Republicans in Michigan have Blocked Certification in a County Biden needs to Win.

[ElprofesorJuan]

Republicans Certify Election Results In Key Michigan County After Initial Rejection

The approval was lauded by Democratic state officials, including Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI) and Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel.

www.forbes.com

With this County Blocked Biden cannot win Michigan. no more Games .This Weakens Future Voting.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

The Board just Voted 4 to 0 to certify the County... Good its what should have already happened.

 

[Crazyhole]

 

[Crazyhole]

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Democrats must be proud. Threatening election officials families is pretty high class.

 

[Crazyhole]

Michigan Democrat Doxxes Children Of Wayne County Election Official

Michigan State Representative-elect berated and doxxed the chairwoman of the Wayne County Board of Canvassers on a public Zoom meeting.

thefederalist.com

 

[_glaciers]

they literally went unhinged, posting their home addresses and phone numbers.

yknow, for the group that pretends to be against fascist behavior, yall sure like to try and forcibly oppress people you disagree with.

wrong side of history

 

[Crazyhole]

Was just listening to a discussion about this, and the issue is that in Detroit proper, there were 173,000 absentee ballots casts among zero registered voters according to their own voter roles. For voting day ballots, Detroit had about a 16% voter turnout among registered voters and surrounding areas that are right leaning had around 82%. Only the absentee ballots in Detroit have no record of registered voters among dozens of precincts. Pretty weird stuff.

 

[Boosted87]

Was just listening to a discussion about this, and the issue is that in Detroit proper, there were 173,000 absentee ballots casts among zero registered voters according to their own voter roles. For voting day ballots, Detroit had about a 16% voter turnout among registered voters and surrounding areas that are right leaning had around 82%. Only the absentee ballots in Detroit have no record of registered voters among dozens of precincts. Pretty weird stuff.

Do you have a credible source that lays this out? What you said here makes no sense to me. Turnout in Detroit was 50% overall and not that far off 2016. I have no idea what "173,000 absentee ballots cast among zero registered voters" even means.

 

[Boosted87]

This seems normal.

 

[Cubs79]

Do you have a credible source that lays this out? What you said here makes no sense to me. Turnout in Detroit was 50% overall and not that far off 2016. I have no idea what "173,000 absentee ballots cast among zero registered voters" even means.

I am confused to what is he saying too. Are they saying 173,000 random people decided to send in absentee ballots in the same county, despite none of them being registered to vote? How would they have gotten the ballots in the first place if they weren't registered?

 

[Boosted87]

Oh look more normalcy. Wonder what on earth this could be about? Perhaps convincing them to overthrow democratically determined results and declare him empero... I mean president?

 

[Cubs79]

Oh look more normalcy. Wonder what on earth this could be about? Perhaps convincing them to overthrow democratically determined results and declare him empero... I mean president?

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It is amazing what the Republican party has turned into. Do they not realize they are trying to undo the entire foundation in which this country was founded on?

 

[Crazyhole]

Do you have a credible source that lays this out? What you said here makes no sense to me. Turnout in Detroit was 50% overall and not that far off 2016. I have no idea what "173,000 absentee ballots cast among zero registered voters" even means.

Go to 20 minutes in. It takes probably 10 minutes before he starts going over the Detroit area reported numbers and he shares their voter role reporting. No idea if there is any fraud, but its kind of hard to prove one way or another with the way their numbers read.

 

[Cubs79]

Go to 20 minutes in. It takes probably 10 minutes before he starts going over the Detroit area reported numbers and he shares their voter role reporting. No idea if there is any fraud, but its kind of hard to prove one way or another with the way their numbers read.

If you (they) cant prove there is fraud then we cant assume there is, and we should operate as we would in a normal, functioning Republic, instead of being on the verge of creating a constitutional crisis for no other reason than to feed one guy's fragile ego.

 

[Boosted87]

It is amazing what the Republican party has turned into. Do they not realize they are trying to undo the entire foundation in which this country was founded on?

What you have to remember is that - thanks to radical messaging - the right is deeply convinced that the left is destroying the country. Once you believe that, you can rationalize anything to stop it because in your mind, you're saving the foundation - not destroying it. I give the founders more and more credit as each day passes. They recognized how dangerous demagogues were and made herculean efforts to demagogue-proof our system.

That said, I do not believe the Right is fully prepared for what happens if this effort gets to the point where this seems plausible. There's lots of anxious energy right now, but I think the scale of protesting that could erupt will make the BLM summer protests look like amateur hour. And if Trump sees a light at the end of the tunnel, he'll employ any tactic he can to see it through.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

What you have to remember is that - thanks to radical messaging - the right is deeply convinced that the left is destroying the country. Once you believe that, you can rationalize anything to stop it because in your mind, you're saving the foundation - not destroying it. I give the founders more and more credit as each day passes. They recognized how dangerous demagogues were and made herculean efforts to demagogue-proof our system.

That said, I do not believe the Right is fully prepared for what happens if this effort gets to the point where this seems plausible. There's lots of anxious energy right now, but I think the scale of protesting that could erupt will make the BLM summer protests look like amateur hour. And if Trump sees a light at the end of the tunnel, he'll employ any tactic he can to see it through.

I agree with you totally. Its why By Trump doing this its lighting a fire and thete is brush every where. If anything were to change any results in this Election .I don't even want to think what would happen. Its why this cannot continue. I am all for fair Election. This is energizing those against Trump and will lead to fall out with those who voted for him.

 

[spacecoastknight]

The Board just Voted 4 to 0 to certify the County... Good its what should have already happened.

GOOD? Threatening people by calling them Racist? Leftists are total scum.

 

[spacecoastknight]

It is amazing what the Republican party has turned into. Do they not realize they are trying to undo the entire foundation in which this country was founded on?

LMAO GTFO.......liberals spent the past 4 years trying a coup de'tat on a sitting President with fake Russian collusion.

You people are hypocrites and totally sick.

 

[spacecoastknight]

I agree with you totally. Its why By Trump doing this its lighting a fire and thete is brush every where. If anything were to change any results in this Election .I don't even want to think what would happen. Its why this cannot continue. I am all for fair Election. This is energizing those against Trump and will lead to fall out with those who voted for him.

You know what will happen......Liberals in 6 swing states STOPPED counting fake mail in ballots in the middle of the night where Trump was winning and all of a sudden Biden overcame 500k deficits to win.

You have no idea what's happening. Trump won in a landslide.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

GOOD? Threatening people by calling them Racist? Leftists are total scum.

Because maybe Detroit is all black and guess which city was Blocked...While other areas with White voters with even more irregularities were certified. To me that doesn't make sense.

 

[Crazyhole]

Because maybe Detroit is all black and guess which city was Blocked...While other areas with White voters with even more irregularities were certified. To me that doesn't make sense.

Racism? Seriously? Is that why they didn't verify ballots with registered voter rolls?

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

You know what will happen......Liberals in 6 swing states STOPPED counting fake mail in ballots in the middle of the night where Trump was winning and all of a sudden Biden overcame 500k deficits to win.

You have no idea what's happening. Trump won in a landslide.

You do know Mail in votes cannot be countered in certain areas till after the Election day ends...Its easy let me explain, Day votes come in... Mostly Trump voters....Mail in votes come in .. Mostly Biden.... Because Biden asked his voters to vote through mail mostly. Nothing wrong with that...No voter Fraud proven yet....I am all ears if u have proof.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Racism? Seriously? Is that why they didn't verify ballots with registered voter rolls?

Show me proof..I will listen

 

[Crazyhole]

Show me proof..I will listen

Already did.

 

[ElprofesorJuan]

Already did.

No Fraud proven there ...Until Fraud is proven its a fair Election

 

[Cubs79]

What you have to remember is that - thanks to radical messaging - the right is deeply convinced that the left is destroying the country. Once you believe that, you can rationalize anything to stop it because in your mind, you're saving the foundation - not destroying it. I give the founders more and more credit as each day passes. They recognized how dangerous demagogues were and made herculean efforts to demagogue-proof our system.

That said, I do not believe the Right is fully prepared for what happens if this effort gets to the point where this seems plausible. There's lots of anxious energy right now, but I think the scale of protesting that could erupt will make the BLM summer protests look like amateur hour. And if Trump sees a light at the end of the tunnel, he'll employ any tactic he can to see it through.

If they successfully pull off a coup, which is what it will be, I think this country is on its way towards a collapse. I might take some time for it to happen, but there is no way this country survives if we essentially make elections meaningless and just start appointing people president.

 

[Crazyhole]

If they successfully pull off a coup, which is what it will be, I think this country is on its way towards a collapse. I might take some time for it to happen, but there is no way this country survives if we essentially make elections meaningless and just start appointing people president.

If they were to prove voter fraud and it changed the election, would that be a coup?

 

[Cubs79]

LMAO GTFO.......liberals spent the past 4 years trying a coup de'tat on a sitting President with fake Russian collusion.

You people are hypocrites and totally sick.

Absolutely false. They investigated things that had actual evidence to warrant in investigation, and numerous people committed guilty to various crimes through the entire investigation.

 

[Cubs79]

If they were to prove voter fraud and it changed the election, would that be a coup?

No, but they arent remotely proving voter fraud. Either prove it or let's get on with the peaceful transfer of power. Is it too much to ask that you guys prove your claims?

 

[Crazyhole]

No, but they arent remotely proving voter fraud. Either prove it or let's get on with the peaceful transfer of power. Is it too much to ask that you guys prove your claims?

Prove that Trump isn't going to peacefully transfer power. Is he spying on Biden or something?

 

[Boosted87]

If they were to prove voter fraud and it changed the election, would that be a coup?

There is absolutely no window here to prove voter fraud on this scale. As a legal matter, this would take years to work through. You're talking about the biggest conspiracy in the history of humanity, requiring the biggest investigation in human history to unwind.

There is ZERO path to Trump retaining the presidency by proving this in the next few weeks. None. The only path is undermining confidence to the point you can get legislatures to flip. If you pull that off, you no longer have to prove anything. If you lose, you never have to prove anything. There is no plan to ever prove any of this.

 

[Crazyhole]

There is absolutely no window here to prove voter fraud on this scale. As a legal matter, this would take years to work through. You're talking about the biggest conspiracy in the history of humanity, requiring the biggest investigation in human history to unwind.

There is ZERO path to Trump retaining the presidency by proving this in the next few weeks. None. The only path is undermining confidence to the point you can get legislatures to flip. If you pull that off, you no longer have to prove anything. If you lose, you never have to prove anything. There is no plan to ever prove any of this.

In the next few weeks, no there is no path to victory. But like LBJ winning his senate seat or JFK beating Nixon, history has shown that eventually the truth CAN come out on stolen elections. It would just be nice if we could figure out a way to avoid having it ever be in question.

 

[Cubs79]

Prove that Trump isn't going to peacefully transfer power. Is he spying on Biden or something?

Umm, because he is blocking the transition process. That isn't difficult to prove. Quit being so hell bent on getting the result you want, and actually acknowledge the information ( or lack of information) that is actually out there.

 

[Boosted87]

The press conference with Rudy and crew was nutso. Like Alex Jones levels of nutso. They are full-in on an international conspiracy involving communists, George Soros, and mysterious foreign servers.

But they won't provide any evidence. All their witnesses are too scared to speak publicly. And they can't bias a potential juror pool by sharing the evidence prior to court - apparently.

 

[Crazyhole]

Umm, because he is blocking the transition process. That isn't difficult to prove. Quit being so hell bent on getting the result you want, and actually acknowledge the information ( or lack of information) that is actually out there.

This is silly left wing talking points. Nothing is preventing Biden from putting together his transition team and we are 3 weeks away from him actually being the president elect so there is nothing Trump should do until then.

 

[Cubs79]

This is silly left wing talking points. Nothing is preventing Biden from putting together his transition team and we are 3 weeks away from him actually being the president elect so there is nothing Trump should do until then.

There is no left wing talking point about it, you just don't know what you are talking about and are more interested in entertaining conspiracy theories. The transition process starts in every transfer of power by this time, the only recent exception being Bush-Gore. What is going on now is not normal, it just isn't. YOu can defend it all you want to and right it off as left wing talking points all you want, but there is nothing normal about what is happening right now.

 

[Crazyhole]

There is no left wing talking point about it, you just don't know what you are talking about and are more interested in entertaining conspiracy theories. The transition process starts in every transfer of power by this time, the only recent exception being Bush-Gore. What is going on now is not normal, it just isn't. YOu can defend it all you want to and right it off as left wing talking points all you want, but there is nothing normal about what is happening right now.

There was nothing normal about what happened in 2016. You mad about that too?

 

[Boosted87]

This is silly left wing talking points. Nothing is preventing Biden from putting together his transition team and we are 3 weeks away from him actually being the president elect so there is nothing Trump should do until then.

There's a middle ground of working in good faith. Bush was getting intelligence briefings in the 2000 recount period. COVID is spiking.

If nothing else, Biden should be getting security briefings and his team should have access as it relates to COVID. That provides zero harm to Trump, and is in the best interest of the country. But in Trump's mind that would be admitting defeat. So again, ego trump's national security.

 

[Cubs79]

There was nothing normal about what happened in 2016. You mad about that too?

Huh? Hillary conceded the day after the election and the transition process began almost immediately.

 

[Crazyhole]

There's a middle ground of working in good faith. Bush was getting intelligence briefings in the 2000 recount period. COVID is spiking.

If nothing else, Biden should be getting security briefings and his team should have access as it relates to COVID. That provides zero harm to Trump, and is in the best interest of the country. But in Trump's mind that would be admitting defeat. So again, ego trump's national security.

Not sure I agree with security briefings, but yes Biden should be privy to everything covid related.