Redemption...

[KnightVision82]

In my older age I have come to take hold of redemption stories with much joy.

If Scott Frost wants to come back why not have arms wide open?

He came back to coach our team in the bowl game that led to our 13-0 season.
He had all the tangibles come together here and a lot of interest from the recruits.

Why not again? At least it would get us back to the offense we had our greatest
success with. We would definitely need a good DC to go with this hire. I believe
that he has more wisdom at this point through his struggles after leaving.

 

[Central Floridave]

An article from this spring says he wants to get back into the arena.

It would create a buzz for sure. I already see some hate the pick. But, for me, I liked Scott Frost.

Can lightning strike twice? The odds are low, but I once saw a palm tree on the beach get striked twice in the same thunder storm awhile back.

If Frost did come back does that mean we gotta deal with all those husker trolls again, this time they will be like the previous Auburn trolls we dealt with. Disgruntled and angry and had a bone to pick with our current coach.

No pick is going to please everyone, no doubt, but I'd welcome him back.

They need to announce something soon. Get the media attention back to UCF as currently no one is reporting on the knights right now.

 

[HammerB08]

Incentive-laden deal with low buyout. Not having to pay Gus to leave and not having to pay a school a buyout to get the new coach would in theory leave a lot of money leftover to hire the best possible assistant coaches and also bolster NIL coffers. It's worth looking into this idea and seeing where he is with life in an interview and background check for the above reasons, but I'm not convinced he's the best candidate for us now.

 

[Guinness_Knight]

My thoughts on Frost are pretty simple: His time here was perfect and almost guaranteed not to be matched. That’s the main reason I’d shy away from him. Other than that, I wouldn’t mind him as an option.

 

[Willie Knightime]

In my older age I have come to take hold of redemption stories with much joy.

If Scott Frost wants to come back why not have arms wide open?

He came back to coach our team in the bowl game that led to our 13-0 season.
He had all the tangibles come together here and a lot of interest from the recruits.

Why not again? At least it would get us back to the offense we had our greatest
success with. We would definitely need a good DC to go with this hire. I believe
that he has more wisdom at this point through his struggles after leaving.

Man I just posted a reply very similar to this in another thread. There's definitely something in the air and I'm hoping our AD is smelling and feeling it.

 

[Shark19]

A wise man once said "you are only as good as your last job". There are MANY good reasons he hasn't had a sniff at a HC job in almost 3 seasons, He hasn't completed a redemption path.....WHY would you trust OUR program to the guy just based on memories that stopped 7 years ago.

If he REALLY wanted to be a HC, he could have secured a G5 job and showed people he has redeemed himself. Remember, it wasn't that he didn't recruit well or made mistakes during games, his failure went much deeper than that. Even a guy from Neb posted last night it would be a mistake. WE CAN'T AFFORD ANOTHER MISTAKE AT THIS TIME. Let him complete his redemption arc somewhere else.

 

[Shark19]

Incentive-laden deal with low buyout. Not having to pay Gus to leave and not having to pay a school a buyout to get the new coach would in theory leave a lot of money leftover to hire the best possible assistant coaches and also bolster NIL coffers. It's worth looking into this idea and seeing where he is with life in an interview and background check for the above reasons, but I'm not convinced he's the best candidate for us now.

The next 5 years will change college football completely with the advent of the Super League, Project Rudy, private equity, etc....

If we want in at the highest possible level, we can't afford a hiring mistake, we don't have time for reclamation projects......THAT is why hiring a current HC with a track record and knows the CURRENT landscape is so important.

 

[Colonel Mortimer]

Incentive-laden deal with low buyout. Not having to pay Gus to leave and not having to pay a school a buyout to get the new coach would in theory leave a lot of money leftover to hire the best possible assistant coaches and also bolster NIL coffers. It's worth looking into this idea and seeing where he is with life in an interview and background check for the above reasons, but I'm not convinced he's the best candidate for us now.

Agreed, if you can't get Sumrall or one of the top Coordinators from the Big 10 or SEC, Frost on a low cost deal with low buyout might not be the worst scenario, to see if lightning could strike twice. I think you would be able to know quickly if it's not going to work out with Frost and you can move on. You have to think he would be super-motivated to restore his name, and there may be something to the combination of "this place" and Frost.

 

[Gwoz]

It's a cheap gamble, but its a gamble that will also cloud peoples judgment as they associate him with 2017. It kind of comes off as the program being desperate and unable to attract top coaching talent.

 

[Willie Knightime]

The next 5 years will change college football completely with the advent of the Super League, Project Rudy, private equity, etc....

If we want in at the highest possible level, we can't afford a hiring mistake, we don't have time for reclamation projects......THAT is why hiring a current HC with a track record and knows the CURRENT landscape is so important.

So ignore his UCF track record? Ignore how much he knows the UCF landscape, reinvented it, and took it to new heights?

 

[Shark19]

Agreed, if you can't get Sumrall or one of the top Coordinators from the Big 10 or SEC, Frost on a low cost deal with low buyout might not be the worst scenario, to see if lightning could strike twice. I think you would be able to know quickly if it's not going to work out with Frost and you can move on. You have to think he would be super-motivated to restore his name, and there may be something to the combination of "this place" and Frost.

I would add Chadwell and Odom to Sumrall (my top choice but reading the NC job is close to a done deal). But if we can't get one of those 3 HCs or one of the top 2 coordinators, our job isn't the value we all thought it was.

 

[Shark19]

So ignore his UCF track record? Ignore how much he knows the UCF landscape, reinvented it, and took it to new heights?

That was a LONG TIME AGO in terms of the current landscape. Yes, remember the coach he WAS fondly.....we can't afford to live in the past (like a community college in Tampa does) with things moving so quickly.

 

[beelit47]

Im in the camp that if frost wants to interview, he has earned that much.

Scott has good relationships with hs coaches and kids have seen what his team did in 2017. Whats his vision in 2025 and beyond? There may be better candidates or maybe frost on a low cost/low buyout deal is good for the next 2-3 years to get our program back on track.

I also think his nebraska record is more indicative of nebraska and not his. He wasnt getting the same speed to Lincoln that was needed to make his offense hum

 

[Willie Knightime]

That was a LONG TIME AGO in terms of the current landscape. Yes, remember the coach he WAS fondly.....we can't afford to live in the past (like a community college in Tampa does) with things moving so quickly.

It wasn't a long time ago at all. Not even in the current landscape. Scott Frost transformed our program. From the way we play to the way we look. Perfect fit and still is. Our players, and students, have never loved a coach more. He's still young and has a chance to reinvent himself and grow with our young fanbase.

I'm interested in Tulane's coach just like everybody else but there's no way in hell I'd pick him over Scott Frost. Who has already proven what he can do in Orlando.

 

[Retnuhrace]

He and McKenzie are the reasons why we are in this position as a member of the big 12. The 2017 season came at the perfect time, reshaping the the public perception of the program. We are forever indebted to him for this.

However, it would be a mistake to bring him back. #1, he was a massive failure with a P5 program. He showed that his system was not going to be successful for the long term at a major program. #2, the landscape has changed so much since he was a coach. He’s going to have to play catch up with the NIL stuff. He hasn’t even been at any program at all to learn the ins and outs of this.

With that said, I think he would really risk tarnishing his legacy here if he came back. So much has changed that he would really be starting from behind.

 

[muckdawg24]

I agree, NIL wasn't big when he was here and he hasn't been in the game for a while. Being in the B12 we can't afford too much of a "gamble" hire.

 

[Poolside Knight]

I said at the start of this that I was would have him third on the list. And to be honest I prefer Frost over Chadwell.

The coaching market is thin this cycle and there are only so many Urban Meyers that are good everywhere. Sometimes it really is about fit. His final season here I said constantly on this board that going to Nebraska was a mistake and it was rumored the Gators spoke to him and he turned them down. If he takes that job maybe he never fails but I am glad he did say No to them. He loved UCF and didn’t seem very interested in other Florida schools.

 

[Jester02]

I mean, it sounds nice, but if you followed his tenure in Nebraska there were a lot of concerning things. Can't remember how verified the stories were but stuff about a drinking problem bad enough that he basically declined to meet an important recruit because he was wasted. Also he got surly with the media and would throw players under the bus, mock them for wearing hoodies.

Some of the issues could just be the hometown hero pressure, but I agree with the person who said he could've spent time coaching in G5 and hiring him after so much idle time doesn't seem wise.

 

[Poolside Knight]

There are a lot of risks but UCF fans on X shouldn’t mock when former players speak up for him and say they want him hired. They were in the locker room with him, they know better than us.

 

[KnightVision82]

Here's another factor about Frost over others...

He could bring back McKenzie and Shaquem onto the coaching staff in a heartbeat.
Both of them would have pathways to being successful coaches which we should totally support.

This would infuse the fan base, the roster and the recruits with a needed boast for this program.
Hope would immediately be restored. Having some UCF faces on the staff would be nice after
the Huepel and Gus years. It seems like the history of UCF was stunted after he left.

The Big 12 would be a better fit for the Frost scheme than the Big 10 or SEC for that matter.
Could Frost do better back at UCF than others? I say yes. The greatest training tool in life
is failure. Frost has been humbled and he has a great offensive mind. He needs a good DC
to go along with him coming back though to be successful. Hopefully, not his previous DC.
A.D. if he signs him should make that a strong suggestion.

 

[Poolside Knight]

and picking McVay’s brain for a few months isn’t a bad thing either

 

[Poolside Knight]

Here's another factor about Frost over others...

He could bring back McKenzie and Shaquem onto the coaching staff in a heartbeat.
Both of them would have pathways to being successful coaches which we should totally support.

This would infuse the fan base, the roster and the recruits with a needed boast for this program.
Hope would immediately be restored. Having some UCF faces on the staff would be nice after
the Huepel and Gus years. It seems like the history of UCF was stunted after he left.

The Big 12 would be a better fit for the Frost scheme than the Big 10 or SEC for that matter.
Could Frost do better back at UCF than others? I say yes. The greatest training tool in life
is failure. Frost has been humbled and he has a great offensive mind. He needs a good DC
to go along with him coming back though to be successful. Hopefully, not his previous DC.
A.D. if he signs him should make that a strong suggestion.

Halzle getting hired probably would have McKenzie on staff too

 

[jtGoldenKnights]

Im in the camp that if frost wants to interview, he has earned that much.

Scott has good relationships with hs coaches and kids have seen what his team did in 2017. Whats his vision in 2025 and beyond? There may be better candidates or maybe frost on a low cost/low buyout deal is good for the next 2-3 years to get our program back on track.

I also think his nebraska record is more indicative of nebraska and not his. He wasnt getting the same speed to Lincoln that was needed to make his offense hum

Nebraska hasn't been good in 10+ years its the school. Even Rhule is having a hard time going 5-7 & 6-6.

 

[jtGoldenKnights]

I agree, NIL wasn't big when he was here and he hasn't been in the game for a while. Being in the B12 we can't afford too much of a "gamble" hire.

Agree but he was in the NFL as a player and currently is working in the NFL so he knows all about contract deals.

 

[Shark19]

There are a lot of risks but UCF fans on X shouldn’t mock when former players speak up for him and say they want him hired. They were in the locker room with him, they know better than us.

They knew Frost circa 2017, certainly not Frost 2024. Alot has happened to him since then.

 

[Retnuhrace]

People also seem to forget that the defense under Chins was NOT good for a lot of the season, particularly at the end. Remember all the points given up against USF, Memphis, etc. And it seems pretty unlikely that we will find a generational pass rusher in Shaquem to bail us out

 

[Shark19]

Here's another factor about Frost over others...

He could bring back McKenzie and Shaquem onto the coaching staff in a heartbeat.
Both of them would have pathways to being successful coaches which we should totally support.

This would infuse the fan base, the roster and the recruits with a needed boast for this program.
Hope would immediately be restored. Having some UCF faces on the staff would be nice after
the Huepel and Gus years. It seems like the history of UCF was stunted after he left.

The Big 12 would be a better fit for the Frost scheme than the Big 10 or SEC for that matter.
Could Frost do better back at UCF than others? I say yes. The greatest training tool in life
is failure. Frost has been humbled and he has a great offensive mind. He needs a good DC
to go along with him coming back though to be successful. Hopefully, not his previous DC.
A.D. if he signs him should make that a strong suggestion.

A common falacy thinking great alumni players always make great coaches.....

 

[Shark19]

Nebraska hasn't been good in 10+ years its the school. Even Rhule is having a hard time going 5-7 & 6-6.

He had/has alot of rebuilding work to do after Frost destroyed the program.

 

[Shark19]

People also seem to forget that the defense under Chins was NOT good for a lot of the season, particularly at the end. Remember all the points given up against USF, Memphis, etc. And it seems pretty unlikely that we will find a generational pass rusher in Shaquem to bail us out

Yeah, too many people are looking at this with rose colored glasses.....

 

[Bring Back Wackadoos]

What’s strange to me is that so many people are dismissing what Frost did because it was in the last (and they don’t believe it can be done again).

But we’re okay with Kinne and Chadwell, who have very little connection to this state and have never been a head coach in FL before? No one knows what the future holds, but I don’t see the clear evidence that those guys have any more of a chance of success than Frost did.

Do you remember how bad our program was in 2015? Do you remember how quickly he re-engerized fans, tickets, interest, HS interest, etc. For me, no reason that can’t be replicated. And yes, the B12 is not the AAC. But c’mon, it’s not the AAC either. You don’t think Frost can figure out NIL/new era of CFB? Based off of what?

I’m not nostalgic, but I’m also not 100% convinced he’s not any worse than some other options out there. And I love the idea of a motivated Frost trying to build his brand back up as well.

I hate to admit this, but I’m kind of sold!?!?!? on the idea. Sumrall seems like a serious win-win as well, I think I like him the most for UCF. But I think I would also rather have Frost than Kinne/Chadwell.

 

[Poolside Knight]

What’s strange to me is that so many people are dismissing what Frost did because it was in the last (and they don’t believe it can be done again).

But we’re okay with Kinne and Chadwell, who have very little connection to this state and have never been a head coach in FL before? No one knows what the future holds, but I don’t see the clear evidence that those guys have any more of a chance of success than Frost did.

Do you remember how bad our program was in 2015? Do you remember how quickly he re-engerized fans, tickets, interest, HS interest, etc. For me, no reason that can’t be replicated. And yes, the B12 is not the AAC. But c’mon, it’s not the AAC either. You don’t think Frost can figure out NIL/new era of CFB? Based off of what?

I’m not nostalgic, but I’m also not 100% convinced he’s not any worse than some other options out there. And I love the idea of a motivated Frost trying to build his brand back up as well.

I hate to admit this, but I’m kind of sold!?!?!? on the idea. Sumrall seems like a serious win-win as well, I think I like him the most for UCF. But I think I would also rather have Frost than Kinne/Chadwell.

Sumrall is my top pick but even he is a risk. Frost went undefeated in the American

 

[HammerB08]

Either way, we all want to be a fly on the wall in this interview. What questions would you ask him?

 

[Terrorizzertz]

Im ok with Frost coming back everyone wondering why he hasnt coached the last few years maybe he was working on redemption in his personnal life and put football on back burner.
Maybe coming back here would be be his redemption for his football coaching career. If he was to come back doubt he would be quick to leave. Really can't blame the guy trying to get his Alma Mater back on track anyone in same shoes with opportunity would so same thing.

 

[Shark19]

What’s strange to me is that so many people are dismissing what Frost did because it was in the last (and they don’t believe it can be done again).

But we’re okay with Kinne and Chadwell, who have very little connection to this state and have never been a head coach in FL before? No one knows what the future holds, but I don’t see the clear evidence that those guys have any more of a chance of success than Frost did.

Do you remember how bad our program was in 2015? Do you remember how quickly he re-engerized fans, tickets, interest, HS interest, etc. For me, no reason that can’t be replicated. And yes, the B12 is not the AAC. But c’mon, it’s not the AAC either. You don’t think Frost can figure out NIL/new era of CFB? Based off of what?

I’m not nostalgic, but I’m also not 100% convinced he’s not any worse than some other options out there. And I love the idea of a motivated Frost trying to build his brand back up as well.

I hate to admit this, but I’m kind of sold!?!?!? on the idea. Sumrall seems like a serious win-win as well, I think I like him the most for UCF. But I think I would also rather have Frost than Kinne/Chadwell.

I'm not OK on Kinne or Frost.....

If you would insist on HCs with Florida experience, you better call Herman, Golesh, or Mullen.......Yikes

Frost has not redeemed himself at the HC level.....in several ways he is WAY more risky than any person we are discussing.

 

[Shark19]

Sumrall is my top pick but even he is a risk. Frost went undefeated in the American

So did Heupel, but we couldn't wait to get rid of him....

Sumrall has WAY less risk than Frost at this point

 

[Shark19]

Maybe coming back here would be be his redemption for his football coaching career.

And maybe not.....why should we take the risk being that program? Let a G5 school be his redemption arc.

 

[Jester02]

Funny, this article just showed up on my FB memories: https://www.wesh.com/article/pats-2...6t8B61LBRA3TPPko-g_aem_qStl9AtdpGXeTUhW7DWMJQ

 

[80'sKnight]

Would be nice to retain Sean Beckton who supposedly has good/great ties to Fl. schools. Frost would guarantee that. Also, you can whine about retread Frost, who had great experience at UCF, and seem to forget the plethora of young impressive G5 coaches or OCs that got hired in P5/4 areas and failed. So, would you rather take a guess on a young up and coming risky move or a risky ex-UCF HC that was successful? If you think we don't have time for redemption, why are you forgetting we don't have time for a Norvell? Same domn thing.

 

[Poolside Knight]

So did Heupel, but we couldn't wait to get rid of him....

Sumrall has WAY less risk than Frost at this point

Heupel went undefeated with Scott Frost recruited players

 

[HartfordWhalersFan]

I would offer Scott Frost a 6 year contract. 3 million a year. Offer Scott a 500 thousand signing bonus. 2 million dollar buyout. I believe that would get a deal done. Jamey Chadwell and Jon Sumrall are each going to want at least 5 million per year and at least a 15 million dollar buyout.