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Gus is forcing his offense on others, is he not? There is more complaining about Gus pushing his offense than his religious beliefs.
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Gus is forcing his offense on others, is he not? There is more complaining about Gus pushing his offense than his religious beliefs.
You're assuming they're forcing their beliefs on players. That's a quick way to get fired. No player is going to commit to or stay stay at a school or coach not matching their belief system... just because someone speaks about their beliefs doesn't mean they're forcing you to adopt that belief..... no different than expressing an opinion... you can agree or disagree.... people express their opinion all the time
the problem with some today is that if someone disagrees with their belief system they choose to feel offended, turn into a victim or attack the person to shut down their message.. they could just ignore the message and walk away....Hinshaw isn't going to "force" and mandate players convert to his beliefs... that's an extreme and inaccurate portrayal of what he was talking about
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"Hinshaw isn't going to "force" and mandate players convert to his beliefs... that's an extreme and inaccurate portrayal of what he was talking about"
He DID say he was going to teach them about jesus.
As an atheist, I wouldn't my kid subjected to fictional rhetoric of that sort. Just sayin'.
"Hinshaw isn't going to "force" and mandate players convert to his beliefs... that's an extreme and inaccurate portrayal of what he was talking about"
He DID say he was going to teach them about jesus.
As an atheist, I wouldn't my kid subjected to fictional rhetoric of that sort. Just sayin'.
I have really enjoyed this lively debate about religion but can we now put it aside and get back to football.
I would only add that by the time your kid has reached 18 they're going to be able to determine if that is something that bothers them or that they appreciate, or if it matters one way or another at all, on their own or by comms with their own family.
Saying this as a parent that was raised Jewish but ultimately became agnostic in my views as I got older. My wife is the same but with a Catholic childhood. We sent our two kids to the best-rated preschool in our area which was also attached to a Methodist Church. The ratings and word-of-mouth were all very positive and that was more important to us. So yea, our kids were exposed to the Church at early ages, and yes for me it was different having to walk through the halls and classrooms decked out with their teachings. The kids were curious and asked us questions about religion and who God and Jesus are and things but it was fine. Most importantly at the end of the day, the staff was amazing and the kids had a great experience, and they made a few new friends. I think the same could be said for Hinshaw.
He might push a few kids away, but he'll likely also attract some too. Also fwiw, our staff and team already have some very outwardly religious members. Alec Holler's press conference comes to mind. A few of the coaches are very outward on social media with prayer. Doesn't seem to be an issue at all. I think his religion will be the least concerning thing as we get further into recruiting and when he actually starts running practices, talking QBs, and Offense. If he starts blowing up Defenses he can come out dressed like the pope and I wouldn't care lmao.
I agree, no one should be forcing their beliefs about anything on someone else. When it comes to religion, let your faith shine through the life that you live. Lead and teach by example. The life that you live says far more about who you are and what you believe than all the words ever written. By the same token, I don't think you should hide your faith because you are afraid someone will criticize or make fun of you.
Well, your arrogant, mocking posts about Jesus in this and another thread are clearly more than "just sayin"... you feel strongly about your beliefs and go out of your way to portray anyone who believes in God as a dimwitt dumb enough to believe in "fiction" espousing "rhetoric"
You need not worry....I'm sure you'll indoctrinate your children so they won't be influenced by the word of God. I don't think we'll lose any recruits because of our coaches' beliefs.
So "forcing" your kids to not to know the Gospel and "pushing" your kids to not make up their own minds for themselves is okay.
Also, Jesus is the most written about ancient historical figure, and the Bible is the best-selling, most read book of all time. Hard not to teach and practice what you preach when you coach.
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When looking at Gus' offenses with us so far, do you get more frustrated at the plays themselves, or the timing of when they're called? And if you can take one offensive play, show it to DH, and say "you're never allowed to call this play ever....EVER," which play would it be?
For me, it's been the timing of his calls more than the plays themselves.
He already got rid of the main play that was crushing me from '21 to '22 and that was the Gatewood substitute. I mean he had JRP so he didn't really have to, and the wild Bowser stuff seemed to work more often than not, so maybe it was more of a substitution than a real replacement of plays. I am kind of struggling to think of one play from '22 that every time he calls it, it makes me mad like the Gatewood stuff.
We could use some extra prayers said for our offense!!
For me it is timing more than anything. We also seem to substitute at times when we should be sticking up-tempo, to put more pressure on the defense. It often seems like we get rolling on a drive and then kill the momentum by subbing. Why is this occurring? Is it the coaches? Is it the fact that the QB position is not advanced enough to run the offense for the better part of an entire drive without subs? I don't know. I do know most QBs in their first year are not handed the offensive reigns. In year two they might be.
If we had better play from the QB position, and the other players were more experienced I think it could look vastly different, as does any team/offense. We've won 9 games two seasons in a row with two different "green" QBs that basically were starting (at least in that system) for the first time. One was forced into playing as a true freshman. O'Keefe was the only consistent player in the WR room for those two seasons, and he was very productive. In 2021 the other two were Brandon Johnson (experienced transfer in his 6th season of college ball) and Amari Johnson (23 of 28 career receptions came in 2021 so he was basically a first-time WR....zero catches in 2022). In 2022 Baker (first time starter) and Hudson (transfer with two years of college ball...one of those a redshirt season) were the other two. We had experienced consistency at the RB position, although I think this is the position that requires the least amount of time to acclimate. 3/5 OL were the same. I'd have to say we had consistency as well, although it's hard to tell sometimes if our offensive struggles at time were them, the QB, the WRs, or a combination of all three performing sub-par at the same time. I often saw WRs (Baker and Hudson) not finishing routes, and when plays broke down there was no option for the QB, even if they had the time to find somebody because the WRs had stopped.
We need to have more continuity to see this offense move towards its' potential. That's on the staff to get people in (and keep them). With the portal, kids are going to leave now but you need to find a way to up your roster retention rates. Discontinuity/continuity are big factors in today's college game. I'm sure they must keep this stat (if not you need to fire some people and get people that do, because in this day and age you must be all over this). Every year you should be looking at your roster retention rate, and assessing how you are doing as a staff, and yes, there could be a myriad of reason this goes up and down, and that is why you meet regularly to discuss it, and how to mitigate it. I mean this is the main reason Gus decided to give up play-calling, was to focus on recruits and roster retention.
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I couldn’t think of any particular plays that drove me nuts either but, as mentioned above, I did not like our approach on substitutions, especially when the other team was clearly reeling.
Gatewood was without a doubt the worst for me as well. No defense ever thought he would throw a pass so it was pretty clear what we were going to run. The one pass I remember him trying to throw was laughable. From my limited football knowledge, I didn't even see him as an effective runner. I also am not fond of tricky tricky plays (pass or handoff, thowback and then either pass or run), particularly when they are unnecessary. And since so many times defenses were in our backfield those kinds of things drove me crazy. Don't usually like trick plays when I only need a yard. I am also a believer in taking points when they are available. There were a few time I wish he would have taken the field goal instead of going for it. Had we taken those points there were games we could have won. There are other times I just don't know why he calls the play he did. But you know, when the play he calls works, we usually think "wow, what an offensive genious." Sadly, when they don't we're calling for his job. I think if he embraces the CEO role he will be good for us. Not sure about the Hinshaw hire. If he can deliver on what he said in his interviews we will be fine.
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