!
Oh no... we got the worlds foremost expert on COVID vaccines lecturing to a bunch of “3rd graders.” We just learned multiplication and that there were nine planets 🪐 revolving around the sun ☀️ and now we have to decipher the significance of bold, red type and red bold.
By the way, you ARE an anti-vaxxer. An Mrna anti-vaxxer. Just because you got a vaccine does not, by definition, make you an ANTI-vaxxer
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Big Pharma conspiracy theory hidden in a mini-manifesto always shows it’s ugly head eventually
Have you notified the government and the CDC about this since most of this board is focusing on conference expansion?
I've posted it all over in various articles, especially around funding a live, attenuated virus. You should know, you made fun of those posts, along with others.
When you want to talk immunoglobulin antibodies and other specifics, I'll be interested. Until then, you'll just complain every time I post - - even when under 100 words, and quote 500+ from the article(s).
Where is the article that said months ago that “most experts AND the US-NIH” said that they never thought that the vaccines would produce herd immunity from the get-go??
Show me an article from December to January that says that
Stop posting 500-5000 word “undisciplined 3rd grader” rambling manifestos and just simply produce articles dated during that time without going on a tangent?
Can you do that or are you too mentally unstable to stay focused?
Says he’s not an anti-vaxxer and then spends all day and night shitting all over the people
who take a vaccine that he in his infinite medical experience and expertise knows more about than anyone else.
The dude is mentally unstable. He’s literally incapable of making concise points on a consistent basis. He’s all over the place. If he wasn’t so unstable, maybe he could use all of his wordly “I told you so” knowledge on people other than us lowly third graders. Maybe high schoolers?
There is no single 'article.'
There are actual many journal entries and studies I posted, including the ones on why we need a live, attenuated vaccine to actually provide sterilizing immunity in the upper respiratory tract with more immunglobulin A (IgA) anti-bodies where droplets are expelled (as well as inhaled) to greatly reduce transmission, not just IgG Boosters for largely the blood.
But if you want a 'mainstream' article, again, Time magazine from earlier this year. There are plenty of other 'mainstream' articles out there, late 2020 and well as early 2021. At no time did anyone say mRNA vaccnines (including adenovirus vector delivery types) would ever reduce transmission significantly.
But if you want a 'mainstream' article, again, Time magazine from earlier this year. There are plenty of other 'mainstream' articles out there, late 2020 and well as early 2021. At no time did anyone say mRNA vaccnines (including adenovirus vector delivery types) would ever reduce transmission significantly.
Do Vaccines Stop Spread of COVID-19? What You Need to Know
Vaccines can provide immunity to COVID-19 disease, but can they also stop the virus from spreading?
QUOTE: '... If you’re protected, you can’t be infected, and if you’re not infected, then you can’t spread it to anyone else. And that’s true most of the time. But not all vaccines work that way, and it’s not actually what the two COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration—made by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNtech—are designed to do. Their effectiveness is measured by how well they protect people against moderate to severe COVID-19 disease—not how well they prevent infection or spread of the COVID-19 virus itself ...'
Everything I have been posting is coming true!
The people who have actually read what I've posted, including where there is a clear difference between 'assumptions' and 'suggests,' including where the prior studies I've posted are being picked up more and more in articles ... yeah, we're looking at only less than half (UK 37-43%) to just over a quarter reductions (FN et al. sub-30%) with mRNA, that's it!
And domestic Pharma is spending no money on a live, attenuated virus. mRNA is an INcomplete solution, it's just cheap, quick'n dirty. It's really only good as a 'overnight Booster,' not for 'herd immunity.'
The people who have actually read what I've posted, including where there is a clear difference between 'assumptions' and 'suggests,' including where the prior studies I've posted are being picked up more and more in articles ... yeah, we're looking at only less than half (UK 37-43%) to just over a quarter reductions (FN et al. sub-30%) with mRNA, that's it!
And domestic Pharma is spending no money on a live, attenuated virus. mRNA is an INcomplete solution, it's just cheap, quick'n dirty. It's really only good as a 'overnight Booster,' not for 'herd immunity.'
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QUOTE: 'And so, the number of measles vaccine makers dropped from six to one, the number of pertussis vaccine makers from eight to one, and overall we went from 26 vaccine producers in 1955, to 18 in 1980, and just four by 2020.”... Over the last fifteen years, various vaccine programs against SARS, MERS, Ebola, and Zika have all fallen through, because they were considered commercially unviable. Proposed vaccine initiatives for Zika collapsed because they were projected to make a huge loss. “Naturally the pharma industry doesn’t want to invest in unprofitable vaccines for the developing world,” says Bucala. “This is also the case for malaria, dengue, chikungunya and other diseases."'
This goes back to the past 25 years of complaints about how and why we have vaccine shortages domestically!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221811/
Financing Vaccines in the 21st Century: Assuring Access and Availability.
QUOTE: 'the vaccine supply today is surprisingly fragile. Just how fragile it is was brought to national attention by severe vaccine shortages in 2001 and 2002, which affected 8 of the 11 routine childhood vaccines. Such shortages have the potential to result in serious outbreaks of disease and can erode public health programs and infrastructure that have taken years to build.'
Some of you guys are literally shallow 3rd graders! You, not me, called me an 'anti-vaxxer' from the get-go, and you utterly missed the entire dozen warnings I was throwing out that had nothing to do with being anti-vax.
- We wasted 15 years since SARS-CoV (2003) in not developing a real vaccine, and now SARS-CoV-2 is here
- mRNA vaccines had even unforseen, short-term complications we had no tests for -- every single one now has multiple warnings from the FDA, because they were massively under-reported (you guys were utterly proven wrong, repeatedly)
- mRNA vaccines were not designed to stop the spread, only prevent serious illness, and this has was proven with even pre-Delta (just Wuhan-1 and Alpha) studies
- kids would not be helped by vaccines, and sure enough ... not even what I predicted ... they don't even spread it 1/10th as much as us middle-aged folk
- distancing and masks would be the new norm, so we needed to end the lockdowns (which were only supposed to last 2-4 weeks) and work together, not blame
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No, I'm warning you of the 90% BS you peddle, which has been proven wrong and wrong again. I'm not doing it to 'be right.' I'm doing it so you are aware of why the pandemic will not end, and why lockdowns are useless.
And I love how @Ucfmikes has utterly ignored all the journals and studies I've posted, and kept calling them 'cherry picking' from the get-go because they were from journals, regulatory agencies and other authorities, and now he's conveniently forgetting I ever posted them.
Post the article that I was referring to. Why are you skirting around it? You probably don’t have a table of contents to find it in your multiple manifestos. It’s just a big unorganized clusterfukc
And yet, how many times have I been proven correct over the last quarter year?
You guys need to drop your pride and trolling, and actually admit ... you were wrong about so many things. But nope, 'move the goal posts' and 'the anti-vaxxers are why pre-Delta transmissions were still high among mRNA vaccinated.'
At some point, "I told you so" just doesn't cut it. Lockdowns will return thanks to you and your assumptions that mRNA vaccines are all we need.
You’re such an imbecile. NONE OF THOSE ARTICLES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU POSTEDThere is no single 'article.'There are actual many journal entries and studies I posted, including the ones on why we need a live, attenuated vaccine to actually provide sterilizing immunity in the upper respiratory tract with more immunglobulin A (IgA) anti-bodies where droplets are expelled (as well as inhaled) to greatly reduce transmission, not just IgG Boosters for largely the blood.
But if you want a 'mainstream' article, again, Time magazine from earlier this year. There are plenty of other 'mainstream' articles out there, late 2020 and well as early 2021. At no time did anyone say mRNA vaccnines (including adenovirus vector delivery types) would ever reduce transmission significantly.
Do Vaccines Stop Spread of COVID-19? What You Need to Know
Vaccines can provide immunity to COVID-19 disease, but can they also stop the virus from spreading?time.com
QUOTE: '... If you’re protected, you can’t be infected, and if you’re not infected, then you can’t spread it to anyone else. And that’s true most of the time. But not all vaccines work that way, and it’s not actually what the two COVID-19 vaccines authorized by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration—made by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNtech—are designed to do. Their effectiveness is measured by how well they protect people against moderate to severe COVID-19 disease—not how well they prevent infection or spread of the COVID-19 virus itself ...'
Everything I have been posting is coming true!
The people who have actually read what I've posted, including where there is a clear difference between 'assumptions' and 'suggests,' including where the prior studies I've posted are being picked up more and more in articles ... yeah, we're looking at only less than half (UK 37-43%) to just over a quarter reductions (FN et al. sub-30%) with mRNA, that's it!
And domestic Pharma is spending no money on a live, attenuated virus. mRNA is an INcomplete solution, it's just cheap, quick'n dirty. It's really only good as a 'overnight Booster,' not for 'herd immunity.'
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www-wired-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.orgQUOTE: 'And so, the number of measles vaccine makers dropped from six to one, the number of pertussis vaccine makers from eight to one, and overall we went from 26 vaccine producers in 1955, to 18 in 1980, and just four by 2020.”... Over the last fifteen years, various vaccine programs against SARS, MERS, Ebola, and Zika have all fallen through, because they were considered commercially unviable. Proposed vaccine initiatives for Zika collapsed because they were projected to make a huge loss. “Naturally the pharma industry doesn’t want to invest in unprofitable vaccines for the developing world,” says Bucala. “This is also the case for malaria, dengue, chikungunya and other diseases."'
This goes back to the past 25 years of complaints about how and why we have vaccine shortages domestically!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221811/
Financing Vaccines in the 21st Century: Assuring Access and Availability.
QUOTE: 'the vaccine supply today is surprisingly fragile. Just how fragile it is was brought to national attention by severe vaccine shortages in 2001 and 2002, which affected 8 of the 11 routine childhood vaccines. Such shortages have the potential to result in serious outbreaks of disease and can erode public health programs and infrastructure that have taken years to build.'
Some of you guys are literally shallow 3rd graders! You, not me, called me an 'anti-vaxxer' from the get-go, and you utterly missed the entire dozen warnings I was throwing out that had nothing to do with being anti-vax.
And the primary message of it all!
- We wasted 15 years since SARS-CoV (2003) in not developing a real vaccine, and now SARS-CoV-2 is here
- mRNA vaccines had even unforseen, short-term complications we had no tests for -- every single one now has multiple warnings from the FDA, because they were massively under-reported (you guys were utterly proven wrong, repeatedly)
- mRNA vaccines were not designed to stop the spread, only prevent serious illness, and this has was proven with even pre-Delta (just Wuhan-1 and Alpha) studies
- kids would not be helped by vaccines, and sure enough ... not even what I predicted ... they don't even spread it 1/10th as much as us middle-aged folk
SARS-CoV-2 is the new OC43-CoV
- distancing and masks would be the new norm, so we needed to end the lockdowns (which were only supposed to last 2-4 weeks) and work together, not blame
“I rest my case!!!”
I'm vaccinated. When the US FDA says I should get another Booster, I will. Right now, they say no. WHO is even arguing that people are doing things without data. It's amazing how we don't care about medical information nowdays.
